What shall we do to save the world?

[Sunnybayes]

Well, I think people generally want to do this, we've got some smart people in these forums, let's see if we can be creative.

First of all... lets think about what it would mean to save the world.
What would a saved world be like? What kinds of things would happen? How would people live?

[ZHereford]

Sunnybayes,

To be honest, to be able to be in a position to save the world or make any significant changes we must start with ourselves. We must be an example of that which we want to affect.

In the words of Socrates:

"To move the world, we must first move ourselves".

[Mark Lapierre]

Your questions ask the same thing as your thread about a perfect world. So to make it something different we'd first need to establish that the world requires saving. How is it in danger? Society heading towards collapse? Global warming? Obliteration by asteroid impact? Undefined end-of-the-world in 2012? There's a lot of scope there, each enough to be the focus of its own forum, let alone thread.

So ultimately I think that in the general sense we're already doing what we can. As ZHereford said, we must start with ourselves. And that's why we're here, right?

The specifics of what we can do are mentioned in all these other threads. *makes a grand sweeping gesture*

But the question is, are we doing enough?

[Love]

I'm not exactly sure what a perfect world would look like. The notion seems a little eerie to me. However, I would expect of one: manageable ways of dealing with anger and disagreements; respect for both the planet we live on and the people on it; daily food needs met for all people; space needs met for all people; a system that seeks to maximize use of "junk"; an efficient prison system (I guess we're not quite perfect at that point, but I do feel that prison should be effective in deterring crime and further delinquency), etc. Do this, I do feel, in part begins with the individual. Do my actions currently align with this vision? That's how I feel you start. To lead by example.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

Well, I think people generally want to do this, we've got some smart people in these forums, let's see if we can be creative.

First of all... lets think about what it would mean to save the world.
What would a saved world be like? What kinds of things would happen? How would people live?

~northerly swell~
~treading choppy waters~

How to save the world?

Change your perspective.

[Ree]

Sunnybayes, there is a quote from A Course In Miracles which gave me goosebumps when I first read it. Ever since my first reading, it comes back to me frequently and I think if the world could operate on this basis, it would be perfect.

The quote:

"The only thing that is real is love. Everything else is a cry for help."

[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by Love

I'm not exactly sure what a perfect world would look like. The notion seems a little eerie to me. However, I would expect of one: manageable ways of dealing with anger and disagreements; respect for both the planet we live on and the people on it; daily food needs met for all people; space needs met for all people; a system that seeks to maximize use of "junk"; an efficient prison system (I guess we're not quite perfect at that point, but I do feel that prison should be effective in deterring crime and further delinquency), etc. Do this, I do feel, in part begins with the individual. Do my actions currently align with this vision? That's how I feel you start. To lead by example.

Here's a thought, in a perfect world we would not need a prison system, so perhaps we should find ways that keep people away from the prison system in the first place.

I wonder what would be more efficient, sending someone to jail because of their bad behavior or to give them something to strive for, give them some goal that they could go for, something so inspiring to strive for that they'd see doing crime as not the best way as to reach that goal. I think often there's a goal to reach a certain amount of wealth and fame... I remember reading about why people want to become crack dealers, so that they can become rich drug lords, like the metaphor of going into the NBA everyone works hard to get in but only a few get in, but the reward for reaching it is tremendous. And so another idea comes is, once they've reach that level of popularity, are they actually happy that they thought that they would be? Celerities overdosing on crack cocaine might suggest that perhaps its not acquiring wealth and status that brings one happiness.

How about this question. What drives people to commit crimes in the first place? What causes a person to become so selfish that they consider only their system and not take into account the larger society system. I talk about what I mean by being selfish to a system in this thread: Sin is relative to your system.

Also, there is enough food on this planet to feed everyone. What forces are keeping the food to be distributed to everyone? OR maybe that's the problem right there. It is grown in one place and then expensive resources are required to ship them else where. Maybe the shift should be to have more food grown locally instead of everywhere else.

Then the question becomes, what's the force that keeps people from wanting to grow food locally? Well they're too busy doing things. Like watching TV, or being stuck sitting in traffic. But then again, maybe it is more efficient for the food to be grown fast in one place with machines and then be shipped... I guess it comes down to figuring out what is the most efficient thing to do.

And another thing to brainstorm

The notion seems a little eerie to me.

What is it about the idea of a perfect world that turns people off? Would it be that a perfect world would be just too boring or something?

Well just a few thoughts to consider.

[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by ZHereford

Sunnybayes,

To be honest, to be able to be in a position to save the world or make any significant changes we must start with ourselves. We must be an example of that which we want to affect.

In the words of Socrates:

"To move the world, we must first move ourselves".

Thanks ZHereford.
I think I am done working on myself. Now I want to figure out and be creative about how to make significant change.

yes, I agree ZHereford. Before you can contribute to society in a helpful way you've got to have your bare necessities like food and water and environment taken care of so that those resources can support you so that you can in turn help support society. I'm lucky because I was randomly born into the United States, and lucky to have good parents to set me in the right direction. But if I were not lucky to have been born in the United States or anywhere else in the developed world and instead I was born in Africa in a poor country then I would not have time to sit by my laptop computer to think about my inner self. The only thing that I would be able to do would be to scrounge around for food and water. Since I'm lucky to have been born here and reach this level, I feel like I have some responsibility to help other people reach that point of being able to change themselves so that the can be happy to help others.

The reason that I am now able to be creative and type these two post is because I've refilled my social tank by going out and having fun the entire day yesterday... so having fun has actually led me to being able to get more work done, and that the only way I've realized that having fun is actually the right thing to do is because like you said, I've worked on my inner self to discover myself in the last 4 months. And another paradox, if I don't continue to work on finding my purpose then I'll in fact be sucked in to not having direction and for working for a company that is lead by a CEO that is only concerned with being happy in the wrong way, that the CEO think that perhaps if he made just a billion dollars more then he'd become a bit more happy... or perhaps I've gotten it totally wrong...

[ZHereford]

Well good for you Sunnybayes!

It does sound like you've been working on yourself and you obviously have a social conscience. As in Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, you need to achieve self-realization before you really feel the desire to help others.

I'm sure helping others can be achieved in a variety of ways depending on your talents and interests. Take this forum for example, Steve is helping a lot of people and doing it by expressing his talents and abilities. You can decide how best to put yours to good use.
Your heart is certainly in the right place and only good can come from it.
All the best to you!

[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre

Your questions ask the same thing as your thread about a perfect world. So to make it something different we'd first need to establish that the world requires saving. How is it in danger? Society heading towards collapse? Global warming? Obliteration by asteroid impact? Undefined end-of-the-world in 2012? There's a lot of scope there, each enough to be the focus of its own forum, let alone thread.

So ultimately I think that in the general sense we're already doing what we can. As ZHereford said, we must start with ourselves. And that's why we're here, right?

The specifics of what we can do are mentioned in all these other threads. *makes a grand sweeping gesture*

But the question is, are we doing enough?

Yea, I know its pretty silly of me to brainstorm this in a thread, but I just want to see and find out what the whole point of personal development is.

You've got to have a reason to do anything or there is no need to improve, its just enough to be unconscious and let your habits to keep you living like a zombie.

Steve's purpose is to help people grow. Well grow to do what? To be more enlightened? To be happy?

I mean, I am a physicists, I consider everything just as running the laws of physics, including our society on earth. And if you think about it, that kinda makes you depressed right? I mean what's the point if we are just simulations with a random number generator?

Yea, maybe if we kill ourselves off like bacteria in a petri dish because we don't conserve our resources or cause there to be a tipping point in climate, and we all die, then well that's cool, because I believe that it wont hurt to be dead, because I'd be as unconscious as a rock. I believe my soul is how people remember me.

I honestly enjoy living and hanging with friends, figuring stuff out, meeting people so I'd like my children to have a shot at it too.

I mean yes, I love life right now, but the way we are doing it now, perhaps it wont be sustainable so that we wont be able to enjoy living any longer. Or maybe its coming to a point with all our gadgets and huge isolated houses, we are being stressed out zombies.

Or maybe we are more happy being that way. Or maybe its just me being delusional and thinking that other people are not being happy.

Well my conclusion is that I enjoy living. Its a fun thing to do. Even if it is just because life came up randomly, its still a fun thing to do. I just went bungy jumping. If you are not living to enjoy life then what's the point to living?

If I get out of debt from college loans, and then just work as little as possible to have basics of food, and have fun with friends, then I'd be just as happy if I were a billionaire.

Society heading towards collapse? Global warming? Obliteration by asteroid impact? Undefined end-of-the-world in 2012?

So that's were some research comes into play. How happy are people right now? I don't know if people are or not. How stressed out are people? Are the leaders heading us into the right direction? How can I know if they are or not? What would the collapse of society actually mean?

Perhaps the world is doing fine on its own, but since I'm human I can't help but be curious about this. I must ask these kinds of questions or I wont know what direction to apply myself and I will no longer be able to be happy because I'd feel like I wont know what to do next, and if I don't have some grand goal then I'll always be feeling and worrying if the thing that I'm currently doing is the right thing to be doing.

What's the fastest or near optimal way to get where we are going?

Hehe. I suppose I'm turning into a hippie.

[Natsu]

First of all, we must raise people's state of consciousness. The world contains A LOT of angry, frustrated and desirefull people who don't know where they come from or where they can go. Knowing about the levels of consciousness raises your level of consciousness... So teaching as many people as we can is important.

I am working with the Spanish Pirate Party. I think that if I defend the freedom to use the web, all the more people will have access to all the info they need. That and having shorter showers.

But I basically think everything's up to the states of consciousness. Let's get everyone into willingness, and the world will change on its own. Best thing we can do is spread the word

[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by Natsu

But I basically think everything's up to the states of consciousness. Let's get everyone into willingness, and the world will change on its own. Best thing we can do is spread the word

Thanks for the input. So the question is, what's keeping the word from being spread? Is it already being spread and people don't listen or understand, or is it to hard? I mean, maybe its a hard thing because it seems like if you are worry about other things, it might keep you from caring.

So what is the level of willingness?

Apathy - Feeling hopeless or victimized. The state of learned helplessness. Many homeless people are stuck here.

Grief - A state of perpetual sadness and loss. You might drop down here after losing a loved one. Depression. Still higher than apathy, since you’re beginning to escape the numbness.

Fear - Seeing the world as dangerous and unsafe. Paranoia. Usually you’ll need help to rise above this level, or you’ll remain trapped for a long time, such as in an abusive relationship.

Desire - Not to be confused with setting and achieving goals, this is the level of addiction, craving, and lust — for money, approval, power, fame, etc. Consumerism. Materialism. This is the level of smoking and drinking and doing drugs.

Anger - the level of frustration, often from not having your desires met at the lower level. This level can spur you to action at higher levels, or it can keep you stuck in hatred. In an abusive relationship, you’ll often see an anger person coupled with a fear person.

Pride - The first level where you start to feel good, but it’s a false feeling. It’s dependent on external circumstances (money, prestige, etc), so it’s vulnerable. Pride can lead to nationalism, racism, and religious wars. Think Nazis. A state of irrational denial and defensiveness. Religious fundamentalism is also stuck at this level. You become so closely enmeshed in your beliefs that you see an attack on your beliefs as an attack on you.

Courage - The first level of true strength. I’ve made a previous post about this level: Courage is the Gateway. This is where you start to see life as challenging and exciting instead of overwhelming. You begin to have an inkling of interest in personal growth, although at this level you’ll probably call it something else like skill-building, career advancement, education, etc. You start to see your future as an improvement upon your past, rather than a continuation of the same.

Neutrality - This level is epitomized by the phrase, “live and let live.” It’s flexible, relaxed, and unattached. Whatever happens, you roll with the punches. You don’t have anything to prove. You feel safe and get along well with other people. A lot of self-employed people are at this level. A very comfortable place. The level of complacency and laziness. You’re taking care of your needs, but you don’t push yourself too hard.

Willingness - Now that you’re basically safe and comfortable, you start using your energy more effectively. Just getting by isn’t good enough anymore. You begin caring about doing a good job — perhaps even your best. You think about time management and productivity and getting organized, things that weren’t so important to you at the level of neutrality. Think of this level as the development of willpower and self-discipline. These people are the “troopers” of society; they get things done well and don’t complain much. If you’re in school, then you’re a really good student; you take your studies seriously and put in the time to do a good job. This is the point where your consciousness becomes more organized and disciplined

[Sunnybayes]

I'd guess you'd have to get the stats of what people are at around the world. And you'd have to know how long it takes for people to reach each of the levels.

[infinitethoughts]

You guys still don't get it.

There is no the world.

Everything your experience comes from you, not the world.

[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

You guys still don't get it.

There is no the world.

Everything your experience comes from you, not the world.

Yup. I experience want to when I want to. I could be delusional and think everyone is as happy as I know how to be, but somehow I don't suspect that everyone else knows how or even knows that they can. So I'd like to figure out how to let people know and what the optimum way that would be. Would it be by me creating ai so that it could figure this out, or would it be me to do some organization, or to perhaps work with Steve himself, or what about if I tried to organize everyone together who actually cared. Or should I make lots of money somehow and then use that money to help? I don't know, Abraham Lincoln was able to save the Union by doing real leadership, he did not have to be rich to do that, he just needed a basic living.

You also bring up Subjective Reality.
here's my interpretation:

There are different degrees of systems. There is the universal system, down to the society system, down to my physical body system, down to my mind system, and then there is conciousness. My brain has to figure out the causes of the world. Once it does figure out the causes, then they exists in my mind as Invariant Representations. I could do it in reverse as well and imagine the world to be something else, so that by imagining a different world in my mind, then my subconcious mind comes up with new goals that would let me take action to then change the outside world. So yes, the universe is in my mind, and by changing my mind I change the universe, and that if I imagine it well enough then I'll be able to affect it well enough. Its called having a vision and being able to act because you have one.

Everything your experience comes from you,

yea I agree. I have the current experience of wanting to have the experience of knowing that other people know that that statement is true.

[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by Natsu

I am working with the Spanish Pirate Party. I think that if I defend the freedom to use the web, all the more people will have access to all the info they need. That and having shorter showers.

Hey, is there a link to the Spanish Pirate Party

I think that if I defend the freedom to use the web, all the more people will have access to all the info they need?

So I guess China would be off then because they don't have free restrained internet. Is is good or bad that China restricts and sensors the internet? What could be done to have China remove the censoring? What people could we influence? What would it take to influence those people What reasons would we give them to want to change this?

That and having shorter showers.

How do we know that people take long showers? If people do take long showers then what need is that filling? What could be done to motivate people to take shorter showers? What reasons could be giving to them for taking shorter showers? Why would there be resistance to the idea, how could it be overcome?

[Sunnybayes]

Just so people know what I'm doing with this thread, read Creativity is the Key to Personal Development.


specifically this part:

Doing Q&A's does multiple things:
1: taking action... you are coming up with the answers
2: making rough plans, because you are asking yourself how to be able to answer your own questions
3: having fun... you are exploring want you want, because you are the one who is asking the questions, not some stupid homework, or your boss, and your brain creates pleasure for figuring stuff out (like light bulb, chess, video games)
4: you are your own boss directing yourself
5: you become a leader in that area that you've chosen to figure out, because you understand that knowlege that you created better than anyone else
6: you remove fear of whatever you are figuring out, because fear is a just the fear of the unknown, and that by asking questions you force yourself to remove those fears
7: Creates motivation to answer your own questions. you have a created a rough plan. you know the reasons that you are working to answer your questions. Your own questions are automatically linked to your motivational hierarchy.
8: Avoids procrastination. It's easy to ask yourself questions. Procrastination is caused by analysis of paralysis due to fear. Being creative means removing fear.

have fun with me guys to help me figure this out.

[Sunnybayes]

So I apologize in advance that I'm going to totally swamp this little thread, but it'll show people what it actually means to be creative to make something happen. I'd usually do this in FreeMind or my journal.

Feel free to add anything, ask any questions...

So I did a Google search on "save the world"

And now the question becomes, did any of those websites/projects actually get anywhere? What results did they achieve? Why were they effective or ineffective?

[Natsu]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

You guys still don't get it.

There is no the world.

Everything your experience comes from you, not the world.

You guy still don't get it Our consciousnessess can't change the world because our beliefs include that to do so, we must help other 6 billion people into awareness or we must believe that other 6 billion people get their awareness. Which is what we're working about. If we could change the world into absolute perfection by clasping our fingers, that would be boring! I didn't came to play under termodinamics rule to do the easy way!

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

Thanks for the input. So the question is, what's keeping the word from being spread? Is it already being spread and people don't listen or understand, or is it to hard? I mean, maybe its a hard thing because it seems like if you are worry about other things, it might keep you from caring.

So what is the level of willingness?

The level of willingness is that one you've quoted, but, very important: when you are not dragged down by severe lackings in any of the previous ones. I spent all my childhood in a mixture of fear (with occasional guilt and shame), and reason. My higher was very high, true, but my low was so lo that I couldn't go ahead.

The word is not being spread, or at least not much, and not properly.

First: not everybody can read. Second, not everybody reads English. Third, not everybody has access to an internet connection. Many could access a library to get David. R. Hawkings' books, but then, only English-speakers, the book is not much known. See? There are a bazillion of holes in the distribution chain.

I have sent all my friends to Steve's page on the levels of consciousness. No one read it until I bothered in translating it. At least two people thanked me for bothering in doing the translation: I've helped two people to know themselves better. Imagine all the things that could be done if you only mentioned the levels of consciousness in high school...

The greatest thing of knowing about the levels of consciousness is that they help you know what you feel, so you can use your feelings to your advantage. I was such a doormat in school, that when I started getting angry, I thought I was going backwards and feeling worse. But then, I got to know that anger was a phase I had to endure. I channeled my anger into productive work (thinking "I'll show those bastards! I'll show them!!!"), and I was able to forgive and move ahead in time. Very little people know about the levels of consciousness and how important they are. If you think about it, the 2 million visitors of Steve Pavlina.com are less than a 1 per 1000 of the world's population. Steve gives for free, and still it's very little. We must spread the word MORE.

Now the how to is the difficult thing... Hmmm, I'm going to intend many people to read my translation of Steve's post about the LLCC, so the word will spread

Hey, as Gandhi said: what you can do is insignificant, but it's important that you do it.

[Natsu]

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

Hey, is there a link to the Spanish Pirate Party

There is, but I'd recommend you to visit the site of The Pirate Party of your own country. Among the more or less twenty Pirate Parties throughout the world, you probably will have one in your own country (unless you know Spanish and want to practice it):

The site of the International Movement:

PPI
And you can choose a Party with whom you can collaborate among the ones listed in the menu at your right. If you're still interested, the site of the Spanish Pirate Party is:
Partido Pirata Español - Portada

Everyone accepts ideas and collaboration from any person, so even if there is no PP in your country, you would still be welcome in forums and e-mail lists.

So I guess China would be off then because they don't have free restrained internet. Is is good or bad that China restricts and sensors the internet? What could be done to have China remove the censoring? What people could we influence? What would it take to influence those people What reasons would we give them to want to change this?

Difficult question, yet important... Any person with enough computer skills can dodge a firewall. Problem is not being caught. But freeing their connexion and tumbling the great firewall of China wouldn't be all. I don't think all 1.200 Chinese have an internet connection and fluent English. If we want to help them, we should start closing our markets to Chinese products made by almost-slaves. If Chinese are going to sell stuff to me, I don't want them to be slaves. It is logical that they start earning little money, but they shouldn't work more than 60 hours a week without rests on Sundays.

So, on the point you are mentioning, for example... We, as consumers of the first world, should force our governments to stop imports made by slaves or mistreated workers. If suddenly, all Chinese workers work half of their days with one free a week, instead of ten hours seven days a week, they themselves will look for something to do, learn or achieve in their spare time. They cannot raise their consciousness level much with work weeks between 60 and 80 hours.

That, not only applies to China. It also applies to the rest of the world. To teach people about the levels of consciousness, they must grasp abstract understanding. That requires fluent reading skills in most people. People don't go to school if they don't have anything to eat...

See? First, food and basic needs for everyone. Then some labor justice, so they have free time. And then, they will start jumping the Great Firewall on their own...

No one said it would be easy

[Dianida]

What shall we do to save the World? Make it a Perfect World?
No such thing as all of the replies have indicated - each and every one of us has ideas, dreams, ideals and 'arguments' about how to create such a place.
But that is IT.
As human beings we need to create, we need to strive and overcome challenge and continue our innate drive to survive. Once we have 'saved the world' and made it perfect - I guess we are 'finished' ! ? (My ex partner once told me I was 'perfect'............sorry, just a cynical parallel!) Cheers.

[Natsu]

In my opinion, saving the world would be giving people chances. For example, giving every child reading and writing skills, and a glimpse at their own potential. "This is what can be, kid. Now you're free and powerful to be great or to be a failure. There you go!" When someone does NOT have such opportunities, the unfairness of it is painful.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

Well, I think people generally want to do this, we've got some smart people in these forums, let's see if we can be creative.

First of all... lets think about what it would mean to save the world.
What would a saved world be like? What kinds of things would happen? How would people live?

Well, if you're asking "what it would mean to save the world", then your assumption is that the world is getting worst. Is that a correct assumption? Furthermore, how do you know for sure? I could point out to so many things that point that the world is getting better and better.

Furthermore, if believing that a situation is going to get worst, then, doesn't that very belief help make things even worst?

[The Wise Turtle]

Originally Posted by ZHereford

It does sound like you've been working on yourself and you obviously have a social conscience. As in Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, you need to achieve self-realization before you really feel the desire to help others.

I've gotten a lot of benefit from using Maslow's needs as a basis for my own health and the health of my world. I've found that the best way to help others is by helping them understand what they need and then helping them find ways to meet those needs in healthy and sustainable ways.

My simple philosophy for making a better world is:

1. Learn how to take good care of myself.
2. Try to live up to my standards for the kind of person I want to be.
3. Learn about the world and how it works.
4. Use my knowledge about how the world works to help others.

I try to focus on at least one thing from this list every day. I fugure that's going to add up to a lot of great stuff.

-Turtle
One Simple Thing

P.S. I do get it, the world is already perfect, and will continue to be perfect, and part of that perfection is me working to make it "better" :-)

[sassydarlyn]

To put it in the most simplest of terms and to quote all the greats in our history. We do live in a perfect world. All you need is to ask and believe. We were given a perfect world, your job to make it so again, start with you!

"Take the First Step in faith. You don't have to take the whole staircase. Just take the first Step." Martin Luther King

"All that we are is a result of what we have thought." Buddha

"Imagination is everything. It is the preview of everything." Albert Einstein

"What ever the mind ....can conceive, it can achieve." W. Clement Stone

[Love]

Wow, you know, at first I thought your response was a little confrontational for someone wanting a perfect world. After reading your other posts, I see that you are just asking questions to get to the root causes. I believe that you have already thought about all this and are now asking us to do so.
Anyway, here's what I think:

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

Here's a thought, in a perfect world we would not need a prison system

I agree. There are a lot of factors that go into creating crimes. One of the best deterrents, I think, is a positive, sustained relationship with a mentor.

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

Also, there is enough food on this planet to feed everyone.

I agree with this, too. Knowing how to make good, sustainable use of the land is part of it. Efficient access to resources like water, helps.

Originally Posted by Sunnybayess

What is it about the idea of a perfect world that turns people off? Would it be that a perfect world would be just too boring or something?

A perfect world is definitely something to work towards. The eerieness of it all is that it would be so completely different from the world today.

[Max Power]

We do not want a perfect world and we do not want a perfect anything, that is not the point of it all. Look at all the horror, pain and suffering, it is a requirment of the simulation, the physical reality. We can not and do not know love without hate, wealth without poverty and so on and so forth. The easiest way to ease suffering is to ease it within yourself, but you will never end it for the reality is dependent on it.

Consciousness is perfect, so it creates imperfection to experience the opposite of itself, to solve all the problems of creation would make the reality pointless and it would end or be ended.

Peace and love are wonderful emotions, feelings and thoughts, but they could not exist without their opposites. As hard as it is to fathom, we require all the pain and suffering, it's a prerequisite

[escapee]

Peace and love are wonderful emotions, feelings and thoughts, but they could not exist without their opposites. As hard as it is to fathom, we require all the pain and suffering, it's a prerequisite

I think the opposite of love(biological) is hatred. Peace is sort of at the middle. The "unintelligent species" like plants have always been living in peace for trillion years without feeling two opposite polarities.

When all of us become vegan monks , there would be total peace (joke)

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by escapee

I think the opposite of love(biological) is hatred. Peace is sort of at the middle. The "unintelligent species" like plants have always been living in peace for trillion years without feeling two opposite polarities.

When all of us become vegan monks , there would be total peace (joke)

No, there will never be peace. Monks live in the same world, trying to deny the pain, while living in a mountain top trying to escape it.

Denial are they

Plants living in peace not knowing of polarity, the stevepavlina.com invented word for a nonexistent process? I wonder if the plants get a cut of the revenue?

[Lallymac]

The only thing the world needs saving from is us.
What's that song; 'First you save yourself, then you save the world.'
If we all got ourselves sorted, we wouldn't need to save the world.
Lallymac