They Want Us DEAD!! - Red Level Alert America

[Bliss Sage]

Did someone say vaccination?

I've been wanting to post this somewhere

AFP: Finland vows care for narcolepsy kids who had swine flu shot

This article combines both disease resulting from swine flu vaccination and the added fun of stoking the Americans' dread of having the government pay for their health bills

In terms of credibility, I've found articles in Finnish sources (newspapers and other official sites) about it, in Finnish, so it's true.

I haven't read the article on this thread, because I really hate and kind of resent the title of the thread. The first question in my head was, was the OP a Republican and I figured it was about Muslim terrorists coming to kill Americans.

So it's not.

About the so-called conspiracy theories, particularly the one I saw on the movie Zeitgeist, all I can is that day by day, I see more and more evidence of it, as every prediction in that plan comes true. They mentioned something about implanting chips in humans and abolishing cash, so that if a person behaves in some way they don't like, they can just turn off the chip and the person doesn't exist and has no way to live.

Cash-free payment is being advertised all over the town I live in, which is not in the U.S.

And surprise, surprise:

Want a RFID Chip In Your Pants? No? Well They're Coming Anyway | The Vigilant Citizen

Watch the Zeitgeist movie, then open your eyes and pay attention to the news and all the surroundings and year-by-year watch how the ridiculed "conspiracy theory" unfolds.

People who are afraid of conspiracy theories never offer any response when valid facts are in direct contradiction with the accepted media story - this is especially true in the case of 9/11. There are more facts in that case to validate the so-called conspiracy theory than the other version, which is the real conspiracy.

And what's with flu shots?? All my life I had never heard of such a thing, then all of a sudden people are getting shots every year so they don't get sick in the winter? And then people I know who get the shot get sick anyway? Lol.

That hasn't been around for very long. I don't know when they made that vaccine up, but I made it well into my 30's before I ever heard of it. I think it's absurd.

I just want to add that I don't give a rat's a§§ about it either. I had already washed my hands of this world before I ever found out about any potential conspiracy theory. I will be safe, and then I will die and never look back.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Bliss Sage

And what's with flu shots?? All my life I had never heard of such a thing, then all of a sudden people are getting shots every year so they don't get sick in the winter? And then people I know who get the shot get sick anyway? Lol.

That hasn't been around for very long. I don't know when they made that vaccine up, but I made it well into my 30's before I ever heard of it. I think it's absurd.

The flu shots are meant to be mainly for the elderly and the very young, as they are considered 'weaker' in immunity and constitution, though it really depends on the individual. Some older people are really tough, despite appearing frail, and with kids, they are SUPPOSED to get sick, so their immune systems can strengthen for when they get older.

What's in the flu vaccinations is likely to make a person even sicker, and even my supervisor at work, who is a scientist, refuses to have the injections each year, as they are given out freely to staff where I work. I can never get a straight answer when I ask why it's necessary to use formaldehyde and all the other nasties that make up the vaccinations...mercury...ah, exsqueeze me...why is it necessary to put a poisonous heavy metal into a persons blood stream to prevent the flu? Can anyone give me a reasonable, sane answer to that one?

I've seen the written manifestos where the Australian government have acknowledged that mercury is not something to be put inside a human being, and still pass it as "Safe" to use in amalgam fillings anyway?? Why?

People can bury their heads in the sand all they want, it's not making an inch of difference though to what is going on. Opening your eyes will though. Your denial and ignorance is what they rely on.

[superfoodist]

People can bury their heads in the sand all they want, it's not making an inch of difference though to what is going on. Opening your eyes will though. Your denial and ignorance is what they rely on.

I like you elucidate

[maxinatlanta]

Superfoodist. I agree that we need to know what is going on Yes, FDA and CDC are on Big Pharma payroll with Quackwatch getting paid by same organization "demonizing" alternative cancer cures and chasing out everyone who cures naturally out of the country. Watch Movies About Cancer (there are 15 of them.

However, superfodiest I somewaht disagree with the name that "They want us dead - Read Alert " . What they want is one thing. We are 99%. Occupy Wall Street is just showing that we want our voice back. People are tired to get pushed around. But have you ever wondered why "those behind the curtain" keep pushing us to the boundaries ? Why they doing it ? DO they hope we will not do anything ?

The sad part of all of it is that events like "Healing Cancer World Summit"
( the summit of alternative cancer treatments ) is free for everyone to attend from your home...and you can register free. For some reason mainstream media does not cover this event. No wonder, Drug companies pitch in a lot of money for drug commercials and alternative cancer treatments are cheap.

So, it takes one citizen, who's father died from Brain tumour to put this seminar together.....Do you wonder why ? Why it's not put together by the government, American Cancer Society ?

Because, unfortunately cancer is a big business... Patient is a commodity...

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by elucidate

People can bury their heads in the sand all they want, it's not making an inch of difference though to what is going on. Opening your eyes will though. Your denial and ignorance is what they rely on.

Well said. Not everything is a conspiracy, but I think everyone (hopefully) can agree on one thing: the government does not love you, lots of people that don't love or care about you have agendas. I don't see how that could be denied.

I read this today, it was refreshing. It's much more empowered than the usual (I would add fear and intimidation to the list of "the powers that were" rely on)

Disclosure Imminent? Part II: Many More Bases Destroyed

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by maxinatlanta

For some reason mainstream media does not cover this event. No wonder, Drug companies pitch in a lot of money for drug commercials and alternative cancer treatments are cheap.

So your media organizations are in cahoots with your drug companies and all of them are also in cahoots with the government, which according to the OP, is in cahoots with the banks, which also control the secret machines that manufacture hurricanes and earthquakes. Wow ...

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by maxinatlanta

Superfoodist. I agree that we need to know what is going on Yes, FDA and CDC are on Big Pharma payroll with Quackwatch getting paid by same organization "demonizing" alternative cancer cures and chasing out everyone who cures naturally out of the country.

They are not chasing everyone who cures naturally out of the country. There are plenty of alternative options in this country for people who want to give it a go -- like the Gerson Institute, as you mention Charlotte Gerson in your post. The FDA doesn't "demonize" alternative cancer cures -- it has a policy that a 'cure' has to have a specific level of scientific proof before it's legal to market it as a 'cure.'

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

So your media organizations are in cahoots with your drug companies and all of them are also in cahoots with the government, which according to the OP, is in cahoots with the banks, which also control the secret machines that manufacture hurricanes and earthquakes. Wow ...

You don't think that type of technology is possible? Personally I wouldn't doubt it, but I also don't blindly believe it.

[NoJobRob]

Originally Posted by elucidate

The flu shots are meant to be mainly for the elderly and the very young, as they are considered 'weaker' in immunity and constitution, though it really depends on the individual. Some older people are really tough, despite appearing frail, and with kids, they are SUPPOSED to get sick, so their immune systems can strengthen for when they get older.

What's in the flu vaccinations is likely to make a person even sicker, and even my supervisor at work, who is a scientist, refuses to have the injections each year, as they are given out freely to staff where I work. I can never get a straight answer when I ask why it's necessary to use formaldehyde and all the other nasties that make up the vaccinations...mercury...ah, exsqueeze me...why is it necessary to put a poisonous heavy metal into a persons blood stream to prevent the flu? Can anyone give me a reasonable, sane answer to that one?

I've seen the written manifestos where the Australian government have acknowledged that mercury is not something to be put inside a human being, and still pass it as "Safe" to use in amalgam fillings anyway?? Why?

People can bury their heads in the sand all they want, it's not making an inch of difference though to what is going on. Opening your eyes will though. Your denial and ignorance is what they rely on.

I haven't been sick since I stopped getting flu shots a few years ago. Might just be coincidence though, but that's one hell of a coincidence. LOL I used to get sick 2 or 3 times a year, now I get sick 0 times a year...

[ZephyrusX]

I like this.

I agree with pianoperformer at the same time though. I think the article is written from a paradigm of fear and adversity. Although the article raises some very real problems, in my own experience, it hardly ever makes a difference when we approach those problems from a 'us vs them' mentality. The world is not immutable; we can change it. There is no 'one world government'; there are only conflicting interests that are amendable to personal influence.

Be the change that you want to be and have the courage to negotiate with people who may have conflicting interests as human beings and not as distorted objects of your own personal projections.

Originally Posted by elucidate

People can bury their heads in the sand all they want, it's not making an inch of difference though to what is going on. Opening your eyes will though. Your denial and ignorance is what they rely on.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Harmonium

You don't think that type of technology is possible? Personally I wouldn't doubt it, but I also don't blindly believe it.

The insurance companies must be very upset with the banks. I mean, when banks make earthquakes and floods, who gets to suffer huge losses? The insurance companies, of course.

But wait. When a natural disaster hits a densely populated area, don't the banks suffer too? I mean, they granted housing loans and mortgages over most of the buildings residential, commercial and industrial), and now, most of the buildings have fallen down, collapsed, become damaged, and fallen sharply in value. Isn't that terrible for the banks?

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by NoJobRob

I haven't been sick since I stopped getting flu shots a few years ago. Might just be coincidence though, but that's one hell of a coincidence. LOL I used to get sick 2 or 3 times a year, now I get sick 0 times a year...

You also said you've given up influences like alcohol, did I read smoking as well? You're immune system has a chance to do it's job now without being interfered with.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Harmonium

You don't think that type of technology is possible? Personally I wouldn't doubt it, but I also don't blindly believe it.

Tesla invented some pretty gnarly little machines in his time, and knowing how to harness free energy and what it can do. It sounds like a comic book story of the good guy using the machine for the good of mankind while the bad guys who plots for world domination has other ideas.

In that sense it's all a little too hokey, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. Everything that has come from the mind of man has ended up becoming a reality at some point.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

The insurance companies must be very upset with the banks. I mean, when banks make earthquakes and floods, who gets to suffer huge losses? The insurance companies, of course.

But wait. When a natural disaster hits a densely populated area, don't the banks suffer too? I mean, they granted housing loans and mortgages over most of the buildings residential, commercial and industrial), and now, most of the buildings have fallen down, collapsed, become damaged, and fallen sharply in value. Isn't that terrible for the banks?

Yes, but you forgot about the aliens. They are the ones who are actually in charge.

[Acting Like Godot]

As for mercury in flu shots - I understand that the mercury is needed for something called thimerosal, which is a preservative for vaccine. Thimerosal has been used as a vaccine preservative since the 1930s.

The fact that it's been used for 80 years in vaccines doesn't mean that it's necessarily a good idea. In fact, since around 1999, some health authorities have taken the view that the use of thimerosal should be reduced or stopped, especially with regard to childhood vaccines.

Whatever the case may be, the fact that thimerosal has been used for so long suggests that either

1. there is no conspiracy around its use, to deliberately make people ill; or

2. there is a conspiracy, and it's been going on for 80 years.

I find (2) very difficult to accept, because the world's major pharma companies probably didn't even exist in the 1930s.

The other reason why I find (2) unbelievable is simply the competitive nature of business today. If I were a pharma company and you are a pharma company, and I find that you are using thimerosal and there really isn't any good reason for it, I'd seek to ruin you by telling the world what you're doing. Quite apart from doing my civic duty to the world, it's also a good idea for me to ruin my business competitors.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

As for mercury in flu shots - I understand that the mercury is needed for something called thimerosal, which is a preservative for vaccine. Thimerosal has been used as a vaccine preservative since the 1930s.

The fact that it's been used for 80 years in vaccines doesn't mean that it's necessarily a good idea. In fact, since around 1999, some health authorities have taken the view that the use of thimerosal should be reduced or stopped, especially with regard to childhood vaccines.

Whatever the case may be, the fact that thimerosal has been used for so long suggests that either

1. there is no conspiracy around its use, to deliberately make people ill; or

2. there is a conspiracy, and it's been going on for 80 years.

I find (2) very difficult to accept, because the world's major pharma companies probably didn't even exist in the 1930s.

The other reason why I find (2) unbelievable is simply the competitive nature of business today. If I were a pharma company and you are a pharma company, and I find that you are using thimerosal and there really isn't any good reason for it, I'd seek to ruin you by telling the world what you're doing. Quite apart from doing my civic duty to the world, it's also a good idea for me to ruin my business competitors.

Yes, I agree with you here.

I don't think there is or has ever been any conspiracy to want to kill the population. The issue is that they were just plumb ignorant of the dangers of mercury back when this was introduced.

They are not ignorant of it anymore though, and have even admitted in official manifestos, like the one I read with my own eyes, that it is not good to inject this into humans, and yet they still deem the use of mercury in amalgam fillings to be "safe" when it is clearly not.

I'm not sure how that can be argued towards the ignorance angle, unless the mercury is so hardened that even if the person has had the fillings their whole life and have chipped away at it by grinding their teeth over the years, and particles of the stuff are swallowed, that perhaps this is not enough to actually accumulate and cause any real trouble later in life?

I was always told at school that it only took a minute amount of liquid mercury to get on your hand and soak into your blood to poison you, but perhaps they were just hyping it up to make us scared and extra careful to not break thermometers during experiments in the lab?

That's the only thing I can think of. These days there are a plethora of various preservatives that can be used...they don't need to put formaldehyde (embalming fluid for goodness sake) or mercury into the vaccines, so why are they still doing it?

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

The insurance companies must be very upset with the banks. I mean, when banks make earthquakes and floods, who gets to suffer huge losses? The insurance companies, of course.

But wait. When a natural disaster hits a densely populated area, don't the banks suffer too? I mean, they granted housing loans and mortgages over most of the buildings residential, commercial and industrial), and now, most of the buildings have fallen down, collapsed, become damaged, and fallen sharply in value. Isn't that terrible for the banks?

I think you might've missed the part where I asked if you thought the technology is possible

So if the technology is theoretically possible maybe even plausible, you can't imagine anyone being able to employ it to their benefit?

[Acting Like Godot]

The only use I could see for it is as a weapon for war.

I think that a much more plausible explanation for destructive storms and hurricanes etc is just the effects of plain old global warming.

Arguably, the construction and property industries could profit from natural disasters, as they could profit from the rebuilding projects.

But hey, why would the banks allow that to happen? (They stand to be the losers. Don't forget, the banks are secretly the Masters of the Universe.

[garentee]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Yes, I agree with you here.

I don't think there is or has ever been any conspiracy to want to kill the population. The issue is that they were just plumb ignorant of the dangers of mercury back when this was introduced.

They are not ignorant of it anymore though, and have even admitted in official manifestos, like the one I read with my own eyes, that it is not good to inject this into humans, and yet they still deem the use of mercury in amalgam fillings to be "safe" when it is clearly not.

I'm not sure how that can be argued towards the ignorance angle, unless the mercury is so hardened that even if the person has had the fillings their whole life and have chipped away at it by grinding their teeth over the years, and particles of the stuff are swallowed, that perhaps this is not enough to actually accumulate and cause any real trouble later in life?

I was always told at school that it only took a minute amount of liquid mercury to get on your hand and soak into your blood to poison you, but perhaps they were just hyping it up to make us scared and extra careful to not break thermometers during experiments in the lab?

That's the only thing I can think of. These days there are a plethora of various preservatives that can be used...they don't need to put formaldehyde (embalming fluid for goodness sake) or mercury into the vaccines, so why are they still doing it?

There is not a conspiracy to kill us.. there may be one to make us just sick enough to need to use all sorts of ridiculous "medications".. INCLUDING vaccines. I will concur that there have been some good things that have been eradicated by vaccines, but there are too many and they are going too far with the need to vaccinate. The cure for Everything is abundant in nature.. only we spend way too much time trying to master nature for profit by destroying or outlawing natural medicines to notice.

[Acting Like Godot]

The way I look at it -

in a free market, any plan by a corporation to sell you an evil, bad thing is always going to be mitigated / counteracted / attacked, by another corporation's plan to sell you a good, useful thing.

Imagine that you are Corporation X, and you sell vaccines that purport to stop a certain disease, but your vaccine has certain side effects.

Now, if I were Corporation Y, I would seek to invent a vaccine that stops the same disease, but without the side effects.

Once I've achieved that, I'll sing loudly to the world about why your vaccine is lousy and mine is much superior.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by garentee

There is not a conspiracy to kill us.. there may be one to make us just sick enough to need to use all sorts of ridiculous "medications".. INCLUDING vaccines. I will concur that there have been some good things that have been eradicated by vaccines, but there are too many and they are going too far with the need to vaccinate. The cure for Everything is abundant in nature.. only we spend way too much time trying to master nature for profit by destroying or outlawing natural medicines to notice.

I agree. The fact that they know what mercury can do to a human and still allow it to be used as preservatives and in amalgam, suggests that they are deliberately not doing anything to change the situation...which prompts the obvious question, Why?

They want to keep us just sick enough so that we continue buying medicines from pharmaceutical companies.

It's sick! They're sick, people are sick...and the PLANET itself is SICK!

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

The way I look at it -

in a free market, any plan by a corporation to sell you an evil, bad thing is always going to be mitigated / counteracted / attacked, by another corporation's plan to sell you a good, useful thing.

Imagine that you are Corporation X, and you sell vaccines that purport to stop a certain disease, but your vaccine has certain side effects.

Now, if I were Corporation Y, I would seek to invent a vaccine that stops the same disease, but without the side effects.

Once I've achieved that, I'll sing loudly to the world about why your vaccine is lousy and mine is much superior.

That's why it's sick!

We wouldn't need the other if the first wasn't being sold to us. They are making us sick just to make us "well" again. That's sick! It's turning people into puppets for profit.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I agree. The fact that they know what mercury can do to a human and still allow it to be used as preservatives and in amalgam, suggests that they are deliberately not doing anything to change the situation...which prompts the obvious question, Why?

Because you don't want to pay for the more-expensive alternatives.

In my country, if you go to a half-decent dentist, you will be told of the various alternatives. For example, mercury is used for silver filings - it is not necessary for gold fillings, or porcelain fillings, or resin fillings.

Gold/porcelain and resin fillings do not contain mercury. They also cost more. If you are willing, sure, you get to have those.

It's no different from organic food. Sure, everyone can buy organic vegetables - if they can afford them.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by elucidate

We wouldn't need the other if the first wasn't being sold to us. They are making us sick just to make us "well" again.

I think you didn't read my post carefully ...

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by elucidate

They want to keep us just sick enough so that we continue buying medicines from pharmaceutical companies.

Actually the main concern about mercury in vaccines is that it could possibly lead to autism.

However, autism can't be treated by medicines from pharmaceutical companies. So they can't make any money that way.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Because you don't want to pay for the more-expensive alternatives.

Don't want, or don't have the money for? I think you will find in most peoples cases, it's the latter.

In my country, if you go to a half-decent dentist, you will be told of the various alternatives. For example, mercury is used for silver filings - it is not necessary for gold fillings, or porcelain fillings, or resin fillings.

Gold/porcelain and resin fillings do not contain mercury. They also cost more. If you are willing, sure, you get to have those.

Again, we're talking about the majority of people here who cannot afford these things. You speak of it as though they have a choice...most people are stuck with public dental because unless they have a generous parent or win the lottery, they simply don't have a spare K lying around, and if they are like me, they will go for years without getting the work that needs to be done done. I finally caved in and asked daddy, because I was in such excruciating pain, that I couldn't stand it anymore.

It's no different from organic food. Sure, everyone can buy organic vegetables - if they can afford them.

Yes, this is the crucial word...If!

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Actually the main concern about mercury in vaccines is that it could possibly lead to autism.

Autism may be the condition they are mainly concerned about, but it's certainly not the only condition that can come about by mercury poisoning.

However, autism can't be treated by medicines from pharmaceutical companies. So they can't make any money that way.

How terrible for them.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by elucidate

It's sick! They're sick, people are sick...and the PLANET itself is SICK!

It really depends on how you look at it.

In general, life expectancy is climbing steadily all over the world. People are living longer and longer.

More people die of cancer these days, because they live long enough to get it. In the past, chances are that they would have died from cholera, polio, tuberculosis, smallpox, typhoid fever and so on.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by elucidate

How terrible for them.

What I'm trying to tell you is that there is no conspiracy here. Either that, or it is an extremely stupid & unprofitable conspiracy.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I think you didn't read my post carefully ...

I see what you meant now, and it wasn't what I was talking about.

Still though, the fact remains that they are selling people vaccines they don't really need which make them sick, and then sell them more drugs to "cure" their sickness, whether that was your point or not.