They Want Us DEAD!! - Red Level Alert America

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Yes, this is the crucial word...If!

Sure.

If everyone had plenty of money, life would be easier.

But surely you cannot blame the dentist or the pharmaceutical company for the fact that you do not have enough money.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

What I'm trying to tell you is that there is no conspiracy here. Either that, or it is an extremely stupid & unprofitable conspiracy.

I have already said it's not really a conspiracy to kill people, just stupidity and old ignorance. I will have to read over what you have said though, because I don't quite understand how you can say it's not profitable for them to make us sick, given that they will always come up with something to counter-act the sickness, even if they caused it to begin with.

The vaccinations make people sick though, and they know that these things are bad for peoples health and make them sick, so how do you explain the current apathy towards replacing mercury and formaldehyde and all the other nasties with more acceptable alternatives?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Still though, the fact remains that they are selling people vaccines they don't really need which make them sick, and then sell them more drugs to "cure" their sickness, whether that was your point or not.

I don't go the flu shots either, even though my employer would pay for them.

The reason why I don't go for the flu shots is that it is clearly explained that the flu shot is only for particular strains of flu. And the flu bug is quite mutable.

In other words, a flu shot may protect you against one particular strain of flu, but there could be eight other strains of flu out there (including new strains that developed last month or last week) that the flu shot cannot protect you against.

So you do get your protection, but only against a particular strain. Furthermore the immunity wears off - they advise that it's typically good for a year, I think.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Sure.

If everyone had plenty of money, life would be easier.

But surely you cannot blame the dentist or the pharmaceutical company for the fact that you do not have enough money.

Did I say I blamed them for this?

In a perfect world we would all have the resources to make more money...and we do have the potential to, of course. It takes a lot of work to dismantle poverty mindset, and embrace an abundance mindset...and the people on this board have followed their own promptings that got them this far...and yay for us.

For the majority of people out there though, who don't even know they can do any better, or have low self-image and low self-esteem, and poor programming which they aren't even aware of LOA or their potential as humans, are they just supposed to grin and bare it with a mouthful of heavy metal because the porcelain alternative is out of reach?

That's life...they do grin and bare it, and most would never even know what caused them to get sick, and with the amount of various influences in the world today that could cause cancer or anything else that's popular.

That's just the way it is. Porcelain costs more to buy from the dentists point of view, so they have to cover their expenses, but lets face it, dentists charge a fortune for what is often a very small issue and short procedure. They charge for their time, and that's fair enough...they spent lots of years getting qualified so they can look after our teeth.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I don't go the flu shots either, even though my employer would pay for them.

The reason why I don't go for the flu shots is that it is clearly explained that the flu shot is only for particular strains of flu. And the flu bug is quite mutable.

In other words, a flu shot may protect you against one particular strain of flu, but there could be eight other strains of flu out there (including new strains that developed last month or last week) that the flu shot cannot protect you against.

So you do get your protection, but only against a particular strain. Furthermore the immunity wears off - they advise that it's typically good for a year, I think.

Yes, it's the same where I work, and the women I work with who are microbiologists all refuse to get the shots. My head supervisor says it's just not necessary. A healthy immune system is only healthy and strong because it's job is to fight viruses and invaders. If there is something doing the job for it, then it gets lazy and is more likely to not work as well when the person is in immediate threat of infection from whatever.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I don't quite understand how you can say it's not profitable for them to make us sick, given that they will always come up with something to counter-act the sickness

Because there is no medicine for autism.

how do you explain the current apathy towards replacing mercury and formaldehyde and all the other nasties with more acceptable alternatives?

According to Wikipedia, there are a couple of different types of vaccine preservatives, but thimerosal has the following advantages:

1. more effective against bacteria;
2. has better shelf life, and
3. improves vaccine stability, potency, and safety.

Anyway, it's not correct to say that there is apathy, because thimerosal has indeed been replaced in the US and the EU and various countries, for childhood vaccines.

Broader answer I have for you is that it takes time to invent and create better products or solutions for anything, and there are only so many scientists and engineers in the world. Every year, the medical world announces new discoveries but there is an endless number of other things that need further research, and furthermore there is lag time before a better product/solution (in any field or industry) can be rolled out on a large scale.

According to my Googling, on average it takes 12 years for a new drug, to get from the laboratory to the pharmacy shelf.

Drug Approval Process Information

So even if I found a miracle drug to cure AIDS tomorrow, you'll have to wait till the year 2035 to see it being sold in a pharmacy.

[Vaganova]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

It really depends on how you look at it.

In general, life expectancy is climbing steadily all over the world. People are living longer and longer.

More people die of cancer these days, because they live long enough to get it. In the past, chances are that they would have died from cholera, polio, tuberculosis, smallpox, typhoid fever and so on.

There are rock sculptures in England that were built by tribes of people who considered 25 to be "old".

The black plague took out a lot of people at really "young" ages.

What we have on our hands is a bit like this: a guy looks at a math problem. He can't figure out how it works. So he sits down and finally, after a very long time, finds the solution.

That solution on the other hand, is its own math problem. The same procedure that got him to the first solution won't get him out of this math problem, and no one has ever seen this problem before.

"Oooh hey! If I vaccinate people against Small Pox, they live longer!! Awesome!!! Oooh hey! If I vaccinate people against Polio, they live longer!! Awesome!!! Ooh hey! There are other diseases. If it worked on Small Pox and Polio, then maybe it'll work on these...

Oh, and by the way, in a world where little slips of paper are exchanged as votes of quality of service, I end up with a lot of little slips of paper. Even more awesome!!!

Oh hey... um. Small Pox is gone, Polio is gone, now we're dealing with something new. Diabetes. Vaccine doesn't work on that. What does? Um. Um. Um. Not sure yet.

JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE BEFORE US DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH SMALL POX!!!

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Because there is no medicine for autism.

Ok. I get that. But as I said, autism is only ONE of the possible outcomes of exposure to mercury. And it's not just mercury that's worrying in these vaccinations either, there are so many really putrid things that go into them as preservatives, that I cannot see any need for.

I'm not a scientist of course, and maybe they have some rational , reasonable, sane reason, except they aren't making it known to the general public what those reasons are, so how are we supposed to just sit back and accept that this is what is being put in our bodies...supposedly to help us?

According to Wikipedia, there are a couple of different types of vaccine preservatives, but thimerosal has the following advantages:

1. more effective against bacteria;
2. has better shelf life, and
3. improves vaccine stability, potency, and safety.

Ok, well, I can see how that makes sense from their point of view. It's still a poisonous heavy metal that has been deemed unfit by government, so unless the ratio is so minute that it is barely even registerable, it's still a red flag in most peoples minds.

Anyway, it's not correct to say that there is apathy, because thimerosal has indeed been replaced in the US and the EU and various countries, for childhood vaccines.

Well, that's good for the kids. How about for adults though? If this were the case, so many people would not be getting outraged about it currently, unless of course they have got the wrong information, which is possible?

Broader answer I have for you is that it takes time to invent and create better products or solutions for anything, and there are only so many scientists and engineers in the world. Every year, the medical world announces new discoveries but there is an endless number of other things that need further research, and furthermore there is lag time before a better product/solution (in any field or industry) can be rolled out on a large scale.

According to my Googling, on average it takes 12 years for a new drug, to get from the laboratory to the pharmacy shelf.

Drug Approval Process Information

Ok, this makes sense. Thanks for explaining that for me and anyone lurking. It's good food for though, and it's important to be rational.

[DarkTears]

yay other people who dont take flu shots like me, everyone tells me that i wont get sick yadda yadda but when I do get sick you cant tell the difference from me and the next guy who is also sick, i get sick alot the usual, but I always manage its not like im gonna die because I have a flu every 5 or 7 months also just because you took a flu shot for that specific kind of flu doesnt mean that it will work to prevent getting the flu....................not that I have read, too lazy to delete and yes I know I started late.........


anyways, the world cant live with just positive energy or it will just crumble as the same for negative energy, if its only negative energy, the world would still crumble.........


just a question is anyone on the run or to say is being followed, or chased by someone and might get killed by that person, and the person who is running is crying and hoping it will all end.....?

sorry I put that their my mind went somewhere else and i accidentally typed that..............im not deleting cause I feel something "Interesting" might happen .......

[James Fletcher]

I'm no pharmaceutical company fan boy. But the whole 'flu shot conspiracy' sounds a little too tin foil hat to deserve much credibility.

[ZephyrusX]

If you expand this to include the global medical and pharmaceutical industry, I'd say the problem is more about copyright legislation, its basic philosophy and practicalities and TRIPS (international copyright legislation covering countries that are protected by the IMF and WB). Most people will peg the IMF and the World Bank as institutions of the West (and they probably are to a large degree), but it is interesting to note that changes within the TRIPS legislation have been very successfully exploited by governments, such as Brazil and Thailand, who grant pharmaceutical companies permission to produce low cost generic copies of anti-retroviral drugs that are still covered by copyright legislation else where. They get away with it because they declare their HIV/AIDS situation as an emergency and there is a clause in the TRIPS legislation that allows for this. I'm under the impression though that the pharmaceutical companies mainly back off from governments doing this as they are afraid of losing more power in the IMF and WB. I don't think Brazil formally got permission to do this from the IMF; they do it because they have the political leverage to do it.

In response though, I've heard that the US has been putting more attention on bilateral trade agreements as they think they will get a stronger and more beneficial agreement compared to the TRIPS legislation.

My point really is that there is no one world government. There are only conflicting interests and even pharmaceutical companies compete with each other giving the playing field that they are given (laws, populations, technology etc).

Originally Posted by elucidate

That's just the way it is. Porcelain costs more to buy from the dentists point of view, so they have to cover their expenses, but lets face it, dentists charge a fortune for what is often a very small issue and short procedure. They charge for their time, and that's fair enough...they spent lots of years getting qualified so they can look after our teeth.