Wall Street Protests

[russianrocket]

so is it fair for the owner of the park to have to deal with these people?

Unsanitary Conditions At Protesters' Park


They are breaking the rules, and are being coddled to by the city. If I were the park owner, I'd be suing the city for every cent of damage done to my park. This is a PRIVATELY owned park, and the Mayor is allowing them to stay there.

[Solipsist]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I know a guy who makes a lot of money and loves to speed on the roads on his motorbike. He has been caught many times and has no issue with paying the fines, in fact, he is so blase about it that it's worrying...all he cares about is the rush of speeding and having fun and because he can afford to pay the fines, he simply doesn't care.

It's not just money that talks. I have a similar story...

The brother of an old boss used to race his rice-burner all over the place, all the time. Once, he even explained how he almost killed himself when a baby racoon emerged from withing the engine workings of his bike, and tried crawling down the back of his shirt while he was riding.

Anyway, he was constantly pulled over, but whenever he waved in front of them an old commemorative badge he once received from a local fire department for doing some kind of charity work, years ago, they just let him go. Every time.

That's how justice works in this country, anymore; that's how the power structure works, anymore--you scratch their back, they scratch yours. And if you don't, well, you better hope you have a good lawyer.

As for your friend, there are laws in many places that dictate that if you get busted enough times for speeding or reckless driving, your license is suspended. In Germany, from what I understand, they pull your license, it's gone forever.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Sure...so maybe he doesn't ALWAYS do it...just now and then, so it doesn't ruffle anyone's feathers too much. If he did it regularly then obviously he wouldn't be allowed to continue. Some people are really sneaky though, and also calculated with the risks they take.

Well, one would think that someone so sneeky and calculated, wouldn't be making a bunch of mistakes. Especially ones that would do enough damage that would cause the issues we have with stock prices, right?

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Solipsist

It's not just money that talks. I have a similar story...

The brother of an old boss used to race his rice-burner all over the place, all the time. Once, he even explained how he almost killed himself when a baby racoon emerged from withing the engine workings of his bike, and tried crawling down the back of his shirt while he was riding.

Anyway, he was constantly pulled over, but whenever he waved in front of them an old commemorative badge he once received from a local fire department for doing some kind of charity work, years ago, they just let him go. Every time.

That's how justice works in this country, anymore; that's how the power structure works, anymore--you scratch their back, they scratch yours. And if you don't, well, you better hope you have a good lawyer.

As for your friend, there are laws in many places that dictate that if you get busted enough times for speeding or reckless driving, your license is suspended. In Germany, from what I understand, they pull your license, it's gone forever.

Oh, I can believe it. I knew some guys from my hometown that got away with the most incredible things because their father was a senator. I found out recently their little brother got away with manslaughter in beverly hills after a hit and run.

I'm sure that would go on here if the person was, say, a mason perhaps.

I think he did get suspended a few times...but that didn't stop him. Even people who are caught drink driving and have their licenses revoked can re-apply for it at a later date, but they obviously have to prove they are reformed.

I would never take that job, but I'm a hard nut. I don't believe drink drivers, most of them anyway, ever learn their lesson, until someone is dead.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Well, one would think that someone so sneeky and calculated, wouldn't be making a bunch of mistakes. Especially ones that would do enough damage that would cause the issues we have with stock prices, right?

One would think, wouldn't one?

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Here is a much better reason why Italy's stock market is so volatile.

The country is having one of the world's lowest rates of economic growth; the government has a huge amount of public debt; and it has a debt crisis.

Why is Italy now at center of Europe's debt crisis? - CNN

No. They drink too much coffee which results in an overactive mind which leads erratic to behavior.

[russianrocket]

It's ironic that most of these people don't pay any taxes, yet most want rich people to pay more and more taxes.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Solipsist

I'm not putting all the blame on the banks, and if you look at my previous posts, you'll see that I don't do that. ALG, however, IS putting all the blame on house buyers, though, no doubt because he's a banker, or affiliated with banking, and wants all blame shifted from his side of the equation.

You speak too soon, rr. You make assumptions. You infer things into what I'm saying. I've never owned a house, and i certainly don't ever plan on owning a house, at least until a) housing prices come down to reasonable levels, meaning that it doesn't require two full-time incomes to support one, and b) all the corruption and collusion between all banks and governments cease (which isn't likely to happen, despite the protests--they all have too much power, and too many apologists like yourself). I also talked at length to everyone I knew about the housing situation, and how it was destined to collapse, because so many people were buying overpriced houses with ridiculously concocted mortgages. IOW, i saw it coming.

But, you simply put too many words into my mouth, rr, and you're very difficult to communicate with because of that.

lol you left me negative rep for this? Ironically, I had multiple people leave a positive rep for the same comment you neged me on.

I don't remember you answering me. What assumptions did I make about you?

[Solipsist]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

lol you left me negative rep for this? Ironically, I had multiple people leave a positive rep for the same comment you neged me on.

I don't remember you answering me. What assumptions did I make about you?

Okay, well, I'm not other people, and to be honest, I don't even remember which post the negative rep was for, but the reason I repped it was because you were either making assumptions, or simply misunderstanding what I was saying, only to regurgitate back to me, as if I was making the opposite point. Our very conversation started, I believe, with your implied criticism of me for supporting the movement's accusations against greedy corporations, when I had stated before that, that I believed the problem to be with the collusion between corporations and government. I finally had to spell it out to you in a clarifying post. I would make references, but they are quite numerous, and it would basically take me the rest of the night to re-read and cite it all. I would suggest that if you really wonder what assumptions you're making, to start with the post I negged you on.

Otherwise, from what I gather from the character you reveal here, we both seem to be of similar opinions regarding a number of issues (particularly in our distrust of socialism and government), but for whatever reason (perhaps because I still supported the movement?), you seemed to manufacture ideological differences, and assumed that I either said or implied something, which I clearly did not.

[Peterw]

They start in London tomorrow...

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[garentee]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

It's ironic that most of these people don't pay any taxes, yet most want rich people to pay more and more taxes.

There are reasons for this...mostly due to low incomes. It is certainly not true that they pay NO taxes, just not the federal income taxes. The reason we are in this mess is because we cut taxes to the wealthy and got ourselves into three wars which we borrowed money for..I do not advocate being up at the 90% tax rate that was the case 50 years ago, but a fair taxation based on the ABILITY to pay does make sense. A lot of the wealthy people do use the numerous tax loophole to pay far far less taxes. At the end of the day I do think people should be allowed to keep as much money as possible without bankrupting our society. Banruptcy of our society seems to be happening right now...
Why do half of Americans pay no federal income tax? - CSMonitor.com

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by elucidate

You took that quote out of context. We were discussing corporations when I said that.

opps

They are protesting more than corporate entities.
And there is no boycott for where taxes go or undesirable budget cuts.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

opps

They are protesting more than corporate entities.
And there is no boycott for where taxes go or undesirable budget cuts.

I realize that.

Again, you took it out of the context of the conversation I was having with rr...which was about corporations.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I realize that.

Again, you took it out of the context of the conversation I was having with rr...which was about corporations.

yes I understand I missed the original context.

my point is boycotting corporations instead of protesting will only satisfy part of what the protesting is about. which maybe is out of context of your replies to rr but is in context of the whole protest thingy.

or in other words, the protest my exist because there is no other way to bring up the issues or effectively have an impact on the systems. If it was just about corps their message would be clearer and focused and maybe they would say stop buying from these companies, etc... but they aren't calling for boycotts.

[wolfgang]

NESARA-The Bill, Executive Summary

Monetary Policy Reform


Establishes three types of United States currency: standard silver coin and gold coin (restores Constitutional currency), and treasury credit-notes

The United States Treasury buys and cancels all outstanding capital stock of the former Federal Reserve Banks

The privately owned Federal Reserve System is abolished, returning ownership of the national currency to the people through a newly created United States Treasury Reserve System

A new Board of Governors of the Treasury Reserve System uses a specific law-mandated plan to maintain and stabilize the exchange value of the currency

The new Board assumes all powers and responsibilities of the former Federal Open Market Committee, eliminating private control of the nation’s monetary system

The existing regional Federal Reserve Banks become Treasury Reserve Banks and continue clearinghouse operations and other bank service functions under the direction of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency

All commercial banks must exchange their income-producing government obligations for treasury credit-notes (reduces the national debt)

Only treasury credit-notes may be held as bank reserves

Fundamental changes are imposed on the repayment of all outstanding fractional reserve loans on secured property—principal must be repaid before the monetizing-fee is paid (applies retroactively to existing mortgages reducing private debt)

A progressive federal excise tax is imposed on the privilege of making commercial loans of currency for profit

Commercial financial institutions such as credit unions are provided, subject to some restriction, with opportunities to operate with fractional reserves




Fiscal Policy Reform


Amends the existing federal income tax system

A national retail sales (excise) tax is imposed upon non-exempt retail activities of commerce (20 categories of exemptions covering most necessities of life)

The Internal Revenue Service is reorganized as the National Tax Service to administer the collection of the new tax







What NESARA Does Not Immediately Do


Eliminate all payroll taxes, such as Social Security and Medicare taxes

Eliminate constitutional excise taxes on regulated activities

Immediately eliminate the entire national debt

Immediately halt inflation (the economy needs some response time before inflation will disappear)

Status of the Proposed Bill


October 10, 2011: The bill has not been enacted into law, has not been introduced into Congress, and has not yet been assigned a tracking number. Please contact the President, representatives and senators, and ask if they support the bill. Send them all a copy of the bill (further contact information is available on our Political Contacts page).

After the bill is assigned a number, the status of the proposed bill also can be viewed at the Thomas locator registry. However, the bill will not appear in the Thomas registry until the bill has been assigned a number.

would we the people want this Bill?

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

yes I understand I missed the original context.

my point is boycotting corporations instead of protesting will only satisfy part of what the protesting is about. which maybe is out of context of your replies to rr but is in context of the whole protest thingy.

or in other words, the protest my exist because there is no other way to bring up the issues or effectively have an impact on the systems. If it was just about corps their message would be clearer and focused and maybe they would say stop buying from these companies, etc... but they aren't calling for boycotts.

that's because they don't know what they want or what they are doing. There are so many splitter protests, and they are filled with people with many things on their minds.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

that's because they don't know what they want or what they are doing. There are so many splitter protests, and they are filled with people with many things on their minds.

yes it doesn't seem to have a real message and it started with protesting a budget cut to education. maybe there is a common theme to it all but it's one thing to just be against something and another thing to say this is how it could work. They will have to come up with what they want instead of what they don't want, iow.