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I dont feel peaceful debating about the subject of peace at all .. Last edited by escapee; 06-10-2007 at 12:47 PM. |
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That uncertainty is why I've decided to see reality (including the universe, our world, and me, too!) is already perfect, and that the only real suffering comes when I try to fight with reality (reality always wins, ya know?). And my reality right now is learning about the world, and sharing that knowledge with others, and acting in ways that I believe are healthy for me and everyone else. And that's just perfect, as far as I can tell. -Turtle Last edited by The Wise Turtle; 06-10-2007 at 02:39 PM. |
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What are you? You are the process living in peace that knows about polarity, AND it's your conscious choice with side of this polarity you'll choose................. always and continual. This realization, is ultimate peace. |
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There is little need to consider the meaning of perfection or the idea of a perfect world. The word itself is almost undefinable, and no two people will agree to every detail on what a "perfect" utopia will look like. What we can consider, however, is how to make a better world: to choose the best of all available futures. If you wish to do this, as I do, then you need to start with some basic questions. What is? (that is, what is the current state of everything? what is going on it the world right now?) How did it happen? (how did what we have come from what existed before? how did the past lead to the present?) What should be? (what is the best of all possible futures? what sort of world do we want to create?) How do we get there? (how can we use the lessons we have learned from the past, combined with our knowledge in the present, to effect change and bring about the future we seek?) In context of changing the world, the answers to these questions will take tremendous knowledge and wisdom; both from individuals and from the groups that seek to act in this direction. Consider what has been before and you will see that in order to set the world on the path to the best possible future, you will need great persuasive powers, great knowledge, and great wisdom. So how do you save the world? By dedicating yourself to that path, and seeking to learn all you can about the way things are, the way things have been, and the way things should be. Dedicate yourself to learning the skills you will need. Study history and politics, spirituality and science, literature and philosophy. Also keep in mind that none of these things can be learned in a vacuum; you need experience as well as book knowledge. Study what you can and go out into the world to gain experience. In the process you should begin to create a framework for your chosen path. If you will need wealth to transform the world, gather wealth. If you will need respect and prestige, earn it. If you need followers, recruit them. Along the way you will meet others with the same goals. Join up with them and create a shared vision. (Overused as that term is, it is still important to have one when working for a common goal.) It is also important not to allow one's ego to get in the way; I have struggled with this myself. And all the while, remember to be your best self; to be, as Ghandi said, the change you want to see in the world. It will not be easy. But nothing worthwhile is. Last edited by Ascendant; 06-12-2007 at 09:13 PM. |
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I think the only thing that could change the world would be a global shift in consciousness. We live in a fear-based world. At some level, everyone is afraid of something. If we shifted our consciousness from fear, to love, the entire world would be a different place. Unfortunately telling everyone to love each other won't work. It's going to take some dramatic changes in our way of life for humanity to wake up, unite, and love each other. Until then, lets enjoy the world we have now, and try to make it better by the day because that's all we really can do.........
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Well, the things I want most for myself are also the things I want most for the world: freedom, connection, joy, peace, and love. And I can see where the obstacles to generating those things are the same for me and for the world: laziness, wanting to be right, unconsciousness, wanting to avoid pain. So I guess if I'm going to approach your question on my little micro-level, then I have to take responsibility for those obstacles in my own life, and look toward dismantling them as if the world depended on it. Okay, I'll take that on. {as fear immediately strikes! |
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The ISA Upanishad All is perfect, so perfectly perfect! Whatever being lives, moves And breathes on Earth At every level from Atom To galaxy is absolutely perfect in its place Precise and choreographed, Because "That" flows from the glory of God, The Lord, The Self, Consciousness, The Source, Awareness, Peace and Love, And is therefore Perfect. When you have surrendered your ego To "That" You will find true happiness. Never ever envy the place of Any other man or woman. Quote:
I am. I. I believe you are relating to the body and/or the mind, which you are not. I am not the body , not the mind. Therefore, everything is perfectly perfect. There is only one choice, the choice to accept we are not the body, not the mind, the choice of I AM. Quote:
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Wow this thread is a excellent example of going off track. The original question was 'how can we save the world' and here we are discussion whether the world needs to be saved, reality and various belief systems. In essence we have digressed the discussion into something that well can't be resolved, after all some belief in subjective reality, others in objective reality, others in positive thinking, others in .... well you get the point. A better question to ask that might get a better response is; What can we do to make the world a better place for everyone? The only belief you need for that is; There is a world and we can improve it. Thats something I think most people can agree with... So how do we go about that ahum little mission? I'd say we first need to define the problems in the world, since I never watch any tv this is a tough step for me haha. In general people are quite good at listing the negatives so I'll just give a few off the top of my head; - Hunger - Pollution - Stress - Crime Thats just a quick list right there, what I personally noticed is that one factor can really affect each section and that is nutrition. I truly belief that many people do not know how much nutrition affects the world in many different ways. A couple of things that nutrition affects; Crime; There have been a few researches that have shown there is a link between criminal behavior and nutritional habits. Often young criminals have a horrible diet of sugar and fast food that is messing up there brain chemistry. This inbalance means they are often tired, can't concentrate properly and have many health issue's as well. Also a few researchers found that bad eating habits often result in criminal behavior. I haven't studied this a lot but it seems to make sense. The people from the lower social class are often the ones who have horrendous eating habits (overweight, sickly and tired). While the more wealthy and healthy class often has decent to good eating habits. Note this is from personal experience. Hunger As far as I know there have been several studies that showed that if we drop meat as a global food this pretty much get solved. I don't know the exact numbers but large numbers of plant food is needed to get the meat we eat. Also the fear of vegetariens has to stop, it is not a dangerious lifestyle at all. Problematic in this department is once again lack of knowledge and willingness to change there eating habits. Pollution A lot of our pollution is coming from the animals we raise for food purposes. If we can limit our meat intake we can also limit the pollution we generate. Again I haven't done any extensive research in this department so I can't point to articles for information. To me changing the eating habits of people can have a major impact on the world in many ways. Just a suggestion though...
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We have tried shipping wheat for free to Africa (to raise the price on our own markets), but it has only destroyed their economy. People in Africa have to get into a position where they can feed themselves. Individual livestyle changes don't matter in the large scope of things. Whether you are a vegetariar or aren't doesn't change anything. Before you can change something you have to understand the reason why the thing exists in the first place. To change something you have to find a leverage point. To do that we have to change systems. You have to give people systems they can use.
__________________ I am always open for feedback on my posts. If your feedback would go offtopic feel free to send me a Personal Message. My posts generally don't contain medical or legal advice, if you have a problem seek the opinion of an expert Talking about this in terms of “bad news” or “bad judgment by business leaders” seems archaic. It’s like describing World War One as “a serious diplomatic concern.” Bruce Sterling about the financial crisis. |
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One of my thoughts on this type of thing is that as long as world leaders believe in the Malthusian economics of lack, giving everyone in the world a high standard of living may be seen as dooming the world (or first world prosperity at least) rather than saving it. IF there’s only so much to go around, some may be inclined to keep options and wealth minimal for quite a few people so that they won’t be competing for resources, and also to maintain a source of cheap labor. I don’t really see that changing to a great extent unless/until widespread nanotechnology becomes available. Go Ray Kurzweil. For now, I’m lucky to have enough options to be able to make the world I’m exposed to nearly perfect already. In my social world virtually everyone is in great shape, money isn’t too much of a problem, and there are always lots of exciting things left to do. The only holes in this reality are the panhandlers that frequent my town. Everyone else seems to do quite well. I have little things that I do to make my world seem better: give massages to friends tell friends about interesting things I come across donate blood (lets me feel like I’m helping people I’ll never meet) do some volunteer work (lets me meet interesting people while providing some help) donate money to some of the few charities that seem to really help (like Heifer) walk/ride my bike more and drive less Overall my focus is much more on improving “my” world than “the” world, moving to wherever conditions seem best and working from there, but in a small way my actions can contribute to the greater whole. |
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Offcourse individual lifestyle changes matter in the large scope of things, you might never see a change but it does matter both for yourself and the world. If you change your lifestyle to help the world than you create a ripple affect, people will wonder why you changed and some might even follow you. If everybody beliefs that the actions they take does not affect the world in any way than nothing would ever change. I merely gave a suggestion of what I think is best (personal) so my question to you is; What do you think has the most positive effect on the world? What systems would you change and how?
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At the moment I don't have the ressources to do anything signifcant in that regard, but I am developing myself (being 21 myself, I have still enough time to develop abitlities). In general WorldChanging: Tools, Models and Ideas for Building a Bright Green Future or TED: Ideas worth spreading are sources for example of what other people do. Steve would also be an example of someone who changes a lot of minds, through his blog (changing thought systems of a group of people). Sure it isn't easy, to change the world. Individual Human beings who work without legerage are pawns. You have to think big to do something worthwhile. Small changes don't help.
__________________ I am always open for feedback on my posts. If your feedback would go offtopic feel free to send me a Personal Message. My posts generally don't contain medical or legal advice, if you have a problem seek the opinion of an expert Talking about this in terms of “bad news” or “bad judgment by business leaders” seems archaic. It’s like describing World War One as “a serious diplomatic concern.” Bruce Sterling about the financial crisis. |
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I am a busy man and I do not have time to read this entire thread, but if someone has not already mentioned Dave Pollard's How to Save the World blog, I would recommend going to it and reading his signature essays. I remember Steve recommending this blog on one of his blog posts that showed what he reads in an average week. I was quite taken with the depth of thought in Dave Pollard's posts, and became enamored with his blog. It goes back at least three years, although it could be much more than that, I just haven't checked it. It offers solutions, numerous in quantity and quality. If you haven't stepped over to his blog, I urge you to do so. He really has a good way of putting things and he is an excellent writer.
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Ha. Its going to be alot easier than I expected. I'll explain later. Or maybe I don't know enough about things. I'm still brainstorming it out. I'm like... oh so that's it? Or I at least have clearer idea of what could be done, and kinda what's already being done. But we might just end up saving ourselves naturally, even if I do nothing. I'm going to continue to think about it any way until I'm sure everything is going to be just fine, but I'm not exactly sure of that yet. And well... I've got nothing else better to do. The knowlege is already out there. It just needs to be combined in a non fragmented easily to digest and in an inspirational but non-mystic-overly hyped-bullshit way. That might be the hard part. Or not. And you guys have probably said the same things, so what I'm thinking is nothing special, but I did not see it because I usually have to discover out things for myself. Basically all the problems stem to one root cause (I'm intuitively guessing). Can anyone guess?? But then again, that root cause could probably be seen from many different viewpoints and interpreted differently in different language. Or maybe this is what every person thinks, and then one learns just how much one does not know, like I might be so ignorant right now that I don't even know that I don't know... like the "its sounds good in theory..." Last edited by Sunnybayes; 07-22-2007 at 06:12 AM. |
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In terms of the levels of consciousness and the world's consciousness level increasing, I think a discovery of some kind that would shatter like 90% of the world's reality would be awesome and instantly bring them into a higher level of consciousness because the evidence is right in front of them. It's easy to deny stuff, but some kind of revolutionary discovery about time, space, consciousness, or the brain could definitely be world-changing. Erock
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They'd be like, "well that's nice. But I have to get up and go to work tommarow, but good thing someone is doing stuff about things. I wish more people would actually listen to this stuff and do things. Our stupid government..." Though I'm only saying this because you said "a discovery of some kind" What kind of discovery do you think that this would be? Ok. So about space. How about... there's really 26 dimensions instead of 3? There's no such thing as time!!! Everything has a piece of conciousness. There's already tonnes of discoveries about the brain out there. "shatter 90% of the world's reality" Hmmm.. shatter doesn't sound like a nice word. Sounds like it would make people go nuts and get depressed. A depressed person is not likely to take action and help out. And so I guess we'd need to figure out a way to reach 90% of the world's people in the first place. So how can we reach out to 90% of the worlds people? So it should be fun and exciting, and people should see the benefits of doing so and be excited about it, and have fun doing it too. Last edited by Sunnybayes; 07-22-2007 at 07:00 PM. |
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So at least here in the United States, here's the core of the problem. Oil = cars + long commutes + huge suburbia = global warming] = social isolation [internet... not such a healthy way... you've got to actually be around people] = more TV watching = lack of exercise= depression = tones of other diseases [like obesity= expensive medical bill = more social isolation] = war in Iraq = helplessness = hard to take action for everyone = low productivity = damaged brains = continued stupidity stress = rushed feeling = need to eat crap fast food at McDonalds = hate your job = more health problems = more criminal behavior = what Freelancer said here Quote:
Also from my personal experience, when I have been alone, I tend to feel "selfish", and after I've been around people then I feel much more like contributing. Like right now, I usually contribute lots to these forums after I've had an awesome night out, just seeing people. Its like it controls how much you feel like contributing. Even what I've heard from a podcast on Lincoln's leadership style. He was such an awesome leader because he was "constantly among the troops", and that the other leaders had hard time taking action because they isolated themselves in their offices. And did some more research and I found that exercise when you are not with other people does more harm than good because it causes stress when you exercise alone = rise in the stress hormone = [more weight gain, less effective brain, more accidental stupidity] google search "social isolation" Quote:
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Maybe this would be better in the contribution forum?
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Saving the world is something. We don't know, in fact if it needs to be saved. However, prior to saving the world, which is a very convenient subject to anybody because we know it will turn into nothing, could someone propose saving something smaller? Could a bunch of intelligent people agree that proposal is worth addressing, create a synergy of minds, put together some resources and save that something? "A thousand miles journey begins with a step". |
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Saving a tree - 2005. Nice. I wish there was somewhere a list of causes, that people could rely to, and bring their contribution Saving the world is probably not an issue, like saving a lung cancer patient doesn't require "saving the patient" but curing his lung or firmly stopping the spreading of the disease. |
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There are endless things that could be done to help save the world, and yes, every one of them counts, no matter how small. To me, the one that would probably make the most impact would be overall unity among all people. No more country borders, no more people forcing their will upon others; rather, we need people putting aside their differences and remembering that we really all are equal and need to join together for the common good. And I'm not saying we all have to think the same way and all must become clones - we just need to realize that we all inhabit the planet together, and even if we all keep about our personal lives and only change how we react toward other people, that will be the biggest step... |
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first time poster. i found this place researching polyphasic sleep schedules. i agree with love vs fear. we dont respect anything unless we fear it. wherein love we would respect everything. i recently had an interesting conversation about this very same topic. and in my opinion as a race we have become to smart and resourceful for one planet. once one person has the power to push a button and destroy a large section of the world (via nuclear bomb, or a number of other devastating weapons) then its time for us to expand to other planets. essentially earth is holding all of our human eggs in one basket. we should set up franchises on other planets, thus stop putting so much pressure of forcing the earth to produce for us, and spread our greed elsewhere. hopefully we can do this peacefully and in respect to the planet(s). although that doesnt seem the case so far. i am not sure if this is a good solution for the universe ect (partially because i have a feeling humans are just a growing virus infecting the earth) however, i do think it is essential for human beings. i think nature, and the earth has built in ways to adapt and survive nearly any situations. however, as we grow powerful and intellegent our force eventually trumps nature. we can use our knowledge to work cohesively with the earth, or use the earth as our playground and rape it for profits. our efforts should be either towards spreading to other planets, or towards learning to live with, not over the top of, this planet. william WilliamHessian.com (artist portfolio) |
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unfortunately the only realistic way for this to happen is to have aliens attack. so we have fear united the world of humans. |
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I agree with Max Power, or whatever his name is, that I'm too lazy to look up And the funny thing is, I disagree with him at the same time. So here's my point of view: Dad said, "people are bumbs for a reason." He went on to say because they are lazy, or on drugs. Only a small percentage of people are bumbs because of pure bad luck. People make stupid mistakes. when stupid people kill themselves, evolution whens a battle. Unfortunately, stupid people reproduce/ breed a lot more than smart people. However, that isn't the issue. Why people are dumb and do dumb things isn't the issue. The issue is what is a perfect world. A perfect world is where I don't turn on the news and have to listen to another freaking story about a woman being raped and killed. I don't care what the fu.. you say, nobody needs to be raped to be able to enjoy life, or know what love is. |
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