Muammar Gaddafi is dead

[Midnite]

News reports are saying Muammar Gaddafi is dead, while other sources are reporting he has been captured after a brutal gun battle.

Warning: graphic image in following article.
Muammar Gaddafi killed as hometown of Sirte finally falls

Gaddafi 'killed, died of wounds': Video of Sirte celebrations - YouTube

[SnerpGoodWord]

Accurate or not, when he decided not to accept exile this had to be how it ended.

[James Fletcher]

So... mission accomplished.

[OptimistPrime]

He certainly had an interesting journey.

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by SnerpGoodWord

Accurate or not, when he decided not to accept exile this had to be how it ended.

Aye. He died because of his own actions.

[DANDUNGAN]

We all die and probably from our own actions.

Now he's a martyr.

Do Americans and libyans understand each other better? Are the libyans more free now?

[nothuman]

Another middle eastern country liberated. Blood spilt for oil to flow......

[OptimistPrime]

Originally Posted by DANDUNGAN

Are the libyans more free now?

Absolutely.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by DANDUNGAN

Do Americans and libyans understand each other better? Are the libyans more free now?

Maybe, but for how long? It seems like it's always a case of chop off the snakes head and another grows back in it's place.

45 years of rule though...something had to give.

[DANDUNGAN]

Originally Posted by OptimistPrime

Absolutely.

I'm wondering how you know that?

[OptimistPrime]

Originally Posted by elucidate

It seems like it's always a case of chop off the snakes head and another grows back in it's place.

I wouldn't say "always". By any objective measure, the world's nations are collectively more democratic and free than they were 50 years ago, and 50 years ago they were more democratic and free than they were 100 years ago. A big element of that change has been the fall of colonialism and the end of the Cold War, certainly, but another contributing factor is that there have been coups and popular uprisings that succeeded in overthrowing dictators and putting something more (though not necessarily fully) democratic and free in place of what came before. Hopefully Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya will (in the long run) all be instances of that. Only time will tell.

Originally Posted by DANDUNGAN

I'm wondering how you know that?

Well, obviously I don't KNOW that; I'm basing it on interviews with Libyans that I've read in the American, British, and Qatari media. If you think the media (or at least the media in those countries) can't be trusted, or that the Libyans they interviewed don't know whether they (the nation as a whole) feel more free or not, well, I don't really know how I could convince you otherwise.

[newmark]

Originally Posted by DANDUNGAN

We all die and probably from our own actions.

Now he's a martyr.

Do Americans and libyans understand each other better? Are the libyans more free now?

We can at least try to choose better ways of living and dying. And, yes, Libyans are certainly freer now.

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by DANDUNGAN

We all die and probably from our own actions.

Now he's a martyr.

Do Americans and libyans understand each other better? Are the libyans more free now?

He's not a martyr at all. His own people hated him and are celebrating in the streets now that he has been brutally murdered and his regime crumbled. That has to tell you just how evil and despised he was. He was also obviously insane.

Do Americans and Libyans understand each other better? What does that have to do with anything at all? This wasn't a war of America's design like the invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan. The only reason the US got involved was because we are part of NATO and we had to uphold our role as such when they decided to get involved. The USA has little/no responsibility for whatever happens in Libya next.

Are the Libyans more free? Yes, at least temporarily. It is up to them to establish their new government though, and nobody can tell for certain how it will turn out.

[maxinatlanta]

LIE 1: “There were Human rights abuses in Libya and Gaddafi killed his own people”



The primary justification for intervention in Libya by NATO was because "there were severe human rights abuses" under Gaddafi's rule. These claims were in reality, far fetched and laughable, because Libya probably had far better human rights than any other country in Africa. What YOU were told by those Mainstream Media fanatics including all those so called "human rights" groups like Amnesty International (which is no doubt another front controlled by the Elite), were all either fabricated lies or deliberately exaggerated for the justified NATO intervention.

This damning piece of evidence (dated 4th January 2011) from the UN Human Rights website which clearly shows undeniable proof that there was absolutely NO EVIDENCE of serious Human Right's abuses as accused by NATO and UN presently.



Whats more, SEVERAL countries even praised Libya's excellent Human rights Track Record but they still decided to topple Gaddafi! Hypocrisy...


LIE 2: “The people of Libya were oppressed and were living in poverty under Gaddafi’s rule"

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This lie is probably the funniest, and the easiest to debunk.

There was very little poverty (almost compared to Western standards) and Libya had literally the best living standards in Africa ranking 55th out of 172 countries (before NATO and Rebel interference) according to the Human Development Index - 0.755


The people in Libya under Gaddafi’s rule had:



Free education,

Free health care,

Free farmland a house and seeds,

Free energy bills,

$50,000 housing money for just married couples,

Interest free loans,

Debt free country,

Government pays half for your car,

Near free gasoline prices
etc.

This country sounds like the American dream which the people of America never had! 

And just to note, almost EVERY country in Africa today is dependent on Foreign Aid, except Libya (during Gaddafi's rule).


LIE 3: Gaddafi was responsible for the Lockerbie Bombing



Libya and Gaddafi was FRAMED for the Lockerbie Bombing. END OFF. This was probably one of the EARLIEST LIES to frame Gaddafi and socially engineer the public’s perception of him.



This is based on the premise that key evidence presented at the trial (e.g. timer fragment, parts from a specific radio cassette model, clothing bought in Malta, bomb suitcase originating at Luqa Airport) was deliberately fabricated by the U.S. and Britain for the "political" purpose of incriminating Libya.



Why?



Because of all the reasons stated above and below. Libya was bad for Big business and Big Banking, so something had to be done – like the Lockerbie Bombing, so that lies could be fabricated and Gaddafi could be demonized over the years until his death.



Even though Gaddafi was never involved in the Lockerbie Bombing, recently the mainstream media is jumping around the fact that he somehow “was”.


LIE 4: “Gaddafi wanted to become the king of Africa and enslave all the people"

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On the contrary, Gaddafi wanted a more united Africa...an Africa which was independent of Western interference and exploitation.


You ever wonder why the billions of $$$ in Aid never actually help the people of Africa in the long term? Because its bad for big business. Simple as that.
If you start getting a stronger Africa both economically and politically, then Big Multinational Corporations would literally be BANKRUPT, DEAD and ERADICATED over night.



Why?



Because their business models literally WORK AND DEPEND on SLAVERY.

Pay some African kid less than a dollar a day to make shoes, and then sell the shoes for $50 in the market. 5000% profit made. Most of it goes to the board of directors not because they are doing good business – but because THEY CAN benefit by exploiting the African people and smacking the “Fair Trade” label on everything so that when we the consumer buy stuff, do not have to feel guilty about buying products made in Third World Countries.





LIE 5: “The wealth of Gaddafi will be redistributed to the people of Libya”



And this is it folks, the biggest lie ever told in the history of Libya (and to the World aswell) - “The wealth of Gaddafi will be redistributed to the people of Libya”



Even if you may still have doubts whether Gaddafi was really the Good guy or not, there is no DENYING about the fact the sole reason why NATO intervened in Libya was due to Economical reasons.



Why punish the banks during an economic crisis when you can easily profit from a war based on a lie?

That’s right folks, Gaddafi wanted OUT of the International Banking Scam which was (still is) gripping the World. The Elite couldn’t have that, so they started a couple of false flag protests, added a pinch of Al Qaeda militants to create bloodshed to make every sap in the World believe Gaddafi was killing his people, and then finally justify military intervention in the name of “FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY.''



As you can see, Libya was truly a far better country before this Illegal Civil War and NATO interference.

Read more at Gaddafi Dead

[Irisha]

If there had been any examples of the documented human rights violations in Libya, they would have been presented to the public. Those who wanted Gaddafi to be eliminated would be shouting about those documents, and everybody could have known about them. But where are they?
The search in the web provides some ridiculous examples of the human rights violations in Libya: the report about 2 or 3 people disappeared, 1 person sentenced to death because of murder, 3 people registered as political prisoners, - their names are given in the report. The report also says that there are hundreds who were in the opposition and who also disappeared. No names, no proofs.
But there are also reports about human rights violations in many other African, Asian countries, in many countries of Latin America on this site. So, there are all the reasons to help those countries as well.
There are also articles about Gaddafi's death, about the Gaddafi Files on the site (no photos, but the description of the content : his photos where he is young, then where he is having meetings with the leaders of foreign countries, the wedding pictures of his daughter, Gaddafi and his family members, and the like.)
Maybe they will publish the documents later? But if they have the information about violation of human rights in Libya, how is it possible that they don't have documents with proofs of that?
human rights abuse in libya - Google Search

[newmark]

The rebellion against Gaddafi didn't happen because of NATO. It happened because the people of Libya - influenced by similar uprisings in many Arab countries - wanted freedom, and began to fight for it. NATO became involved after Gaddafi used the Libyan air force against the citizens of the country.

[illbreaker]

R.I.P. Gadaffi.

[maxinatlanta]

Lybia had free electricity, gas was $0.16. Debt free country, no private central bank. Oh well. The end of free Libya.

Watch This Video and Imagine Obama or Dick Cheney doing something like this in public.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by maxinatlanta

Lybia had free electricity, gas was $0.16. Debt free country, no private central bank. Oh well. The end of free Libya.

Watch This Video and Imagine Obama or Dick Cheney doing something like this in public.

It certainly seems that things have been twisted, but how can we know for sure that this is the truth of things?

Have you spent time in Libya and spoken to lots of people there about Gaddafi and what they really thought and felt towards him, and whether all that was said in that vid is true?

I've lived with a man who told me the same thing years ago...he supported Gaddafi and I never quite understood, but if this is the truth then NATO has a LOT to answer for.

I can definitely see the motivations there for america wanting to make him a scapegoat, if healthcare and life was so good there. They wouldn't want their people getting wind of it and asking why they aren't given the same benefits.

America is supposed to be the #1 nation of nations, that everyone envies and looks up to...but really, their situation is pretty dire in light of the healthcare and the GMO issues in agriculture, and homelessness, and the rest. Not something to be envied at all, but then, they thrive on illusions as long as the rest of the world believes they are the best.

[russianrocket]

So is it a lie, that Gaddafi had $200 BILLION in funds spread across the world? Sure sounds like a guy who wants to provide for his people....


But, as bad as he was, doesn't seem like it's going to get better any time soon.

Libya's transitional leader says Islamic Sharia law will be the "basic source" of all law - Yahoo! News

[maxinatlanta]

Here is brave young lady who visited Lybia and speaks some mind blowing things...

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by newmark

The rebellion against Gaddafi didn't happen because of NATO. It happened because the people of Libya - influenced by similar uprisings in many Arab countries - wanted freedom, and began to fight for it. NATO became involved after Gaddafi used the Libyan air force against the citizens of the country.

The people of Libya loved Gaddafi. Why to be rebellious if Gadaffi managed to make the poorest country in the world to become the richest in Africa?
Gaddafi used the Libyan air force against the "rebels" who were hired by NATO. Look at those "rebels" . Only young people. If they had been the real rebels they would be of different ages. Those "rebels" look so much alike.

Gaddafi's money? Why not to lie about those $200 billion?

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Irisha

The people of Libya loved Gaddafi. Why to be rebellious if Gadaffi managed to make the poorest country in the world to become the richest in Africa?
Gaddafi used the Libyan air force against the "rebels" who were hired by NATO. Look at those "rebels" . Only young people. If they had been the real rebels they would be of different ages. Those "rebels" look so much alike.

Gaddafi's money? Why not to lie about those $200 billion?

Pick one lie or the next. Was it a lie that they hated him or is it a lie that the loved him? What is or isn't a lie, and how can you TRULY know the difference? That's right, you can't. You can talk, and that's about all you have.

[danas]

A fashion icon is dead.
fashion icons should never be killed. imprisoned yes, but not killed like that.
They add so much colorfulness to the world.

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Pick one lie or the next. Was it a lie that they hated him or is it a lie that the loved him? What is or isn't a lie, and how can you TRULY know the difference? That's right, you can't. You can talk, and that's about all you have.

I can also FEEL.
What about the link in the previous post by Maxinatlanta?
Where are the evidences? Where are the documents that there was the violation of human rights in Libya, etc.?
But there IS the evidence that the country from the poorest has become the richest in Africa.

[newmark]

I think there's very little evidence that the people of Libya loved Gaddafi. The fight against him was taken up by more than a few people, and the ages were mixed; although in any war it will mostly be younger people who fight.

Gaddafi had a history of bad actions against others, both inside and outside Libya. The Arab world has freed itself of many dictators recently. I'm pleased that NATO didn't become involved in Tunisia or Egypt; otherwise there would be even more conspiracy theories about how NATO/The West etc, engineered the changes.

[Bliss Sage]

Oh yes, the wailing and grieving in the streets of Libya over the murder of their beloved leader Gaddafi is heart-wrenching. So bereaved are the people of Libya, that they are leaving his body out to rot against their own Islamic tradition so that they can all file by the body and show the spectacle to their children and make sure the devil is really dead.

Truly the behavior of a people who loved their leader - did not overthrow him and did not kill him and did not proceed to rejoice in his death .

No more proof of any evil he did is necessary.

Oh, and providing a blog post as evidence to the contrary...why not just reference a tabloid?

[Irisha]

The situation in Libya is controlled now by the people who won. Not by those who loved Gaddafi. How can their behavior be the proof?

It's not a blog post provided as evidence, but the link to the video from YouTube, with a journalist's report about the events. I don't know how to make a link from YouTube, so that you could open it from this post. There are also many other pro-Gaddafi's videos in YouTube. What other sources of information do you know where you can SEE with your own eyes what is going on? Do you think it was possible for those under NATO bombing to have time to make even more videos ?

As for bad actions against people, there are NO evidences. They don't have the facts to prove that Gaddafi had done something so bad to the people of Libya that they hated him. If he had those facts (photos, names of people) would have been made public. That's why he was killed. No facts, no evidences to take him to the court. He had made people of Libya live better than others in Africa. Is this he was to be hated for, and not loved?
Hatred has come from the people who disliked his politics.

[maxinatlanta]

I witness show by same honest western lady journalist. Unfortunately there is no place for this truthful lady in the western media...

This video was not shown when 1.7 mln people gathered on the square to suppot Gaddafi. Media is rigged...

Unlike Obama or Cameron, Gaddafi was a truly popular leader who listened to the needs & desires of his people. You'd never see demonstrations like this in support of western leaders. Gaddafis popularity in Libya makes perfect sense. He's taken Libya from being a third world country to having the highest standards of living in Africa. Libya's vast oil wealth has been used to benefit the people - unlike other oil rich nations.

[maxinatlanta]

All right , once and forever, for hard getting human beings I will list the reasong why people of Gaddafi hated him so much:

1. Free electricity.

2. Before NATO's invasion, Libya had highest standard of living in Africa, ahead of Russia, Brazil and Saudi Arabia.

3. Healthcare was free during Gaddafi and good quality.

4. All loans are 0% interest free by law.

5. If Libyan buys the car, gov-nt pays 50% of the purchase price.

6. The price of gasoline is $0.14.

7. Any Libian wishing to become a farmer is given :free use of land, a home, equipment, livestock and seeds

8. July 1st , 2011 1.7 million people gathered in Tripoli to stand against NATO - 95% of population of Tripoli. - 1/3 of entire population of Libya.

9. Libyan Central Bank is a STATE owned, unlike all banks in the west... issues DEBT FREE MONEY.

10. In Libya homes are considered a human right. Newly married couples receive $50,000 to buy a new home...

So, above are all the reasons why Lybian people hated the dictator and ruthless oppressor of Libya.

If you did not read the book by Gaddafi - I encourage you to do so. But please, be warned, it can mess with your mind

Just, remember there is a war on your mind.