America is officially a police state

[Cado]

I'm surprised I don't see a topic about this. If perchance I missed it the mods are free to do as they will; this is too important to risk not having it on the front page.

Long story short, Obama signed a bill into law which enables the US military to act on our soil and detain citizens indefinitely without charge or trial. That means that you-any one of us-can be grabbed off the street and disappear without due process and without the opportunity to be released. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is actually happening and if it's going to change before mass travesties occur this is our only chance to make it happen.

Our politicians are guilty of treason. No longer are they merely corrupt, they're traitors to the country and they should be made to answer for their crimes. More importantly, we need to show we're not going to take this lying down. I still believe in the ideals this country was founded on and no amount of perceived safety is worth living in fear of my own government.

The 86 Senators who Voted to Pass NDAA need to #Occupy the Unemployment Line – FreakOutNation
Three myths about the detention bill - Salon.com
Anonymous - Message To Obama - YouTube

[royster]

Originally Posted by Cado

Obama signed a bill into law which enables the US military to act on our soil and detain citizens indefinitely without charge or trial. That means that you-any one of us-can be grabbed off the street and disappear without due process and without the opportunity to be released.

In "1984" this was known as "unpersoned".

But of course, this couldn't POSSIBLY ever happen in the United States. Interactive television screens, mind control and the likes...that's just the stuff of fiction, like "1984".

The laws encated since 9/11 brought us the "Patriot Act". The sequels since are designed to protect us from tyranny.

Aren't they?


OHPLEASETELLMETHEYARE

[aelle]

Will Potter, who has written extensively about the rebranding of (what ought to be) constitutionally protected activism as eco-terrorism to protect industrial interests at the expense of personal freedoms and due process, talks about it here: Senate Approves Imprisonment of U.S. Citizens, Without Charge, As Terrorists

[royster]

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR, The Northern Virginia Daily
January 27, 2008
Sir;
Americans were handed the best possible opportunity to delve into the darkest sectors of their government, and hold to light those accountable for every aspect of wrongdoing. This opportunity spanned six years. A concerted opposition deflected every truth or valid question this opportunity presented, and fear played as the motivation for most to remain silent.
It was the 9/11 Truth movement, and had it been pursued, even if nothing were found out of place, it would have been an exercise in holding government accountable. It would remain as a reminder that the people of this country are the government. Few had the courage to face this matter, and excuses were manufactured to smother any possibility that our own government would do such a thing.
When a person flatly proclaims that his government…or any government…is above corruption, at once he’s given license to that government to pursue corruption, and simultaneously forfeits any right to question that government. The corruption will progress to the point of making any investigation illegal, dissidents “unpatriotic”, and in a short span, the corruption leads invariably to self-destruction. It is identical to alcoholism, ending in absolute slavery. How sobering.
It took 14 months of pushing to get a 9/11 investigation, and at every turn, attempts were made to put foxes in the chicken coop, not the least being Henry Kissenger. The investigation itself was no more than a farce, never addressing the real questions or utilizing indisputable facts. Once again, America was lulled into complacency. And for the last time, America forfeited its chance to really hold to account a real democracy. The degradation of civil rights is at a point of no return. Presidential power has become absolute, and no one in politics will change this, now.
When Nazi Germany collapsed, the U.S. government took possession of all records, experiment results, and every aspect of building an invincible Empire. The same government that spies on you, uses your tax dollars developing sophisticated surveillance, and sends your children to wars for controlling oil has at its disposal every aspect of perfected corruption.
Your complacency permitted this.

Roy A. Stokes

9/11 Letters To The Editor

[stanmrak]

Wake up, people. The "War on Terror" is a hoax. The terrorist threat in the USA is less significant than the muggings on the street.

[cacheborn]

When Obama came to power, I thought it was a pleasant change. I did not believe that anyone could sink as low as Bush so anything that follows has to be good. Looks like I was wrong.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

When Obama came to power, I thought it was a pleasant change. I did not believe that anyone could sink as low as Bush so anything that follows has to be good. Looks like I was wrong.

Bush just made Obama look good at the time. You could have thrown some random with a history of gambling, booze and womanizing into office at the time, and he still would have seemed better than Bush.

[Miia]

That`s horrible...

[Lukas]

What happens behind the scenes becomes more obvious, let's see if more of us can be awake and change our life, it's our planet.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

When Obama came to power, I thought it was a pleasant change. I did not believe that anyone could sink as low as Bush so anything that follows has to be good. Looks like I was wrong.

I was skeptical but foolishly hopeful when he was elected. I didn't have particularly high hopes as he voted to let the telecom companies off the hook when he plainly said he wouldn't. That was the summer before he was elected, and it turns out that would be his pattern on every major issue after that.

[Frisky]

And all this because a bunch of guys decided to fly some airplanes into buildings

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Frisky

And all this because a bunch of guys decided to fly some airplanes into buildings

This is the pretext, not the cause.

[royster]

An open letter of apology to President Obama for all the nasty things I wrote about him!
AN OPEN LETTER OF APOLOGY TO PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA
By Sherwood Ross
Dear DEAR President Obama,

Now that you have signed the National Defense Appropriation Act into law giving yourself the power to arrest and imprison any American indefinitely, I want to tell you how very very very very very sorry I am for all those nasty things I wrote about you. Name-calling is never appropriate and I should have known better, especially when I compared you to Benito ("Three cheers for war!") Mussolini for making undeclared wars in Africa. In retrospect, I was way off base. Since the NDAA nullifies the Constitution, you might agree with Mussolini's viewpoint, "Mankind is tired of liberty" but that's definitely where the comparison stops. Mussolini was a fat slob whereas everyone can see you are the leanest, trimmest, handsomest president we've had in the White House since JFK, maybe handsomer.

Likewise, I'm exceedingly sorry I wrote U.S. forces in Afghanistan are killing innocent people every day. I know that is not their intent. As Hermann Goring once said, "I am in the habit of shooting from time to time and if I sometimes make mistakes, at least I have shot." Since comparing your actions to a top Nazi is odious, let's just say as the noted American gangster Mickey Cohen once boasted, "I never killed a man that didn't deserve it." Sure, it's technically an "assassination" to execute people without a trial but your suspects were fingered by the CIA. We need to keep in mind you're striving to reduce terrorism, not necessarily uphold the law for, to quote J. Edgar Hoover, "Justice is incidental to law and order."

If the CIA had the smarts to grab you right out of college and give you a job, I'd be surprised they could be so mistaken as to order the execution of innocent people. The late President Nixon may have said of them, "What the hell do those clowns do out there in Langley?" but what did he know? Actually, you can now take comfort from Nixon's words, "When the president does it, that means it's not illegal."

Anyway, while I'm apologizing to you, please tell the CIA I take back all those nasty things I wrote, saying they're the world's biggest criminal syndicate ever, and comparing it to the Ku Klux Klan for operating in secret, kidnapping and lynching. We all know the CIA's critics do tend to exaggerate. Some say the Agency's overthrown 30 countries by force and violence when it's probably been just 26 or so. As ex-CIA Director William Colby once said, "I have definitional problems with the word 'violence.' I don't know what the word 'violence' means." At times, the Agency may have run amok here and there but at least it showed its smarts by not copying the KKK's cross burnings, which definitely would have made us look bad in Muslim countries.

So I'm glad you refused to prosecute CIA torturers. Incidentally, when the Agency destroyed its torture flicks, it didn't prove obstruction of justice so much as not wanting to make Hollywood producers look like action movie amateurs. Imagine a scene in which a CIA agent says of a waterboard victim, "He sleeps with the fishes" and it's for real, not fictional like in "The Godfather." When you leave the White House, you might consider Hollywood. You'd grasp the true meaning of Samuel Goldwyn's words, "A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on" because without a Constitution now everything's gonna be verbal.

I also apologize for describing you as the moral opposite of Rev. Martin Luther King, because he was anti-war while you have been making wars at the drop of a bomb. Whose to say MLK would criticize your wars in Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, and Yemen, right? And that's just a half dozen countries out of 200, so what's the big deal? You're only trying to be friendly as you expand the number of U.S. military bases abroad. We've only got 900. As JFK's Secretary of State Dean Rusk, once said, "While we are sleeping, two-thirds of the world are plotting to do us in." Or as Billy the Kid warned: "I see many enemies around and mighty few friends."

As for my disparaging you for assuming "king of the world" powers of life-and-death over all human beings on the planet, well, while that's technically true, I know you are not the sort of guy to actually exercise those powers, even if misguided liberals do mock you as "President O'Bomber." The NBA is always advertising the good its players do in their communities and you're a basketball player yourself, right? I mean, indiscriminate killing is not something an NBA player would do, is it? So, logically, you wouldn't do it, either. Actually, I think that if you had the desire to play basketball professionally you obviously would have been a top star like Dwayne Wade or Kobe Bryant. Am I right, bro'? You don't mind if I call you bro', do you?

In closing, I think you can take satisfaction knowing that you outperformed the Nixon regime, whose Henry Kissinger once said, "The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little bit longer." The fact is, after only three years in office you have inspired 300 million Americans to be on their very very best behavior, or else, no mean achievement. Yours Truly, your friend, loyal supporter, Cheerleader-in-Chief, and soon-to-be-campaign contributor, Sherwood Ross P.S. May you have four more years! (And me, too.) #

(Sherwood Ross is a public relations consultant whose clients have just left him. He's indebted to Robert Singer's "The Bad Guys' Quote Book" from Avon Press, from which he lifted many of the quotes for this article.)

[JDuff]

No doubt you speak a lot of sense. All I can say is, at least it was better than it would have been under McCain and Palin. Let's be honest, regarding foreign policy at least with respect to conflicts, Obama has done a good job. But for the lot of it, I have no doubt that those nefarious individuals would have been far worse even though they are in the same pocket eventually...

[Miia]

lol royster

I wonder why nobody is talking about the fact that the law enables US military to detain ANYBODY, ANYWHERE (including US citizens in US).

How messed up is that?

Anybody, anywhere?

What the hell?

It seems more like a global police state.

[Lukas]

Originally Posted by Frisky

And all this because a bunch of guys decided to fly some airplanes into buildings

The official version given by the government is a conspiracy theory, let's don't forget that.

[Kosmos]

What a nonsense! The OP apparently doesn't know the definition of police state.

[Kosmos]

Originally Posted by Lukas

The official version given by the government is a conspiracy theory, let's don't forget that.

The governments of the world, the international media, the political analysts, and almost every sane person agree with the official version. The only ones who deny that Al-Qaeda was behind 9-11 are some nut-job conspiracy theorists.

[MariconesUnited]

Originally Posted by Kosmos

The governments of the world, the international media, the political analysts, and almost every sane person agree with the official version. The only ones who deny that Al-Qaeda was behind 9-11 are some nut-job conspiracy theorists.

I think Al Qaeda was behind it and I think some members of the US government were involved as well. That's what the evidence shows, if you care to look at it.

[Kosmos]

Originally Posted by MariconesUnited

I think Al Qaeda was behind it and I think some members of the US government were involved as well. That's what the evidence shows, if you care to look at it.

Oh come on, MariconesUnited! I respect many of your opinions but the claim that the US government was involved in the attacks doesn't hold water. Care to show any kind of evidence?

[MariconesUnited]

Originally Posted by Kosmos

Oh come on, MariconesUnited! I respect many of your opinions but the claim that the US government was involved in the attacks doesn't hold water. Care to show any kind of evidence?

No. There's the American Association of Engineers(or something) who claims there's tons of some trace of explosive all around the many explosion sites. You would have better chance with them. I don't care to invest myself emotionally into a topic such as this, especially considering the forums are closing. But the official version is, very clearly, a lie. Or at the very least not the whole truth.

Repeating a lie over and over again does not make it true. Unless of course you do it through the media.

Thank you for respecting my opinions by the way, it's appreciated

Peace out!