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I know there's some people out there that don't like Ron Paul, but he's the ONLY one that's 100% FOR the Constitution. He's EXACTLY what the founding fathers would have wanted. For those that haven't heard of him, or don't know enough about him, here's a few key things about this candidate :
Overall, he's about FREEDOM. For those stuck in the republican/democrat, liberal/conservatism, one vs the other mindset - please leave that behind for a moment and focus on what this guy truly stands for - your personal rights as a human being. He has never voted on a tax raise. If you want to learn more, please check out his website at : Ron Paul 2012 Official Campaign Website There's a reason the mainstream media ignores him. It's because he won't buy into their game. He won't be one of their puppets that they can throw a few dollars at to push their agenda. He's for the constitution. He's for America. |
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Thank you superfoodist for starting a new thread about Ron Paul. He is the only candidate worth voting for. I see people starting to wake up. His ideas aren't at all new, but are new for us. Freedom in every form is what he desires, and what I desire. One thing that we need to get Ron Paul supporters to understand is that he needs to win the primaries to have a shot at being the president. This means you need to be registered republican to vote in the primaries. I was registered independent, but switched so I could vote for him in the primaries. I feel Dr. Paul is the only real choice to beat Obama as well. He is the only candidate that isn't really republican, he is a libertarian. I feel this gives him an advantage, because he will gain a lot of Democrat voters along the way as well. Ron Paul 2012! Thank you for spreading the message of liberty.
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I like the sound of that. *Puts hand up* Question - what does he cut down on so he can lower taxes? Maybe excessive polititian salaries and absurd, crippling subsidies? |
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I like the idea of libertarianism and what Dr. Paul espouses, but I am skeptical of it's real world effects. A society dominated entirely by selfish and corrupt multinational corporate interests is no better to me than a society run by selfish government bureaucrats and corrupt politicians. I don't want prisons, hospitals, military forces, etc. all run by private contractors. I think Paul is a needed voice, a great counterbalance to the current circus in Washington, but I'm not convinced that the society he wants to create would end up being any better for the average citizen than the one we have now --- in the absence of government influence, other forces will step into the power vacuum, and Goldman Sachs and Monsanto will have even more influence on people's lives than they do today. Still, I like having him in the ring and calling other politicians on their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. As for cutting spending: people talk about "waste" and "fat" in US budgets, and it's there, but it makes up a very small percentage of total spending. There are really only 4 contributors to US budget problems: defense, Social Security, Medicare, and debt financing. Nothing else even comes close, and there is no way to fix spending without addressing these areas. | |
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I can't make a list of all of these absurd expenses - and lack of transparency in government spending very much assures that - but the scale of it I believe is staggering. | |
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There is a lot I do agree with Mr Paul about, however there are things that disturb me.. most notably his possible connections with Christian Reconstructionists,and The John Birch Society. In addition, his isolationism which I find rather destructive..Isolationism could be seen as part of the cause of WW2. I certainly think we ought to be more selective of where we put our energies in the world, but as long as corporations are in bed with government it is a moot point... I would like to believe that he is the answer, but there is no one person who will be THE answer and frankly I think he is a wolf in sheeps clothing..
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Yes, there is waste and money thrown at "pet projects", but the scale of it pales in comparison to defense, social security, medicare and debt financing. Also, federal employee pensions, which I forgot to mention earlier. See below for more detail on how federal tax money is spent in the US. The Mandatory section is for spending commitments already mandated by law, meaning that Congress can't just decide not to pay without changing the existing laws, and even then may be forced to pay pre-existing commitments by the Federal courts, depending on the nature of the spending (e.g. the government isn't allowed to ignore or write off its pre-existing debts). Discretionary spending can be changed year to year, but good luck cutting Defense significantly. Taking apart the federal budget (washingtonpost.com) Quote:
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As for Isolationism causing World War 2.. That's a long subject to discuss, but in short (and this isn't conspiracy theory).. American bankers funded the Bolshevik Revolution, which eventually brought Communism into play. Communism was getting too powerful, so in order to keep the world economic game board in check, they funded an "enemy" to communism, known as National Socialism. It's well known, for those that research, that Prescott Bush (George W. Bushes grandfather) was one of the people that financially supported Hitlers rise to power. Eventually, Nazi Germany (National Socialism) started becoming too powerful as well, and was starting to look as if they'd be the victor in WW2, so America had to chime in and play their part to make sure they didn't take over all of Europe. That's the extremely summarized version, but basically, I wouldn't say it was Isolationism that caused WW2.. Instead, I'd say it was bankers, and multi-national corporations that caused it. | ||||||
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As I said, I admire his opposition to governmental tyranny, but I fear that without government power as a balance, excess corporate power and influence will simply replace excess government power and influence. (We see a hint of this today as our government representatives are bought and sold by corporate donors and serve to further the interests of these donors, rather than the people of the United States.) So, Paul would do some good and clean out the corruption and shake up the system, but due to the power vacuum created and the struggles that would ensue, I'm not convinced that things would be any better 5 or 10 years down the road. | |
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If politicians are trying to make it ILLEGAL, then how can you say he wants to legalize it? If politicians are trying to make it illegal, then it's already legal. To be perfectly honest, though, I am SO glad that not just anybody can walk around carrying a gun. And it's not because I don't believe in freedom, but have you seen and talked to people? Most people are great, wonderful people, but there are a lot of dumb animals out there too. I think it's a great thing that you can't just walk around carrying a gun wherever you want. it doesn't infringe on my freedom in ANY way whatsoever, because I sill own guns and I still use them for shooting target, hunting, etc. I don't need to carry one on my hip to feel safe. If you live in an area where you need to do that, then friking move. Don't say you can't afford to move, just pack what you can carry and get the ♥♥♥♥ out of there. I think being completely homeless in a safe place would be far better than scraping and scrounging in a place where you live in constant fear. | |
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As for the Russian Revolution, the US and UK (among other powers) invaded Russian in 1918 in support if the White Russians (Czarists) in the civil war against Lenin and the Bolsheviks. There may have been a few wealthy eccentrics who supported the Communist revolutionaries, but the "establishment" certainly didn't. | |
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The media is at it again. I wonder why every time Ron Paul wins a poll they either discredit their own polls or take them down. The corporate media does not want Ron Paul to even have a chance, but too bad because he does. Ron Paul 2012 - Wins Again - Nov 12th 2011 CBS Debate (MUST SEE) Corrupt Media Proof!!! - mirror - YouTube |
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Ron Paul is in a 4 way tie for 1st place in Iowa now. Cain 20% Paul 19% Rom 18% Ging 17% New poll shows 4-way tie in Iowa as Ron Paul moves to top tier - - CBS News CBS also put up a poll again after enough people called to complain about the unfair treatment of Ron Paul. In the latest CBS poll: 1st place Ron Paul 57,000 votes 2nd place Mitt Rom 28,600 3rd place cain 21,600 So no matter what the media states vote for Paul no matter what. I will not vote for anyone else, and most Paul supporters won't either. We will write in his name if we have to, but if he keeps this up he has a very good chance. |
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| No the vote for president will happen next November. It the meantime the Republican primaries will start happening in the next 7 weeks, and then of the course of a few months all the states will vote for who will challenge Obama. Iowa is the first to vote 7 weeks from now. My state of NC doesn't vote until May.
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Ron Paul aced the debate tonight like always. His poll numbers from this debate look really good as well. Here is his condensed 15 minutes from tonight's debate. Ron Paul Kicking Ass! (11-22-11) - YouTube |
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I found this rather interesting and informative...It definitely is not the whole picture, no one article can be, but I think it helps me to know that my gut feeling is spot on.... You Might Be A Ron Paul Supporter If… | Addicting Info |
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The missing piece in the Ron Paul puzzle is consumer awareness. Take away the EPA and other regulations, and you have companies running amok, polluting everywhere, destroying everything in the name of profits and dismissing environmental concerns as quackery. To be a Ron Paul supporter, you must have faith that the stupid, fat, lazy American Consumer is going to change and actually vote with his wallet. For instance, even going to great lengths and making great sacrifices to not purchase anything from companies that do bad things. An anti-Ron Paul webpage that I saw mentioned some vote that had something to do with a regulation about U.S. companies not being allowed to do business with Darfur (this was during the genocide.) The author of the webpage claimed that Ron Paul was the only senator to vote against this measure. Why did he vote against it? Because he thinks that the federal government should not interfere with the company's rights to do business with whom it wishes. In fact, he thinks that the American Consumer should have the right to choose whether or not to do business with the company that financially supports genocide. The problem? Currently, most consumers would choose to do business with that company, out of pure and blissful ignorance. (E.G. The girl who made your new sweater might have been 9, and she might have just been raped by her supervisor in a factory in Sri Lanka. You would be a worse federal regulator than the real federal regulators, because they don't even have to pay you to look the other way.) |
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When will America start listening? The system is broken. You may not like everything about Paul, but he is the start of change we need. The other candidates will continue useless war. Will continue supporting our broken monetary system. Will continue our drug war. Will continue to promote a society that depends on government to take care of them. Ron Paul may not solve everything, but he will start giving the people the freedoms we have lost. He will respect our liberties. He will awaken the American people to the dangers of the fractional banking system. He will awaken America to the dangers of endless war. He will change us from fear to love. Ron Paul Reality Check - YouTube Last edited by scorpio1980; 11-25-2011 at 01:10 AM. |
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As I have said here several times, I do agree with a lot of what he stands for, but a lot of what he stands for that I do not agree with outweighs his positive message....All that said though his presence in the primaries is GOOD as he is saying an awful lot of what needs to be said.. Last edited by garentee; 11-24-2011 at 10:52 AM. | |
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