We have the Right!, not to donate our organs

[ButterflyWoman]

sk8joyful, are you actually copying and pasting material from some other forum or website? If so, you're probably copying the formatting from there, but aside from that, you really shouldn't do that. It's not only poor netiquette (i.e., internet etiquette), it's potentially copyright violation, and it comes close to breaking the rules here, as well.

If you're all fired up about something on another board, you should discuss it there, with the people who posted it, rather than bringing what they wrote here and saying nasty things about them where they can't respond (which what it looks like you're doing; my apology if this is not the case).

Starting a discussion here based on something you read somewhere else is fine, but trying to bring the conversation here by way of copy and paste is really not cool.

Here are a few examples I screen captured:





Multiple colours, some of them difficult to read (that light purple is not good for visibility, for instance), all kinds of fonts, and italic Comic Sans, which is quite possibly the most unreadable choice someone could make (Comic Sans is all right for readability, but the italic/oblique form of it is horrible, and Comic Sans is horrendously overused and poorly understood, as it's meant to be a comic book font!), random changes in font size, underlining, abrupt and non-necessary line breaks, etc. I don't expect that everyone is a graphic designer with in-depth knowledge of fonts and so on, but this kind of fonts-gone-wild presentation does nothing to promote an argument, and it's likely to cause people to just ignore the whole thing because it's so hard to read. It's also hard to take it seriously, when it kinda gives the impression of having been drawn with crayons.

[sk8joyful]

Hi there,
I was out of town for 2 days, & really need to be (post-op) napping, but
since you kindly posted to me, & were considered enuf to ask questions...

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

sk8joyful,
are you actually copying and pasting material from some other forum or website?
If so, you're probably copying the formatting from there, but aside from that,
you really shouldn't do that. It's not only poor netiquette (i.e., internet etiquette),
it's potentially copyright violation, and it comes close to breaking the rules here, as well.

Let me explain. - One of my Admins., started a thread on this here subject,
on yet a 3rd. Forum, we've both belonged to for over 6 years.

Some there, reported her thread as their opinion is: it's
UNchristian not to "sacrifice" our own body,
(for the $benefit of profiting medical doctors.
Those people might actually need to help people again).

So my friend as the OP, asked to have the thread be MOVED...
to another area, where it can be discussed by more people.

Knowing I would be leaving out of town for an undetermined time-frame,
(and since that forum is famous for destructing threads),
I thought of moving the Relevant posts over here, and
ASK what people here thought. Unfortunately,
most posters here, tho despising us Christians, yet
atheists here hold fast to the same opinion that most christians do.

re Copyright violations: in my original posting
I gave "each Reference" that I got something from,
which in this thread only applied to the post listing the 8 factors. -
So I did not violate any Copyright laws. -
Besides that, I have no criminal record in real life, including a clean Driving record.

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

If you're all fired up about something on another board,
you should discuss it there, with the people who posted it,

1. Posters on THIS Forum, start threads... re
all sorts of things they found in other places, to then discuss... here.
Is this allowed only for atheists, but not extended to us Christians?

2. Also, the other Forum just moved it into a 2nd. Catholic-section,
where you have to belong to THAT specific religion, or you can't post.
You know the idiocy of "segregation".

3. Additionally EACH of us has VITAL-organs, so this topic is applicable
definitely in this WORLD-section here, as any person in the world
can be faced with that threat, or much better said:
the opportunity... when granted via their OWN ADULT STEM-cells to again heal...

(making organ-Harvesting Unnecessaryl & thus should be outlawed).

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

rather than bringing what they wrote here and
saying nasty things about them where they can't respond
(which what it looks like you're doing; my apology if this is not the case).

Thank you for acknowledging I did Not do the 'nasty' thing,
except in #3 where I called one religious person a twit.

Yet Notice, in this thread here numerous people ridiculed me
repeatedly,
but because I am a Christian, ridiculing is OK??

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

Starting a discussion here based on something you read somewhere else is fine,
but trying to bring the conversation here by way of copy and paste is really not cool.

All (but my good friend's response, & 1 Signatures, plus the Site I earlier Referenced), the rest of these posts I transferred were all made by myself, and this is not allowed? - since when?

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

Multiple colours, some of them difficult to read (that light purple is not good for visibility, for instance),

Yes, PURPLE is one of my good friend's Favorite color; shall I tell her she should change it?

Considering it IS available in the Reply-box, and normally
most people do not exist limited in a Black-&-White world,
I thought her, & other's use of COLOR is acceptable.

IF that is not the case, WHY is it in this Reply-box as an option?

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

all kinds of fonts, and italic Comic Sans, which is quite possibly the most unreadable choice someone could make

Well, (whereas this Forum here has 47,576 members),
in the Forum my friend started this thread in, they have 296,264 members, and people use ALL
the various Colors, Fonts, Sizes & Writing styles; and people are not allowed to Criticise each other
over these choices... Why? - Because it is accepted that GOD created us each as unique Individuals,
with different Interests, Hobbies, & Contributions, we can Celebrate...

Thank you for kindly giving of your time!

[ZephyrusX]

*scratches head*

You were copying and pasting from another forum? That totally flew by my head.

Can you give us the link to the original thread so that we can read the discussion in proper context?

I would like to read more on this:

Some there, reported her thread as their opinion is: it's
UNchristian not to "sacrifice" our own body,
(for the $benefit of profiting medical doctors.
Those people might actually need to help people again).

[elucidate]

No one ridiculed you.

You don't seem to be able to tell the difference between constructive criticism and ridicule.

I couldn't care less if you are a christian or a bikie...if I can't read your posts then I'm gonna say something about it. If you can't take that on board as an adult without labelling me as being 'negative', then that's not my issue.

I think you just like playing the victim personally. Perhaps you've copped a lot of ridicule over the years being a christian, so you just expect it from everyone...but I can assure you that wasn't my intention at all and many people here can see that.

Constructive criticism is supposed to be helpful, but only if the receiver can take it as it's meant and not make it something it's not.

[ButterflyWoman]

sk8ful, stop with the Christian Martyr attitude. I said NOTHING AT ALL about Christianity. I also said NOTHING AT ALL about the actual content of your posts!

What I was talking about is copying and pasting materials from another site to this one, which of course takes them out of context and makes it confusing for anyone to know what you're talking about and leads to all kinds of confusion and misunderstanding. I was also talking about why people regard your posts as hard to follow and difficult to read.

It's also entirely possible to remove the formatting (rather than blaming it on your good friend whose posts you're copying to this site) but I don't think you particularly care. You're convinced you're being persecuted, and you see any kind of constructive criticism as an attack on your person and your beliefs, including something as non-related to your beliefs as "the formatting on your posts makes them hard to read".

You really need to get over this persecution complex and get past the victim mentality. It's not doing you or anyone else any good. As long as you think you're a victim, guess what? You will be.

[elucidate]

Couldn't rep you again, but...YEE-HAR!

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

stop with the Christian Martyr attitude.
I also said NOTHING AT ALL about the actual content of your posts!

What I was talking about is copying and pasting materials from another site to this one, which of course takes them out of context and makes it confusing for anyone to know what you're talking about and leads to all kinds of confusion and misunderstanding. I was also talking about why people regard your posts as hard to follow and difficult to read.

It's also entirely possible to remove the formatting
(rather than blaming it on your good friend whose posts you're copying to this site) but
I don't think you particularly care. You're convinced you're being persecuted, and
you see any kind of constructive criticism as an attack on your person and your beliefs, including something as non-related to your beliefs as "the formatting on your posts makes them hard to read".

You really need to get over this persecution complex and get past the victim mentality.
It's not doing you or anyone else any good. As long as you think you're a victim, guess what? You will be.

Hi there,
It would not occur to me to 'blame' my good friend for anything;
for she is after all my GOOD friend.

Also, I have not suffered from a "Christian martyr-complex".
Instead I spoke to unmistakable 'differences' I noticed.

As far as me "not caring" ??; you have Never met me, so you do Not know.
You do not know how (self-sacrificingly♥caring) I lived
for my 1st. 60 years, nor how by God's Grace I will choose to live...helping people in the future

in response to you:

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[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

On another Forum, some religious twit (lacking a better term), posted:

"Organ donation is holy
since it involves a sacrifice"
_____________________
those people make me Vomit!

Let me guess... "they" aren't a "true" christian? Only your religious views are correct? The people on here respect YOUR religious beliefs more then you do of others peoples religious beliefs, and you accuse US of christian hating???

[Angela]

I'm delighted to donate my organs if I don't need them anymore. In fact, I would be happy to be eaten after I die, if someone needs to eat me, say, if we're crashed in the Andes or something. Please hesitate only long enough to make sure I've really croaked, and it's not just the cold weather slowing down my heartrate.

I think we should stop burying bodies and let the dogs and cats eat them. (Only the yummy, fresh and healthy dead bodies, though; not the grody decayed ones.)

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Angela

I'm delighted to donate my organs if I don't need them anymore. In fact, I would be happy to be eaten after I die, if someone needs to eat me, say, if we're crashed in the Andes or something. Please hesitate only long enough to make sure I've really croaked, and it's not just the cold weather slowing down my heartrate.

I think we should stop burying bodies and let the dogs and cats eat them. (Only the yummy, fresh and healthy dead bodies, though; not the grody decayed ones.)

We are filled with way too many drugs and antibiotics and etc etc for anything or anyone to eat us. I'm pretty sure that the Andes people who didn't eat people, made it out better then the others. Animals really shouldn't be eating people.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

We are filled with way too many drugs and antibiotics and etc etc for anything or anyone to eat us. I'm pretty sure that the Andes people who didn't eat people, made it out better then the others. Animals really shouldn't be eating people.

I see your point. But aren't the animals they use for pet food also treated with drugs and antibiotics?

Just to be safe, though, let's only feed them the raw vegans.

[garentee]

Great to see you back Angela...

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Angela

I see your point. But aren't the animals they use for pet food also treated with drugs and antibiotics?

Just to be safe, though, let's only feed them the raw vegans.

lol hahaha, yes, raw vegans should be pretty much ok for animals, tho still probably not for people.

Yes, pet food animals are treated with drugs and antibiotics, but that's bad too. But, not as bad as the 100's of drugs that people take. What's scary, is the amount of drugs that are supposed to be in water, thanks to people flushing drugs, as well as drugs from peoples urine.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by garentee

Great to see you back Angela...

Thanks, Garentee!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

lol hahaha, yes, raw vegans should be pretty much ok for animals, tho still probably not for people.

Yes, pet food animals are treated with drugs and antibiotics, but that's bad too. But, not as bad as the 100's of drugs that people take. What's scary, is the amount of drugs that are supposed to be in water, thanks to people flushing drugs, as well as drugs from peoples urine.

Well, my feeling is that if my bits are good enough to transplant into another human, they're good enough to feed to Woofy for supper.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Angela

I'm delighted to donate my organs if I don't need them anymore.
In fact, I would be happy to be eaten after I die,
if someone needs to eat me, say, if we're crashed in the Andes or something.

Please hesitate only long enough to make sure I've really croaked,
and it's not just the cold weather slowing down my heartrate.

I think we should stop burying bodies and let the dogs and cats eat them.
(Only the yummy, fresh and healthy dead bodies, though; not the grody decayed ones.)

Hi there,

When I was a wiffle(r) girl I never thought about death; I was too busy living...

After being blessed to leave communism, & most other man's religions,
I returned to my former beliefs. And I wondered: What
should happen to my physical? body, after my Soul leaves it. -
My Sweetie said: "Well, it's only like a glove, and you get a new-Body that will always stay New"
iow, the old one doesn't matter anymore; so slowly I've accepted
that it doesn't matter what happens to a TRUEly 'dead'-body..
---------------- BUT
this thread was NOT about the above subject.

This thread is about the FACT, that -
1. Legislation is trying to be shoved down our throats,
that government has the right to do TO us, & with us
what THEY want; even if we totally disagree.
&
2. Doctors can decide who WILL be
by their medical-actions 'dead' next, even as
the person is still very much Alive, and yet Intends to live...
&
3. Even more important,
(than their means of execution via "organ-harvesting"), is the FACT that the opportunity... when granted
via our OWN ADULT STEM-cells, everyone can again heal... as Research plentifully has shown.

(makes organ-Harvesting Unnecessaryl & thus should be outlawed).

This opportunity... when granted via our OWN ADULT STEM-cells, everyone can again heal... is what drove my good friend & I to START this thread...

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Angela

Well, my feeling is that if my bits are good enough to transplant into another human, they're good enough to feed to Woofy for supper.

Ironically, it takes a ton of drugs for those bits to be good enough to transplant into another human, and many people reject them, or outright die from them. But it's either that, or just dying, period. So it tends to be a lesser of two evils. We have plenty of food to feed woofy that is actually healthy for them, vs only one option when it comes to transplant organs. For now, at least.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

This opportunity... when granted via our OWN ADULT STEM-cells, everyone can again heal.. is what drove my good friend & I to START this thread...

What makes you feel that the will of God, doesn't go against adult stem cells? If we were meant to be healed, then God would heal us, and anything else, is going against the will of God.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

We are filled
with way too many drugs and antibiotics and etc etc for anything or anyone to eat us.
Animals really shouldn't be eating people.

I am in total agreement, RE how much CRAP (antibiotics, & other drugs) people are filled with;
and that few animals would bother...

After I had my Emergency (no less 1st.) surgery 3 weeks ago,
they started me on morphine , & then sent me home in 3 days, on oxycodone

When I got home, I went off ALL meds cold-turkey, &
have NEVER taken any crap since.

Instead I use a heating-pad, to soothe my tummy, while it finishes healing.

[Angela]

sk8joyful, thank you for answering me. I must say, though, that between all the random capitalization and arbitrary colors, reading your post is as hard as reading a ransom note.

I agree with you that you have the right to not donate your organs, if you don't want to. Just tick the little mark on your driver's license, and be sure and write yourself a living will ("Resucitate me no matter what!"). If they pull the plug on you and poach your innards after all that, now, that would just be wrong.

Meanwhile, I'm still okay with having my parts recycled.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

We are filled with way too many drugs and antibiotics and etc etc for anything or anyone to eat us. I'm pretty sure that the Andes people who didn't eat people, made it out better then the others. Animals really shouldn't be eating people.

What about lions?

I want to be eaten by lions when I die. I eat organic stuff(;

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Angela

I think we should stop burying bodies and let the dogs and cats eat them. (Only the yummy, fresh and healthy dead bodies, though; not the grody decayed ones.)

Technically the worms eat bodies, and make glorious compost out of us. I don't have a problem with burial anymore, but I think wooden caskets are a waste of a good tree. In Tasmania they have "Eco-funerals" where people can opt to be buried in a cardboard box which is bio-degradable.

I like that idea a lot.

[sk8joyful]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sk8joyful
This opportunity... when granted via our OWN ADULT STEM-cells, everyone can again heal.. is
what drove my good friend & I to START this thread...

Originally Posted by russianrocket

If we were meant to be healed, then God would heal us,
and
anything else, is going against the will of God.

Excellent observation!

GOD created us EACH in the 1st. place from HIS LOVE.

Like any truly Loving-parent, HE wants what's BEST for us.
So GOD gave us EACH these Presents:
1. for our Soul, GOD voluntarily came to earth, to SAVE us.
+
2. for our Mind, GOD gave us Control... over how we Drive our bus...
+
3. for our Body, GOD gave our Mind also most of the control.
and
Why it's Important that we are Allowed to actually DO Control our own Mind & Body;

(instead of let medical-doctors -via dangerous tests, &
poisonous drugs, & other evil means kill it)

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Yes, pet food animals are treated with drugs and antibiotics, but that's bad too.
But,
not as bad as the 100's of drugs that people take. What's scary,
is the amount of drugs that are supposed to be in water,
thanks to people flushing drugs, as well as drugs from peoples urine.

That is why it is HEALTHY to drink water from very DEEP-wells, such as we do.
By the time it surfaces, it has been filtered, for a looong time; &
our water (besides tasting pure), also tests pure.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Ironically,
many people reject them (transplants), or outright die from them.
But it's either that, or just dying, period. So it tends to be a lesser of two evils.

I will never vote "for evil"; no need to.

Especially since GOD created us/Each with an
inexhaustible supply of PLURIpotent, & UNdifferentiated STEMcells,
we can (via Surgical-help; or better Ourselves) replicate... into ANY cells we need...

PRAISE GOD for HIS LOVE...

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Angela

sk8joyful,
I agree with you that you have the right
to not donate your organs, if you don't want to.
Just tick the little mark on your driver's license, and
be sure and write yourself a living will ("Resucitate me no matter what!").

If they pull the plug on you and poach your innards after all that, now, that would just be wrong.

Hi there,

problem: Obama's/care WANTS to force us to die,
for the government's wishes; and YES! that is WRONG!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

I'm sorry - I have changed Nothing, & from here my posts
LOOK the same as before, so I this is the 1st. I am aware.

What do the posts LOOK like, on the other end?

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

Hi there,

problem: Obama's/care WANTS to force us to die,
for the government's wishes; and YES! that is WRONG!

I don't share your beliefs or concerns in this matter, so I'm going to pull the plug on my participation in your thread. Wishing you a speedy recovery! (I've got a similar surgery coming up next week.)

[ZephyrusX]

Some where in the world, they also have eco-bags that they will stuff you in for your funeral. I believe the plan involved using human corpses to make the soil more fertile or something.

Originally Posted by elucidate

Technically the worms eat bodies, and make glorious compost out of us. I don't have a problem with burial anymore, but I think wooden caskets are a waste of a good tree. In Tasmania they have "Eco-funerals" where people can opt to be buried in a cardboard box which is bio-degradable.

I like that idea a lot.

[ZephyrusX]

Do you know the name of this proposed legislation? I didn't see it while reading your links.

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

Hi there,

problem: Obama's/care WANTS to force us to die,
for the government's wishes; and YES! that is WRONG!

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by ZephyrusX

Some where in the world, they also have eco-bags that they will stuff you in for your funeral. I believe the plan involved using human corpses to make the soil more fertile or something.

Yep, that's what compost does. Human bodies are bio-degradable, and good for the soil.

The Earth gives us so much, the least we could do is give something back. It's not like we need the body once we are gone, so might as well put it to some good use.