The Bill of Rights has just been destroyed.. America is almost dead.

[superfoodist]

Anonymous - Message to the American People - YouTube

I don't think "Anonymous" is anything special, but that's the only video I could find which summarized everything up pretty well.

Basically, the Bill of Rights is dead, and people can now be imprisoned indefinitely WITHOUT trial. This means that you can stay locked up FOREVER even if you're NOT GUILTY. This is 10000% NOT American. Our country is being taken over from the inside out, folks. Spread the video, spread the message. This is your country, and your freedom at hand. It's just going to continue to get worse unless people are woken up to the truth.

Post this on facebook, twitter, other forums you visit, wherever... Just get the message out before its too late!

[Curtis2011]

Do you actually believe that posting about it on facebook and twitter is going to change anything at all?

[superfoodist]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

Do you actually believe that posting about it on facebook and twitter is going to change anything at all?

So I assume your belief is that remaining quiet will achieve better results?

[Frisky]

And to think, all this started because a few dozens guys decided to fly 2 airplanes into the twin towers

[royster]

Perhaps a contribution of some merit.

Spontaneous movement ... ?

[royster]

Originally Posted by Frisky

And to think, all this started because a few dozens guys decided to fly 2 airplanes into the twin towers

In my view, 9/11 was only the beginning

[JSB]

Originally Posted by royster

Perhaps a contribution of some merit.

Spontaneous movement ... ?

"It's the Evil Joos!" Really? That's the answer? Rehashed "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and Neo-Nazi propaganda? (meaning Authentic Neo-Nazi propaganda, posted at Stormfront, not histrionic "OMG you're a Nazi!" accusations people throw around when they don't like something.)

Erin Pavlina is Jewish. Why do you post on her website if you believe in "the Jewish death machine", and that "the Judaic philosophy of the strong taking from the weak — and bathing people in blood — is demonstrably insane, yet it guides the world toward its ruination"?

[royster]

I did not write the article. Nor do I believe any ethnic group is responsible for any major disaster: my own research shows conclussively that the real perpetrators have a history of hiding behind targeted groups.

Part of the problem with such topics is the propensity for people to trail off with misunderstood details, formulating opinions from them, then proceding to make ill-conceived accusations and assumptions. All the while the real crux of the matter is left way behind, unaddressed.

That is likely the intention.

As well, to do any serious reseach in these matters, it is essential to strip away attached connotations from the present political climate, and rely on historically accurate facts.

Jesus was raised in the culture of Israelites who referred to themselves as Jewish. While most believe Jew is an ethnic heritage it is actually more of a system of belief referenced to the time when Jehovah established his wisdom in the tribe of Judah, thus the term Jew.

Although I am deeply Spiritual, I host many agnostics and even "God Haters" on my own web site. All views make for a full spectrum. I'm confident Erin feels the same about her website.

[JSB]

I know you didn't write the article, but you're quoting it as a contribution of some merit.

It may HAVE some merit, but, to me anyway, whatever merit it has is tainted by some very ugly, really gutter-level stuff. I've never gotten a vibe like that from any of your posts, so please don't take this as my pointing at you and screaming "OMG! Nazi!" or accusing you of anything; I was just a little suprised and disappointed to read what you posted, as I've found some real insight and compassion in other posts of yours.

So, full disclosure: I am part Jewish. My family is mixed: Christian (Catholic & Protestant), Jewish, Muslim, and some atheists as well. My wife's family is all Buddhist. Religious-based conflict drives me absolutely nuts, and that Stormfront s**t makes my eyes bleed. Hey, I can get pretty pissed off talking about Oliver Cromwell too, but that's going way back, so I've never talked to anyone who has it in living memory.

Originally Posted by royster

I did not write the article. Nor do I believe any ethnic group is responsible for any major disaster: my own research shows conclussively that the real perpetrators have a history of hiding behind targeted groups.

Part of the problem with such topics is the propensity for people to trail off with misunderstood details, formulating opinions from them, then proceding to make ill-conceived accusations and assumptions. All the while the real crux of the matter is left way behind, unaddressed.

That is likely the intention.

As well, to do any serious reseach in these matters, it is essential to strip away attached connotations from the present political climate, and rely on historically accurate facts.

[royster]

Thank you for your explanation, JSB. Also, I'm glad you find merit in my postings.

The emotional capitol invested in political manipulation is specifically intended for creating division of peoples. It is by this means the real criminals are getting away with murder, and this has been their mod us operendi for centuries. In bickering over planted falsehoods or outrages, the perpetrators remain undetected because people can't get past mainstream taboos and mudslinging. Most people are also so involved in entertainment and struggling to make ends meet that they don't have the time or inclination to thoroughly research an event. In recent years, the mainstream mind relies on "sound bytes" for information, and it is a dangerous practice.

Those who research relentlessly and cross-referrence facts are often discredited by means of charactor assassination, and when that doesn't work, a barrage of worthless questions designed to keep the topic running in circles is employed. Not only do the perpetrators erect Sacred Cows, they also control popular opinion. Social Engineering includes the insemination of catchphrases. For example, if calling a 9/11 Truther a "kook" doesn't work, the term "conspiracy theory" usually suffices to discredit the individual (or group), regardless of hard, cold facts presented in clear light. Ignoring the group completely in the mainstream is the last resort.

We see this in the Occupy Movement: in pointing out the group's tents and pot smoking, the real message is ignored. And this process works well for those controlling things from behind the scenes.

When our planet's population can rise above the catchphrases, conditioning, social engineering and inflated ethnic differences, we can begin to expose the real troublemakers and their true agenda in honest light. This will happen, but it takes Love and patience from all of us. It also requires being able to hear out the full story instead of jumping in when an emotional prompt arises.

I am not Jewish. I am not Christian. I am not Muslim. Yet my composition is influenced by all of those things. I toured the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. as a guest of one of the proprietors: a Jew. In fact, my client. The museum exhibits the many cultures and groups Nazis persecuted. Historical fact shows the Bush family, as well as Henry Ford, contributed intensely to the Nazi regime. Even though this is historical fact available in the library of Congress, it is overlooked by prompting some emotional capitol, already in place by those wishing to remain unexposed.

The devil is in the details.

[inconditus]

Originally Posted by JSB

"It's the Evil Joos!" Really? That's the answer? Rehashed "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and Neo-Nazi propaganda? (meaning Authentic Neo-Nazi propaganda, posted at Stormfront, not histrionic "OMG you're a Nazi!" accusations people throw around when they don't like something.)

Erin Pavlina is Jewish. Why do you post on her website if you believe in "the Jewish death machine", and that "the Judaic philosophy of the strong taking from the weak — and bathing people in blood — is demonstrably insane, yet it guides the world toward its ruination"?

Being a Zionist and Jewish are two completely different things. A Jewish person is someone who is either of Jewish decent or who follows the Torah.

Zionists are political ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who just happen to be jewish as well. They have been taking over the world since WW1 at least.

Call me anti-semetic if you want. Whatever, it's not going to offend me since I AM JEWISH. My great uncle was in the holocaust. This has nothing to do with being jewish or not being jewish.

I haven't read the article so if the article so if it says something different then I have no control over that.

[royster]

Originally Posted by inconditus

Being a Zionist and Jewish are two completely different things. A Jewish person is someone who is either of Jewish decent or who follows the Torah.

Zionists are political ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who just happen to be jewish as well. They have been taking over the world since WW1 at least.

Thank you for an essential detail so often overlooked.

And right on target, too.

[royster]

Anti-semitism is a Lie.

[inconditus]

Awesome link. Thank you. <3 Namaste.

[royster]

Originally Posted by inconditus

Awesome link. Thank you. <3 Namaste.

Salamme'

I apologize to wolves for associating their image with criminals.

[Brutha]

Those who research relentlessly and cross-referrence facts are often discredited by means of charactor assassination, and when that doesn't work, a barrage of worthless questions designed to keep the topic running in circles is employed.

There no 9/11 truth website that relentlessly cross-referrences fact.
It's something that the 9/11 truth community just doesn't do.

If you really believe in the cross-referencing thing start a Wiki and kick out everybody who prefers arguing based on youtube videos over people who value cross-referencing.
If you do a good job you might develop a decent theory that's worth discussing in the mainstream.
At the moment the 9/11 just don't play by the rules of a decent debate.

When you (plural you, the community) speak about "historic facts" you should mention it when you differ with the academic historical community and argue for your position.
Having people argue positions that differ significantly from the one of academic historians while being either oblivious of the fact or purposefully ignoring it doesn't help being heard.

[wanzulfikri]

I think that the term 'Evil Jews' is a bit biased. People just want to believe what they want to believe, and started finding ways to reinforce this belief.

[royster]

Originally Posted by Brutha

There no 9/11 truth website that relentlessly cross-referrences fact.
It's something that the 9/11 truth community just doesn't do.

Oh.




It's always good to have experts set you straight on these matters. Thanks.

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by superfoodist

So I assume your belief is that remaining quiet will achieve better results?

Probably the exact same results, actually

Except my facebook friends won't have to look at my end-of-the-world proselytizing, which seems like a benefit to me.

Originally Posted by royster

Those who research relentlessly and cross-referrence facts are often discredited by means of charactor assassination

Originally Posted by royster

Oh.

It's always good to have experts set you straight on these matters. Thanks.

I find it ironic that in one post, you complained about people avoiding arguments and instead resorting to character assassination, while in your following post, you essentially did the same exact thing you were complaining about. Unless that wasn't supposed to be sarcasm.

[royster]

...and your point is...?

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by royster

...and your point is...?

My unstated point was that you were being a hypocrite.