Ron Paul 2008 - Opinions?

[taylor]

I'm not one for online political threads as they so often result in name calling, but I can't stop myself on this one. Does anyone have any opinions of Dr. Ron Paul? I'm not very happy with the far majority of candidates, but Paul is a man of sincere principal even when it's not financially beneficial to him, or politically beneficial to him. For example he has never taken a government-paid junket, does not participate in the congressional pension program, and delivers a portion of his congressional salary to the U.S. Treasury every term. He has made a career out of strictly following the Constitution, by voting 'NO' to every bill that violates it, which in todays congress, is a lot. Anyway, I'm beginning to laud him as a real hero and I'm curious what the cultural creatives think about him.

If you don't know him here is perhaps this link will be helpful:
YouTube - Ron Paul in Debate at Reagan Library (May '07)

[Lauxa]

Was hoping to see some conversation on Ron Paul on this board, and sorry to see that no one replied to your thread. I love Ron Paul and have since '88. I have been so depressed lately about politics and not seeing any hope for change that I just had to stop following politics. I am incredibly excited to see Ron Paul running and starting to make waves and gain some traction.

I cannot even imagine what will happen if he actually gets elected. I'm afraid that maybe the dollar will crash because he won't be willing to play the game that keeps us in easy money, but the debts will have to come due eventually and I'd rather see it happen in a free society than while rounding everyone up in prison camps. I'm afraid he would be shot, but hopefully he will have strong security, I know he has tons of loyal supporters.

Viva Ron Paul!

[Dharma]

Friggin' yeah!!!!

I've been watching Ron Paul for 10 years hoping he'd make another move toward the presidency.

He is the only one who will bring the great changes that people want. All the rest are status quo.

How to get Ron to win? Well it's all a reflection of you and me. It's come time again that consciousness is looking for changes. Typically we let a really dumb part of ourselves run the unconscious (currenlt GW Bush) and put not-so-representative parts of ourselves representing the whole.

This doesn't work. We know it but we still do it, time after time.

Do you have the courage to let another part of you lead your consciousness and take you where you need to go? Do you have the courage to step into the unknown, to let common structures you depend on fall to the wayside (financial/currency), to embrace parts of yourselves that you don't understand or feel are wrong instead of beating them up (war)? Can you let go of denials around your creatorship (money), safety (homeland security), and knowingness (department of education)? Can you? cause those denials are going away with Ron.

Can you throw away all the structures and habits that don't support you in your life? That is what Ron will do on a physical level if elected. To open the space for him you need to do this in your own life, your own consciousness.

Ron Paul. Bring it!

[F M Richbourg]

Hello, I'm a new member. Since I am an ardent admirer of Ron Paul and have been so for many years, I thought responding to this post would be a good way to introduce myself. Rep. Ron Paul is, indeed, the most principled man ever in politics or anything else, for that matter. He is a Libertarian running as a Republican because the general population doesn't know or care anything about Libertarians, particularly at the national level. I think Ron Paul would make the finest president since George Washington. The political establishment behind the Republican Party, however, does not look with favor on him because of his independent spirit. He has so much integrity that he always exercises his own very wise best judgement concerning every issue, therefore, they can't trust him to compromise his ethical standards on their behalf should the occassion arise. And that is the best reason to vote for him. His concern is for our highest and greatest good, not his own personal benefit or that of the GOP. Even ardent Democrats should vote for him because they are highly unlikely to ever have a chance to vote for such a supremely great man again (as are Republicans). Men like Ron Paul come along once every 200 years if even that often. The United States certainly doesn't come within a country mile of deserving the likes of Ron Paul, but in the grace of God we have an amazing opportunity to elect him to lead us anyway. That is a major miracle probably in response to the prayers of millions of Christians and other Americans of integrity fed up with rotten politics as usual. Let us not waste this marvelous opportunity. Find out more about him and, if you value him as I do, then promote him as often as you have the chance. May God richly bless our nation as it hopefully begins to follow His principles.

[seeker5]

I think he's great! I went and sent him a little bit of money for having the courage to stand up for a principled way. I think Steve P. should investigate Ron Paul and see what he thinks of him - Ron seems so different from the typical politican that he may fit the kind of politican that Steve may favor.

[jamestl2]

If I had to vote in 2008, It'd definitely be for him, but then I'd be a hypocrite against my "Don't Vote" views.

[rinkuhero]

I think Ron Paul seems like a good choice, yep. I'd love to see Steve's thoughts on him one day.

[Jill]

There's also this thread where Ron Paul is being discussed:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/s...president.html

[schola]

I decided to bump this thread instead of starting a new one. I totally support him.

If he doesn't get the Republican nomination (and it seems that he has a very real chance of getting it!) I probably won't vote in next year's election.

[Dan.Linehan]

Ron Paul rocks.



He's going to win and mainstream media is going to FLIP.

[Honeywith4bees]

From what I have read, Ron Paul is not Pro-Choice, which rules him out for me, as a viable candidate. We've lost enough of our freedoms lately, I'm not ready to vote for losing this one as well.

[Rivelli]

Originally Posted by Honeywith4bees

From what I have read, Ron Paul is not Pro-Choice, which rules him out for me, as a viable candidate. We've lost enough of our freedoms lately, I'm not ready to vote for losing this one as well.

He's a Republican... In many young areas, especially online in most places, I see this crazy Ron Paul thing that I do not understand. I am open minded. I am young (20) myself. A major problem I see is the fact that the wrong crowd actually likes Paul. The majority of kids are liberal. Liberals like pro choice as the guy I quoted seems to agree. However, the fact that a Republican is pro life is not a shocker at all. I'm sorry, I just don't get him. I'm decently into current events / politics. But to think Paul really has a chance? I don't have any reasons to dislike him. Frankly, I am a strong fiscal conservative like him but there are more issues than the economy. My question is, what is so good about the guy? Why does the young crowd like him? I watch more news than the average Bear at least for the last year or so but I must have missed something huge for Paul. Someone please fill me in.

Right, duh. Hes the only Republican thats is strongly against the war. Is that it? That doesn't explain why the young liberal crowds love him. Right right right, its bad to lump people together like that with no stats to prove, but common. You guys have to see that its true.

[schola]

Originally Posted by Rivelli

He's a Republican... In many young areas, especially online in most places, I see this crazy Ron Paul thing that I do not understand. I am open minded. I am young (20) myself. A major problem I see is the fact that the wrong crowd actually likes Paul. The majority of kids are liberal. Liberals like pro choice as the guy I quoted seems to agree. However, the fact that a Republican is pro life is not a shocker at all. I'm sorry, I just don't get him. I'm decently into current events / politics. But to think Paul really has a chance? I don't have any reasons to dislike him. Frankly, I am a strong fiscal conservative like him but there are more issues than the economy. My question is, what is so good about the guy? Why does the young crowd like him? I watch more news than the average Bear at least for the last year or so but I must have missed something huge for Paul. Someone please fill me in.

Right, duh. Hes the only Republican thats is strongly against the war. Is that it? That doesn't explain why the young liberal crowds love him. Right right right, its bad to lump people together like that with no stats to prove, but common. You guys have to see that its true.

Heh, the mainstream media doesn't talk about Paul, because they have a vested interested in keeping the status quo.

You have to do more than watch the news to know anything about politics. Take a poly sci class at your local community college or do some research on the internet. Try to do research for yourself instead of asking for it to be served up to you on a silver platter.

To some him up *very* briefly: He's the only candidate that isn't influenced or controlled by the elites in this country.

[Brutha]

He's a Republican... In many young areas, especially online in most places, I see this crazy Ron Paul thing that I do not understand. I am open minded.

1. He proposes solutions that are very easy to understand.
2. He has the image of challenging the status quo. Young people like people who want to challenge the status quo.
3. He is authentic and guides his actions by principles instead of real politik.
4. He is 100% antiwar and antipariotic act.

Because of those reasons I understand that a lot of young folks are for him.
He has on the other hand areas like public healthcare, welfare or bordersecurity clear Republincan standpoints that would rule him out for myself (I'm German so I can't vote anyway).
Having him nominated from the republican party on the other hand would probably have a good effect on the internal dynamics in the Republican party.

Does he have a chance?
If he wins I would say history repeats itself (the south korea 2002 "internet election").
At the moment it doesn't look like it (from the pools).

[frankfortpost]

Big Ron Paul fan here.

[Rivelli]

Originally Posted by schola

You have to do more than watch the news to know anything about politics. Take a poly sci class at your local community college or do some research on the internet. Try to do research for yourself instead of asking for it to be served up to you on a silver platter.

How did you get I only watch the news?

Originally Posted by Brutha

1. He proposes solutions that are very easy to understand.
2. He has the image of challenging the status quo. Young people like people who want to challenge the status quo.
3. He is authentic and guides his actions by principles instead of real politik.
4. He is 100% antiwar and antipariotic act.

I like most of that. Hes would cut more programs than I would even! When it comes to over spending, I am one of the biggest fiscal conservatives. Ron Paul wants to cut a lot of major programs even I believe we should still have, like the FBI...

With that said, I do like him. I would easily prefer him over pretty much all the Democrats. There are some Republicans I prefer over Ron at the moment though.

[schola]

Originally Posted by Rivelli

How did you get I only watch the news?

Sorry if I jumped to conclusions. You said this, which led me to believe you believe watching the news makes one well-informed.

I watch more news than the average Bear at least for the last year or so but I must have missed something huge for Paul.

The American media is one of the worst places you could go to get enlightenment on any issue.

Always remember that they are corporations. They will only talk about things that get them viewers and thus, make money for their advertisers.

[schola]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Because of those reasons I understand that a lot of young folks are for him.
He has on the other hand areas like public healthcare, welfare or bordersecurity clear Republincan standpoints that would rule him out for myself

Brutha, those are the issues where he's spot on!

This shows the diverse support he has though. Some people are in love with his entire platform, others just see him as the lesser evil of the corrupt candidates we have to choose from.

[Rivelli]

Originally Posted by schola

Sorry if I jumped to conclusions. You said this, which led me to believe you believe watching the news makes one well-informed.



The American media is one of the worst places you could go to get enlightenment on any issue.

Always remember that they are corporations. They will only talk about things that get them viewers and thus, make money for their advertisers.

No problem, I should have been more clear. A lot of the T.V watching was because of my father. He is under the impression, the T.V is the only way to connect to the world. At the same time, he says its the opiate for the masses. I use to watch everything from NBC to Fox and the big ones in between thinking it was the only way to get a clear picture. Watch the ones that are the furthest left and right along with the other ones to see everyones point of view. I then realized that even the ones I felt were decent, not nearly what I wanted or the way it should be. I am also getting deeper in my community of Information Security Professionals (Hackers, the real kind, not movie kind) that can sometimes be very strong when it comes to Big Brother, Elitism, the media and so on. There are many stories I read all the time that I wish would be played on the news. At the moment, I get the news and issues from a decently wide array of sources. I do not have a strong online source though. For the most part, some RSS feeds digg.com, and maybe yahoo or CNN but thats about it when it comes to the News or Politics.

[frankfortpost]

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[A2K89]

I'm a very big Ron Paul supporter.

To all those who don't understand why he stands where he does on certain issues, I urge you to investigate his platform more..

Originally Posted by Rivelli

Frankly, I am a strong fiscal conservative like him but there are more issues than the economy. My question is, what is so good about the guy? Why does the young crowd like him? I watch more news than the average Bear at least for the last year or so but I must have missed something huge for Paul. Someone please fill me in.

Right, duh. Hes the only Republican thats is strongly against the war. Is that it? That doesn't explain why the young liberal crowds love him. Right right right, its bad to lump people together like that with no stats to prove, but common. You guys have to see that its true.

I think The "young liberals" whom you speak of are just people who are devotedly interested in finding out the truth, who just so happened to sway more to the democrat side after Bush managed to **** up so many things. Trust me, his message attracts people of many different backgrounds and voting records. And he does sway people who previously voted democrat into adopting a more libertarian/constitutionalist perspective.

Young people like him, because he is the only candidate of integrity who is offering real solutions to Americas problems. And thats just putting it in the most simple way I can.

What do manage to dislike about Paul anyways?
-If your truly following whats up with our economy, and how the federal reserve fits into the equation, you would know that we are in serious trouble. What other candidate even talks about the economy?
-What is there to not understand about his platform? Less federal government, more local representation, more individual freedom, less taxes. Just go read the constitution, and really think about why the founders set up our government they way the did, and you'll understand Ron Paul. Hes held the same values for the past thirty years, while the rest of the presidential nominees morph their message and accents according to whatever comforts the current town they are standing in. Their actors pretending to be anti-status quo, not leaders whom are actually concerned about the middle and lower classes.

Originally Posted by Rivelli

With that said, I do like him. I would easily prefer him over pretty much all the Democrats. There are some Republicans I prefer over Ron at the moment though.

Like who? And why?

Originally Posted by Brutha

1. He proposes solutions that are very easy to understand.

His solutions being "easy to understand" has nothing to do with it, them being more intelligent and wise solutions compared to what the democrats and the other republicans are offering does.

2. He has the image of challenging the status quo. Young people like people who want to challenge the status quo.

Are you aware of how corrupt the status quo in Washington is? Of course we're anti status quo, and aware person would be.

3. He is authentic and guides his actions by principles instead of real politik.

What do you mean by "real" politik

4. He is 100% antiwar and antipariotic act.

Hooray!

Does he have a chance?

I don't care what his chances are, I stand behind the best candidate.

[Brutha]

Originally Posted by A2K89

His solutions being "easy to understand" has nothing to do with it, them being more intelligent and wise solutions compared to what the democrats and the other republicans are offering does.

Do you believe that his solutions aren't easy to understand?
Or do you believe that people (especially young) people aren't more likely to vote for someone who's solutions they understand?

What do you mean by "real" politik

Realpolitik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[wolfgang]

Maybe of use to this thread:
Select a Candidate 2008

[coollikeme]

Is a waste of time and money.

[Dive Bomb]

I hope he runs as an independent if he does not recieve the Republican nomination. It doesn't look good that he will run as a Republican for president based on the primaries so far. Imagine if Obama and Paul run the same ticket if they don't recieve their nominations. I doubt it would happen since there policies are different but boy they would make a good run I think.

[TCRIMSONK]

Hey everyone, I'm also brand new here. I was about to do an intro post, but Dr. Paul's name jumped out at me and I couldn't help myself.

Originally Posted by Dive Bomb

I hope he runs as an independent if he does not recieve the Republican nomination.

If I'm not mistaken, Paul ran for president in what... '88? (Starting poly sleep, so I'm too loopy to know for sure) Either way, he ran for the Republican primary, didn't get it, and then ended up on the ballots, I THINK, as a Libertarian candidate. He never changed his registration to Libertarian, but the party supported him and his message. I'd love to see the same thing happen again, as I'm not aware of any Libertarian presidential candidates this time around, and I'd love to have one to vote for.

[schola]

I respect the heck out of him. I bought his most recent book for my Dad over Christmas, and ended up reading it myself.

He's a very intelligent and moral man, and he's opened my eyes to the real problems facing our country and how we can fix them.

[Nelson]

Are You Ready For Freedom?

Ron Paul is the best choice for president, he offers the best of both parties in the American political arena. He will give us the personal freedom that is desired by Democrats and the financial freedom that is desired by Republicans.

REPUBLICAN BENEFITS

• No Gun Control He is the strongest supporter of 2nd amendment rights.
• No Income Tax He believes in removing all income tax
• Protect Property Rights He believes in stopping NAFTA from building their superhighway - and in turn helping protect the property rights of all Americans from any special interest group
• Capitalist and Small Business Supporter He believes in free market capitalism and medicine
• Immigration Reform He has a six-point plan to enforce border security and eliminate illegal immigration
• Helps Out Veterans He honors our veterans by offering to reform the VA and give tax breaks to employers who hire veterans
• The USA is a SOVEREIGN Nation He believes in withdrawing from any "world" organization that attempts to impose on our nation's sovereignty
• Pro-Life Ron Paul believes that every individual is entitled to basic freedoms – that includes unborn children. He is a anti-abortion because he supports freedom for all Americans, not just adults.

DEMOCRATIC BENEFITS

• Man of Peace He believes that the war in Iraq is immoral and financially impossible, he will have our troops withdraw immediately - Ron Paul realizes that Iraq did not bomb us, terrorists did, and he will bring us to an era of peace
• Freedom of Schooling He is committed to making Home school a practical alternative to public schooling - he knows that freedom of choice is critical in our country
• Protect Indivdual Rights and Privacy He aims to completely eliminate anything that even resembles the patriot act and is a guard dog against any attack on individual freedom and privacy
• Medical Marijuana and Drug Reform Ron Paul wants to eliminate the War On Drugs, the government has no business deciding what is legal for you to ingest as medicine or as recreation.
• Cheaper Health Care He believes in lessening the power of all federal organizations including the FDA - which is a main cause of high medical prices. With free market health care there will be no need for a National Health Care Plan. Furthermore, while we wait for the free market to kick in, Ron Paul plans to give tax benefits to those with medical problems.
• Real Solutions for the Energy Crisis Ron Paul has the solution to the energy crisis which we are currently facing and to stopping the polluting chemicals we currently use is a free market - time and time again free markets have spurred competition and innovation - this means will find new, more effective, less polluting and cheaper fuels.

Click Here to visit RonPaul2008.com - Where you can find out more about this great man.

[Brutha]

Cheaper Health Care He believes in lessening the power of all federal organizations including the FDA - which is a main cause of high medical prices.

That means more or less that drug company's don't have to do those costly study to show that their drugs aren't harmful to anyone anymore doesn't it? To give them the freedom to sell the drugs they want to sell without those study's?

Is there somewhere a statement online about what Ron Paul thinks about intellectual property?

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by Brutha

That means more or less that drug company's don't have to do those costly study to show that their drugs aren't harmful to anyone anymore doesn't it? To give them the freedom to sell the drugs they want to sell without those study's?

Ron is saying the federal government should not be in the business of doing or enforcing those studies. The private sector is able to create their own regulatory agencies.

Company XYZ: "If you want your drug to be XYZ Certified it must meet these stringent requirements..." Company XYZ charges a fee to have their logo on your medication if you meet the requirements. Newspapers, magazines, and medical journals can discuss how XYZ's certification compares to others in cost, safety, etc. If XYZ screws up, they take a financial hit for it, and XYZ is here to make a profit, so they're going to protect themselves from loss.

That is how it will work for many government agencies that Ron will dismiss.

It does work! The fire service (firefighting) has a standards group called NFPA. It's not a government agency, but it is one that creates standards for safety, equipment, and training for the fire service. fire departments don't have to follow NFPA, but they do because it is a way of keeping their departments current and also being certified lowers the insurance rates for all the homeowners and businesses in town, because the insurer knows Dept XYZ is following a certain standard.