Muammar Gaddafi is dead

[James Fletcher]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

But, as bad as he was, doesn't seem like it's going to get better any time soon.

Libya's transitional leader says Islamic Sharia law will be the "basic source" of all law - Yahoo! News

True. The Shah of Iran was far from perfect, but compared to what came after his downfall the world certainly felt the pain of his absence.

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by James Fletcher

True. The Shah of Iran was far from perfect, but compared to what came after his downfall the world certainly felt the pain of his absence.

I was thinking about the exact same thing.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by maxinatlanta

Here is brave young lady who visited Lybia and speaks some mind blowing things...

He may have implemented all these things in Libya which won him the hearts and loyalty of his people, or a portion of them anyway, but I'm far from convinced he was an angel by any stretch of the imagination. If anything, being this 'hero' to his people for providing them with everything they need, especially the poorer people, seems almost like he bought their loyalty, and who knows what went on behind closed doors or what his other projects entailed? Perhaps I'm being overly cynical though?

Then again, I have never been to Libya and seen for myself, so, I don't know anything really.

This woman seemed genuinely traumatized by what she had seen, and no doubt her experiences have given her a unique perspective...but she is still a journalist, and who knows...? I lived with a journalist for a year, and nearly married him. He had a gift for twisting things to appear the way he wanted them to, which is what the media does. Who knows where her loyalties lie?

[maxinatlanta]

Let's put it this way.

Do you know what would happen if Gaddafi would implement his plan for a gold dinar ?

You see, nobody cares that much if some Malaysian state has gold dinars circulating around.

But if the leader of Africa would implement such thing, the world leading monetary system which is based on Debt money would collapse.( others would follow immediately). Imagine, they trade their resources for gold, not dollars. $ would become a worthless papers.

Against this gold dinar was USA and Europe.

Do you know what is the first thing - rebels did after Gaddafi was gone ? Set up the new government ?

They set up central Bank. yes...now you have to think why ?

I offer you the list of central banks that are not privatized.

No central bank in 1990:
- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Libya
- Yugoslavia
- Iran
- Cuba
- North Korea
- Syria

"Rogue states" category (US 1990s):
- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Libya
- Yugoslavia
- Iran
- Cuba
- North Korea
- Syria

Central bank by 2011?
- Iraq: Yes, in 2004, US invasion
- Afghanistan: Yes, in 2002, US invasion
- Libya: Yes, Mar 19, 2011, NATO air intervention + advisors in the field
- Yugoslavia: Yes, NATO (US-led) intervention
- Iran: No
- Cuba: No
- North Korea: No
- Syria: No

[Peter T]

I don't know he was good man or bad man but the way he is treated was simply a great human rights violation. Gaddafi was dictator who ruled Libya for more than 40 years but what about Saudi Kings they are also ruling for several generations. Is there any thing like good or bad dictators.

[illbreaker]

[newmark]

Gaddafi's maid was disfigured when the family poured boiling water over her. This is one example.
Lockerbie is another.
The shooting of a policewoman in central London, done from the Libyan embassy is another.

These are just some of the more famous examples.

[elucidate]

I see where you are going with that, and it does seem to be suss.I can definitely see how certain families would not want that to happen.

Originally Posted by maxinatlanta

Let's put it this way.

Do you know what would happen if Gaddafi would implement his plan for a gold dinar ?

You see, nobody cares that much if some Malaysian state has gold dinars circulating around.

But if the leader of Africa would implement such thing, the world leading monetary system which is based on Debt money would collapse.( others would follow immediately). Imagine, they trade their resources for gold, not dollars. $ would become a worthless papers.

Against this gold dinar was USA and Europe.

Do you know what is the first thing - rebels did after Gaddafi was gone ? Set up the new government ?

They set up central Bank. yes...now you have to think why ?

I offer you the list of central banks that are not privatized.

No central bank in 1990:
- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Libya
- Yugoslavia
- Iran
- Cuba
- North Korea
- Syria

"Rogue states" category (US 1990s):
- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Libya
- Yugoslavia
- Iran
- Cuba
- North Korea
- Syria

Central bank by 2011?
- Iraq: Yes, in 2004, US invasion
- Afghanistan: Yes, in 2002, US invasion
- Libya: Yes, Mar 19, 2011, NATO air intervention + advisors in the field
- Yugoslavia: Yes, NATO (US-led) intervention
- Iran: No
- Cuba: No
- North Korea: No
- Syria: No

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by maxinatlanta

Let's put it this way.

Do you know what would happen if Gaddafi would implement his plan for a gold dinar ?

You see, nobody cares that much if some Malaysian state has gold dinars circulating around.

But if the leader of Africa would implement such thing, the world leading monetary system which is based on Debt money would collapse.( others would follow immediately). Imagine, they trade their resources for gold, not dollars. $ would become a worthless papers.

Against this gold dinar was USA and Europe.

Do you know what is the first thing - rebels did after Gaddafi was gone ? Set up the new government ?

They set up central Bank. yes...now you have to think why ?

I offer you the list of central banks that are not privatized.

No central bank in 1990:
- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Libya
- Yugoslavia
- Iran
- Cuba
- North Korea
- Syria

"Rogue states" category (US 1990s):
- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Libya
- Yugoslavia
- Iran
- Cuba
- North Korea
- Syria

Central bank by 2011?
- Iraq: Yes, in 2004, US invasion
- Afghanistan: Yes, in 2002, US invasion
- Libya: Yes, Mar 19, 2011, NATO air intervention + advisors in the field
- Yugoslavia: Yes, NATO (US-led) intervention
- Iran: No
- Cuba: No
- North Korea: No
- Syria: No

Interesting information. Where did you get that?

Who are the owners of the European Central Bank?

[maxinatlanta]

Who are the owners of the European Central Bank?

To answer that question...It's complex. I will try. But don't believe the word I say. Check everything for yourself...

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.

"I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply,"

Nathan Rothschild

"If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied". —

Thomas Jefferson, 1816

Who cares, for the moment, about who controls these institutions. Whats important is that these institutions control our country. We are better off realizing the relationships involved and correcting them instead of trying to isolate each and every "owner".

But if you want to know the owner...

Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence
Published 1976

Chart 1 reveals the linear connection between the Rothschilds and the Bank of England, and the London banking houses which ultimately control the Federal Reserve Banks through their stockholdings of bank stock and their subsidiary firms in New York. The two principal Rothschild representatives in New York, J. P. Morgan Co., and Kuhn,Loeb & Co. were the firms which set up the Jekyll Island Conference at which the Federal Reserve Act was drafted, who directed the subsequent successful campaign to have the plan enacted into law by Congress, and who purchased the controlling amounts of stock in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in 1914...

It's best to think about the central banks in terms of control rather than own.

The House of Rothschild and Rockefeller Family control the Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, Bank of Japan, IMF, World Bank, and European Central Bank and every other proxy bank or currency of the British, European, and US Empire, including the BIS (the Central Bank for Central Banks).

For further study, Google Rothschild history and get to know the family that orchestrated major wars to advance their banking interests and enslavement of nations through paper.

Here is a good start : The history of Rothschild Family

Some other video of interest...

The Money That Is Sold Abroad Is You!

The Story of Your Enslavement

MoneyMasters will explain who runs the show behind Central Banks...

[elucidate]

Interesting.

I was reminded of a passage I read in one of Nostradamus's prophecies where he spoke of the "anti-christ"(666) rising up, and he would be a Mongol. Never knew the Rothschilds were part mongolian.

I think it was around this time too that it was supposed to occur, but it was a long time ago that I read that?

[Brutha]

It seems like it's always a case of chop off the snakes head and another grows back in it's place.

Snakes don't regrow heads A hydra regrows it's heads.

Lockerbie is another.
The shooting of a policewoman in central London, done from the Libyan embassy is another.

It's not like the British MI6 didn't finance terrorists to operate inside Libya. 24C3: What can we do to counter the spies? - YouTube

I think there's very little evidence that the people of Libya loved Gaddafi. The fight against him was taken up by more than a few people, and the ages were mixed; although in any war it will mostly be younger people who fight.

Some areas in Libya supported him while others opposed him.

Interesting information. Where did you get that?

Who are the owners of the European Central Bank?

The European Central bank get's owned by the Central banks in the individual countries.

The German Bundesbank is a completely publically owned organization as are most of the central banks in EU countries.
Italy has some private ownership element in their central bank.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Snakes don't regrow heads A hydra regrows it's heads.

You know what I meant.

Some areas in Libya supported him while others opposed him.
The European Central bank get's owned by the Central banks in the individual countries.

That's my conclusion as well. If only 1.7 million showed up to his big speech, that still leaves 5.3 that didn't, so he obviously wasn't THAT popular.

[CoolBee]

Regarding his death, I'm just clearing old posts from my FB wall and am reminded that on the day he was killed (20th October), I was in the western desert (at Siwa Oasis) around 50km from the Libyan border, in a pharmacy, and there was a tv on - early evening Egypt time so probably mid morning US time. About 30 of us watched in silent fixated horror what may have been an Egyptian or may have been a Libyan news channel showing Gaddaffi being shot in the head more or less on a loop.

Someone shot him in the left temple with a handgun. We didn't see the person who pulled the trigger, just saw it happen.

Anyway, I was then somewhat bemused to read on the net over the next couple of days western news reports that there were doubts as to how he was killed, that he may have been killed in crossfire etc..

It seems to me that the western media did not see this footage which we were watching within an hour or two of him being killed for a couple of days afterwards which I find very surprising. If you saw that footage you would have zero doubt about how he died.

Anyway, I know everyone knows this now, but just my 2 piastras.

[Brutha]

It seems to me that the western media did not see this footage which we were watching within an hour or two of him being killed for a couple of days afterwards which I find very surprising.

Reporting the truth isn't the only consideration that matters in a case like this.

[hamix]

- He shouldn't have been killed.
- Evil is relative. What perchance defines "evil"?

[maxinatlanta]

Ok. 1.7 mln people that showed up in Tripoli is 95% of population of Tripoli. If there is a rally in New York, are you coming all the way from Texas ?

It's like saying. 95% of New Yorkers showed up for the rally , but that' only x amount of 300 millions Americans

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by maxinatlanta

Ok. 1.7 mln people that showed up in Tripoli is 95% of population of Tripoli. If there is a rally in New York, are you coming all the way from Texas ?

It's like saying. 95% of New Yorkers showed up for the rally , but that' only x amount of 300 millions Americans

Yes, true. I just thought in a place like that where they glorify their leader to basically God status, they might make the journey, ya know.