Whites are second class citizens

[CroMagna]

A gang of Muslim girls who repeatedly kicked a young woman in the head walked free from court after a judge heard they were ‘not used to being drunk’ because of their religion.

Girl Gang Who Kicked Woman in the Head While Yelling 'Kill the White Slag' Freed After Judge Hears 'They Weren't Used to Drinking Because They're Muslims' :: American Renaissance News

Compare this to the situation where the white woman was on the tram telling off foreigners and is sitting in jail as we speak.

Meanwhile:

'My Tram Experience' - Brutal Assault on 96 Yr Old British Vet, Gets No Jail! :: American Renaissance News

[Lioness]

NO they aren't 2nd class citizens. You have cherry-picked a couple of isolated incidents of what could be called "reverse racism" and made a wildly distorted generalization.

[CroMagna]

This happens several times a day. Here's yet another example:

My Tram Experience in France :: American Renaissance News
Black passenger says he wants to “kill all white people.”

Nothing happened to him.

[ZephyrusX]

The ruling in the first case is insulting on so many levels. It is almost infantilizing Somalian Muslim women and implying that they don't have any responsibility.

Having said that, I don't think turfing someone in jail is going to address racism. There are some pretty cool community sentencing projects going on in Edmonton. They are sort of like sentencing circles where the stakeholders and other volunteers (often previous offenders) gather to address why the crime actually took place and try to address it in a way that will deter future criminal behaviour. Judges often suspend sentencing on a condition that offenders participate meaningfully in these projects. I think something like this would work better than simply requiring them to do community service. The criminal justice system has a not-so lovely way of not addressing the actual issue.

[Acting Like Godot]

Notice that all these articles are from "American Renaissance News".

They have a certain sort of editorial approach .... They are very preoccupied with race issues ... You should do your own investigation ... If you choose to trust them entirely, you'll believe that white people are the most precious living things on earth but tragically threatened, despised and hated by all other races.

[Frisky]

Maybe its karma from Europe's colonalization days coming back to bite us in the ass

[Mariana Trench]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Notice that all these articles are from "American Renaissance News".

They have a certain sort of editorial approach .... They are very preoccupied with race issues ... You should do your own investigation ...

Beyond that, they have a very particular slant on race issues.

Ie. white supremacist bulls&%t.


I don't know about the particular cases mentioned, and I do not want to send more traffic to that vile rag of a website; but I do know that, while anyone can experience racism, in the US, whites are not the ones that experience it systematically--unless you want to argue it takes the form of affirmative action, which personally I don't buy but I don't really have a good argument against it except that it pales in comparison as far as effects go to what other races, especially blacks, experience here. (The state I just moved away from, flew the confederate flag at the statehouse. What statement does that send? "We are officially proud of historically supporting slavery!")

[cacheborn]

I have become increasing skeptical about all the media outlets. Truth seems to become more and more elusive.

Excerpts from Manufacturing Consent, Noam Chomsky interviewed by various interviewers

[Mariana Trench]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

I have become increasing skeptical about all the media outlets. Truth seems to become more and more elusive.

Excerpts from Manufacturing Consent, Noam Chomsky interviewed by various interviewers

That is a good point. Many mainstream outlets have been caught in blatant lies. This one is an even easier case in untrustworthiness, though: it's relatively small and blatantly caters to a very thin perspective--there are no checks and balances here, because there's nothing for it to be held accountable to.

[justhopingandsearching]

Hey CroMagna,

I've noticed you seem to be really focused on race and race relations. Maybe, you should take a step back from it all. Do a month long trial where nothing is related to race. Assume, the things happen for another reason: because I/she/he was tired, mean, smart, happy, whatever. Go out of your way to avoid race.

Personally, my life has been alot better when I started taking responsibility for my life, and getting away from the "race card." This isn't to say that racism doesn't exist, but rather to stop go looking for it. So, unless someone specifically says something to the effect of "I hate all ***** [insert any racial slur]" I don't assume or even think about race.

It's almost crazy how my entire life has changed by taking on a new perspective. You don't have to of course, but you might really like it. To know it's up to you to make something of your life, and nothing about your "external" appearance whether you're white, black, blind, or otherwise "different" can stop that.

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by justhopingandsearching

Hey CroMagna,

I've noticed you seem to be really focused on race and race relations. Maybe, you should take a step back from it all. Do a month long trial where nothing is related to race. Assume, the things happen for another reason: because I/she/he was tired, mean, smart, happy, whatever. Go out of your way to avoid race.

Personally, my life has been alot better when I started taking responsibility for my life, and getting away from the "race card." This isn't to say that racism doesn't exist, but rather to stop go looking for it. So, unless someone specifically says something to the effect of "I hate all ***** [insert any racial slur]" I don't assume or even think about race.

It's almost crazy how my entire life has changed by taking on a new perspective. You don't have to of course, but you might really like it. To know it's up to you to make something of your life, and nothing about your "external" appearance whether you're white, black, blind, or otherwise "different" can stop that

Yes, you hit the nail on the head. If you're a minority and keep dwelling on race, and keep playing the "victim card", you keep inviting racism into your life by default because of the Law of Attraction (only its LOA in reverse).

Most minorities do this without actually being aware this is what they're doing

[ZephyrusX]

The user comments are really sad too. It sounds like a lot of angry people ignorantly blaming immigration for the state of their society, but some how, I don't think hate is going to solve problems.

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Notice that all these articles are from "American Renaissance News".

They have a certain sort of editorial approach .... They are very preoccupied with race issues ... You should do your own investigation ... If you choose to trust them entirely, you'll believe that white people are the most precious living things on earth but tragically threatened, despised and hated by all other races.

[James Fletcher]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

Girl Gang Who Kicked Woman in the Head While Yelling 'Kill the White Slag' Freed After Judge Hears 'They Weren't Used to Drinking Because They're Muslims' :: American Renaissance News

Compare this to the situation where the white woman was on the tram telling off foreigners and is sitting in jail as we speak.

Meanwhile:

'My Tram Experience' - Brutal Assault on 96 Yr Old British Vet, Gets No Jail! :: American Renaissance News

That is disgusting that they walked free.

The British justice system, and the government, is bogged down in so much political correct nonsense.

They have a lot of work to do reversing the damage done by the Blair/Brown years of social engineering.

[ZephyrusX]

I don't quite agree with the bold part, but I guess it really depends on what you meant. In terms of race, structural marginalization often boils down to class. If you look at proxies for a person's socioeconomic status (access to post secondary education, degree completion, health) coloured minorities do indeed fair worse than white people, but it is not as if white people do not face structural marginalization. There are plenty of impoverished white people and corresponding racial slurs (i.e white trash).

I think where race becomes an issue is that powerful groups of people, historically, deliberately socially engineered the environment in a way where coloured minorities (i.e Aboriginal people in Canada) would face structural marginalization for no other reason other than the fact that they weren't white. Canadian history towards Aboriginal groups is truly despicable.

The issue becomes a little more complicated than that when you consider the fact that Canadian immigration policy deliberately excluded other nationalities that were white, but were deemed socially undesirable (i.e the Irish, Eastern Europeans). I think our first immigration policy flat out did not accept 'undesirable' whites into the country, and when they did change the immigration policy to include them, they did so with the sole intention of using them as cheap labour.

Originally Posted by Mariana Trench

I don't know about the particular cases mentioned, and I do not want to send more traffic to that vile rag of a website; but I do know that, while anyone can experience racism, in the US, whites are not the ones that experience it systematically--unless you want to argue it takes the form of affirmative action, which personally I don't buy but I don't really have a good argument against it except that it pales in comparison as far as effects go to what other races, especially blacks, experience here. (The state I just moved away from, flew the confederate flag at the statehouse. What statement does that send? "We are officially proud of historically supporting slavery!")

[Somnium Dico]

I'm sorry, there are many more posts here that are making great points and being much more subtle and tactful than I could ever be, so I'll just bluntly ask you this: are you seriously, HONESTLY saying that white people are being mistreated and having their rights abused?

Oh please, go on. I'd love to hear about all the awful struggles of Caucasian discrimination.

[elucidate]

Is this part of your rebellion against being dark skinned CroMagna? You said a while back that you don't like being black and you don't like other black women...so is this the direction you are now taking...making white people out to be victims of racial classism?

Reverse racism does exist, but I'm more curious to know why you feel the need to put your attention on this?

[Mikennick]

OK, I'm watching this video over and over and I can't get one thing. WTF is wrong with her boyfriend?!

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by Somnium Dico

I'm sorry, there are many more posts here that are making great points and being much more subtle and tactful than I could ever be, so I'll just bluntly ask you this: are you seriously, HONESTLY saying that white people are being mistreated and having their rights abused?

Two wrongs dont make a right, smartypants

Originally Posted by Somnium Dico

Oh please, go on. I'd love to hear about all the awful struggles of Caucasian discrimination

The video in 1st post of this thread is a shining example.

Let me guess, you are a Leftie, amiright??

[ZephyrusX]

Cro: Why are you framing this issue in terms of hierarchy and who has it worse? Is there really much to be gained from that sort of discussion? It just seems like a good way to take away any productive discussion about race and it make into a personalized competition.

What is it that you are really concerned about?

[newmark]

I don't think whites are second class citizens. However, what happened in both of these cases was completely wrong. The first case seems to have been caused by racism. To blame it on alcohol and islam is ridiculous. In neither case should the attackers have walked away free.

@mikenick, I couldn't work out what was wrong with the boyfriend either. Maybe he was drunk, maybe he was scared of Britain's laws that make self-defence punishable if you hurt your attackers too much, or maybe he was just scared.

[Fred Tracy]

I think direct experience is very important for determining what is actually true, at least in your local area.

For example, call it a law of attraction thing, or just pure dumb luck, but I haven't ever experienced very many race-related issues.

To be short: racism doesn't really exist in my little reality. I'm sure it exists elsewhere, but I'm not really that concerned with it.

[newmark]

Originally Posted by Fred Tracy

I think direct experience is very important for determining what is actually true, at least in your local area.

For example, call it a law of attraction thing, or just pure dumb luck, but I haven't ever experienced very many race-related issues.

To be short: racism doesn't really exist in my little reality. I'm sure it exists elsewhere, but I'm not really that concerned with it.

Where you live is also important.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Notice that all these articles are from "American Renaissance News".

The first article is from The Daily Mail in London and the second two are Youtube clippings.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Mikennick

OK, I'm watching this video over and over and I can't get one thing. WTF is wrong with her boyfriend?!

I was wondering the same thing but I give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he doesn't want to hit women.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Frisky

Yes, you hit the nail on the head. If you're a minority and keep dwelling on race, and keep playing the "victim card", you keep inviting racism into your life by default because of the Law of Attraction (only its LOA in reverse).

Most minorities do this without actually being aware this is what they're doing

Am I playing the "victim card?" I think we're living in Black Run America. Look at the First Family. Look at Hollywood or the music industry. Look at the ADL, the SPLC, the ACLU, etc. Look at universities.

I noticed you stereotypes minorities as being preoccupied with race. When I generalize, it means I hate my race.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by justhopingandsearching

Hey CroMagna,

I've noticed you seem to be really focused on race and race relations. Maybe, you should take a step back from it all. Do a month long trial where nothing is related to race. Assume, the things happen for another reason: because I/she/he was tired, mean, smart, happy, whatever. Go out of your way to avoid race.

Personally, my life has been alot better when I started taking responsibility for my life, and getting away from the "race card." This isn't to say that racism doesn't exist, but rather to stop go looking for it. So, unless someone specifically says something to the effect of "I hate all ***** [insert any racial slur]" I don't assume or even think about race.

It's almost crazy how my entire life has changed by taking on a new perspective. You don't have to of course, but you might really like it. To know it's up to you to make something of your life, and nothing about your "external" appearance whether you're white, black, blind, or otherwise "different" can stop that.

I find it difficult not to generalize and I don't see the point of taking a break from race. But I guess I'll take a breather. Can you elaborate though please?

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Is this part of your rebellion against being dark skinned CroMagna? You said a while back that you don't like being black and you don't like other black women...so is this the direction you are now taking...making white people out to be victims of racial classism?

Reverse racism does exist, but I'm more curious to know why you feel the need to put your attention on this?

I know it's not my problem, but it's nice to be fully informed on all sides of the issue. I don't know if Australia is, but America is a race-obsessed society so it can become very addicting and entertaining.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by ZephyrusX

Cro: Why are you framing this issue in terms of hierarchy and who has it worse? Is there really much to be gained from that sort of discussion? It just seems like a good way to take away any productive discussion about race and it make into a personalized competition.

What is it that you are really concerned about?

Good question. I'm concerned about injustice in whatever form it takes even if it's not personally my problem. I'm concerned if my country is going in the wrong direction.

[ZephyrusX]

How is the US going in the wrong direction?

What do you think should of happened to the offenders in the above cases, btw?

And just out of curiosity, does the US still have a policy of throwing everyone in jail? In Canada, the criminal justice system has moved towards conditional sentencing and community involvement. The amount of people we actually put in jail has gone done significantly. At least, in terms of young offenders it has.

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

I know it's not my problem, but it's nice to be fully informed on all sides of the issue. I don't know if Australia is, but America is a race-obsessed society so it can become very addicting and entertaining.

Is there there anyone in the US who isn't race-obsessed?

I find it difficult not to generalize and I don't see the point of taking a break from race.

I encourage you to generalize even more, until you can look at five races at the same time and just see people.

-Tim