Right-wing Christians kill 84 and blow up Oslo

[Bliss Sage]

This is shocking...

BBC News - Norway police say 84 killed in island youth camp attack

BBC News - Norway attacks - latest

The latter is supposed to be live-streaming reporting about it.
They are saying it was just one guy, but it was so well-done...could it really just be one guy?

I wonder if right-wing Christians in the U.S. going to start killing people too eventually...?

Either way, this is not a day that Norway will forget.

[invisiblehouses]

Originally Posted by Bliss Sage

I wonder if right-wing Christians in the U.S. going to start killing people too eventually...?

They already blow up abortion clinics, and their rhetoric has historically been extremely violent. Never could figure out what version of the Bible these people are reading...Jesus always seemed like kind of a peacenik to me.

[Jon Tore]

Some witnesses thought there was more than 1 guy. Most likely it was him (Anders Behring Breivik) dressed as a police officer, and another guy in normal clothing. But the police don't know whether it was only him or not, yet. One classmate of mine is still missing, as far as me and the rest of facebook are aware of. However, one other classmate of mine who was there, too, is safe and unhurt.

The youth-camp is a political organisation for youth, supporting the political party who's in the government now, which is the reason why they were attacked. At least 84 was killed on the island, and 7 in the bomb attack. And many who's hurt.

[smilingaway]

And Islams kill in the name of their religion. Its not that religion in itself is bad, its the perceptions of these individuals that what they are doing is right.

[Fredrik]

This is awful and unimagineable cruel and sad. Many friends of me who attended the summer camp are traumatized, two are shot (but they are gonna make it) and there's one we don't know much what happened to.

[joyfulgrowth]

And how are you doing, Jon-Tore and Fredrik?

I guess it must be quite a shock to have something like that happening so close you you.

[Bliss Sage]

I didn't know there were some Norwegians on here. It must be like a nightmare...
Norway was the last Scandinavian country (excluding Iceland) untouched by this type of violence. These countries, especially on the Scandinavian Penninsula, were known to be havens of peace.

Sweden also has had its share of run-ins with murderous neo-nazis, and I think significantly fewer incidents perpetrated by Islamic types, or attempted incidents. I've sometimes wondered if the Sverige Demokrater, or their supporters, will start doing things like this. These people cultivate hatred like nothing I've ever seen - and I had the misfortune, just a few months after arriving in Sweden, to meet two supporters of the Sverige Demokrater and they were as filled with hatred as lack of brains. Stupid people with power is a scary combination. (Not referring to the one who carries this kind of thing out, but to the idiots who support these neo-nazi political parties and ideologies - based on the "logic" I heard from the supporters I met here.)

Now the guy is saying he will explain himself in court on Monday.

BBC News - Norway suspect Anders Behring Breivik 'admits attacks'

[ZephyrusX]

Let us know if you hear an update on your missing classmate. I imagine the whole thing feels sort of feel sureal; we can see this on TV, but rarely experience anything like this so close to home.

Originally Posted by Jon Tore

Some witnesses thought there was more than 1 guy. Most likely it was him (Anders Behring Breivik) dressed as a police officer, and another guy in normal clothing. But the police don't know whether it was only him or not, yet. One classmate of mine is still missing, as far as me and the rest of facebook are aware of. However, one other classmate of mine who was there, too, is safe and unhurt.

The youth-camp is a political organisation for youth, supporting the political party who's in the government now, which is the reason why they were attacked. At least 84 was killed on the island, and 7 in the bomb attack. And many who's hurt.

[Jon Tore]

It feels unreal.. sort of like thinking back at an unpleasant nightmare about something you're not sure of... the chances our class-mate is killed are very high, unfortunately. She's not in the list over people who's found and safe and not in the list over people in the hospitals. We can just hope they find her somewhere, alive...

The terrorist wanted to be caught, it seemed, he didn't fight back at all when the police came. He wanted to make a point with all of this, which is described in a 1500 long bookthing he made. He talks about himself, his political viewpoints I guess and about things leading up to the actions he did. And he put this on the web right before the attacks, it seems.

Many of those who survived did this by playing dead among the dead ones, or by simply constantly being on the other side of the island as him, I guess, or by swimming away from the island without being shot in the water. Boats with voulenteers came to help and pick up the swimming, but he also shot against the boats. Even though he used automatic weapons, he used single shots, to not waste any shots and to hit with as many as possible, they say. And he shot most people twice.

It's still somewhat.. distant, I can't take all the feelings fully in, yet. It's weird to imagine the last school year where everyone's aware that a classmate was killed in this event... hope that isn't the case. I'll update you whenever we find out what has happened.

[Bliss Sage]

Originally Posted by Jon Tore

It feels unreal.. sort of like thinking back at an unpleasant nightmare about something you're not sure of... the chances our class-mate is killed are very high, unfortunately. She's not in the list over people who's found and safe and not in the list over people in the hospitals. We can just hope they find her somewhere, alive...

The terrorist wanted to be caught, it seemed, he didn't fight back at all when the police came. He wanted to make a point with all of this, which is described in a 1500 long bookthing he made. He talks about himself, his political viewpoints I guess and about things leading up to the actions he did. And he put this on the web right before the attacks, it seems.

Many of those who survived did this by playing dead among the dead ones, or by simply constantly being on the other side of the island as him, I guess, or by swimming away from the island without being shot in the water. Boats with voulenteers came to help and pick up the swimming, but he also shot against the boats. Even though he used automatic weapons, he used single shots, to not waste any shots and to hit with as many as possible, they say. And he shot most people twice.

It's still somewhat.. distant, I can't take all the feelings fully in, yet. It's weird to imagine the last school year where everyone's aware that a classmate was killed in this event... hope that isn't the case. I'll update you whenever we find out what has happened.

Where were you and your classmate when these things happened?

[Federer]

This is horrific jon. I never saw such things. I read that he was free-masonic, devil worshiper. I don't know anything about it, but sounds like extreme terrorist.

Hope your friend is safe now. It is very shocking incident, indeed.

Keep this thread updated.

[ZephyrusX]

I don't know what to say really... I hope she is alive. I wish stuff like this didn't happen.

Originally Posted by Jon Tore

It feels unreal.. sort of like thinking back at an unpleasant nightmare about something you're not sure of... the chances our class-mate is killed are very high, unfortunately. She's not in the list over people who's found and safe and not in the list over people in the hospitals. We can just hope they find her somewhere, alive...

The terrorist wanted to be caught, it seemed, he didn't fight back at all when the police came. He wanted to make a point with all of this, which is described in a 1500 long bookthing he made. He talks about himself, his political viewpoints I guess and about things leading up to the actions he did. And he put this on the web right before the attacks, it seems.

Many of those who survived did this by playing dead among the dead ones, or by simply constantly being on the other side of the island as him, I guess, or by swimming away from the island without being shot in the water. Boats with voulenteers came to help and pick up the swimming, but he also shot against the boats. Even though he used automatic weapons, he used single shots, to not waste any shots and to hit with as many as possible, they say. And he shot most people twice.

It's still somewhat.. distant, I can't take all the feelings fully in, yet. It's weird to imagine the last school year where everyone's aware that a classmate was killed in this event... hope that isn't the case. I'll update you whenever we find out what has happened.

[elucidate]

Glad you're ok Jon.

What a crazy thing. Norway has always struck me as a slightly innocent country...but I guess things have changed after this. Sorry to hear this.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Federer

This is horrific jon. I never saw such things. I read that he was free-masonic, devil worshiper. I don't know anything about it, but sounds like extreme terrorist.

Freemasons aren't Devil worshippers...at least not the regular ones. Maybe the ones in the upper eschelons like presidential people? Just had to throw that in. It's a common misconception.

[Bliss Sage]

Originally Posted by Federer

This is horrific jon. I never saw such things. I read that he was free-masonic, devil worshiper.

He was a "conservative Christian". Maybe it's the same thing...?

We'll know more tomorrow when he attempts to justify his actions in court.

Imagine being his lawyer...

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Bliss Sage

He was a "conservative Christian". Maybe it's the same thing...?

We'll know more tomorrow when he attempts to justify his actions in court.

If you've read the bible there are some pretty satanic verses in there in certain places. I've often thought this branch of christians are more satanic than satanists are supposed to be.

[Federer]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Glad you're ok Jon.

What a crazy thing. Norway has always struck me as a slightly innocent country...but I guess things have changed after this. Sorry to hear this.

Similar here. Norway is also calm place for me.

Originally Posted by elucidate

Freemasons aren't Devil worshippers...at least no the regular ones. Maybe the ones in the upper eschelons like presidential people? Just had to throw that in. It's a common misconception.

Yes, i also read that they are fighting against nationalism and internationalism. I don't understand this all. what's the meaning of winning a fight by shedding lot of people's blood? Absolutely insane mind he is. Hope people are safe and country is safe.

[Federer]

Originally Posted by Bliss Sage

He was a "conservative Christian". Maybe it's the same thing...?

We'll know more tomorrow when he attempts to justify his actions in court.

Imagine being his lawyer...

no he was not conservative christ. But net says, he was one of christian hater and ready to kill them at any cost. I don't know what i read. It's all from msn.com

[Bliss Sage]

Originally Posted by elucidate

If you've read the bible there are some pretty satanic verses in there in certain places. I've often thought this branch of christians are more satanic than satanists are.

I have read it partially, but I guess I pick and choose. I go there to look for specific wisdom.

Victims from the Oklahoma bombings sympathize...

Tragedy of Oklahoma City echoes in Norwegian terror attacks - CNN.com

@Federer: then I guess he was lying on his Facebook page where he wrote he was a conservative and Christian.

He hated Muslims and he was promoting a European war between Christianity and Islam.

Norway attacks gunman Anders Behring Breivik was a right-wing extremist who hated Muslims | Mail Online

[Bliss Sage]

Originally Posted by Federer

no he was not conservative christ. But net says, he was one of christian hater and ready to kill them at any cost. I don't know what i read. It's all from msn.com

MSNBC news says what everyone else is saying, what I said. He is a Christian fundamentalist.

Cops: Norway gunman claims he acted alone - World news - Europe - msnbc.com

[Jon Tore]

He describes himself as a nationalist, and he's very much against a multi-cultural society and he wants to drive the Islamic out of the country and society. That's some of the main factors, I guess.


When it happened, I was safe at home, taking pictures of myself putting a pencil up my nose. 2 of my classmates were there on the island, one of them is home and safe, one is missing from all the lists. She must be among the 4-5 missing people.

[Pokerface]

Jon this is a terrible tragedy for your nation and I feel for you all there in Norway.

I am frustrated about the christian aspect of this story as this is NOT the Jesus we see in the bible, however he has been linked to freemasonry which is actually linked to satanic rituals and devil worship, so unsure on the christian aspect, the Church of England claims to be christian and yet ignores specific biblical teachings making it heretical to some degree.
Anyone can call them selves anything, the proof though is in the pudding and his actions are not christian, not at all.
Lets not forget the actions of this ONE man comapred to a whole jihad and terror war by Al Queada if we want to make those comparisons

[Alstar]

Originally Posted by Pokerface

Lets not forget the actions of this ONE man comapred to a whole jihad and terror war by Al Queada if we want to make those comparisons

Seriously? Show some respect and stop dragging a whole different discussion into a thread that is about 84 massacred youths. If you want to give your opinion on something, fine, but this is just a classless way to provoke a completely irrelevant discussion (and provoking is exactly what you're doing, whether you realize it or not).

[ragtag]

Fredrik and Jon I'm sorry about your classmates. It must be a horrible feeling. It's been a very very sad day for Norway.

Everyone here has been following the news, and just trying to get to grips with this. It's quite surreal when this kind of thing hits so close to home. I live around 500m from where the bomb exploded. I was at work, which is also around 500-600m from the blast, when the bomb went off, and everyone in my office could feel the whole building shake...except me. I was downstairs setting up our new server room and didn't hear anything. My boyfriend who was at home, felt the blast, but didn't understand what it was. Everything was ok at my place, but only a 100m around the corner, there were shattered windows and the police and military closed of all the streets there.

As far as I know, everyone I know here is thankfully safe, but I haven't seen any lists over the dead and wounded yet. I went out yesterday to have a look, and walking around town was almost like being at a funeral. You could feel that everyone was really sad, and nobody spoke much. It wasn't possible to get anywhere near where the blast happened, as the whole area was cordoned off by the police and military, but even this far away, you could see many shattered windows.

As for the psychopath who did this, he has claimed to be right wing, anti-Islamic, nationalistic Christian conservative. He probably acted alone, but was inspired by extreme right wing rhetoric on-line and from books. In his manifest he wrote that he could use the court case against him as a propaganda vehicle for his extremist views. In one way, it's better that this was a Norwegian, and not an outside attack from Al-Qaeda or similar terrorist lunatic organizations, as that would just have fueled racism and hate against immigrants.

[Bliss Sage]

Originally Posted by Jon Tore

When it happened, I was safe at home, taking pictures of myself putting a pencil up my nose.

Lol, well, that explains your picture.
And that you haven't lost your sense of humor in all this.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Bliss Sage

Lol, well, that explains your picture.
And that you haven't lost your sense of humor in all this.

I was gonna comment on this too.

It's funny to think that while people were scrambling for their lives in the face of this horror, jon was at home, obliviously sticking things up his nose.

I like that.

[AlmostGodess]

Jon, how do people react to this? What do they say they need to do in the future? What mistakes are they ready to accept, if any? Is anybody thinking about banning or changing extremist parties?

My heart goes out for your country. It must be crazy to raise kids to become political elite and then have them die in such a cruel manner.

[Jon Tore]

Originally Posted by AlmostGodess

Jon, how do people react to this? What do they say they need to do in the future? What mistakes are they ready to accept, if any? Is anybody thinking about banning or changing extremist parties?

My heart goes out for your country. It must be crazy to raise kids to become political elite and then have them die in such a cruel manner.

The prime minister says we've got to keep the democracy and not let them show us that they can bomb us to silence, or scare us to silence. He's very determined. An unanswered question that has come up is to what extent can we protect ourselves against one man? As the killer wrote in his big "log", it's difficult to catch a man working completely alone, in such a way.

Before he/we knew anything in depth about what has happened, he said this: Transcript from Prime Minister Stoltenberg's press conference 22 July 22.00 - regjeringen.no
if that answers any of your questions


I agree, it's crazy. They are a very good and fair lot, these youths.

[AlmostGodess]

Originally Posted by Jon Tore

The prime minister says we've got to keep the democracy and not let them show us that they can bomb us to silence, or scare us to silence. He's very determined. An unanswered question that has come up is to what extent can we protect ourselves against one man? As the killer wrote in his big "log", it's difficult to catch a man working completely alone, in such a way.

This reminded me of the movie Law Abiding Citizen. And made me think that while I am home trying to make myself a better person and to open myself up to the world, some people plot, draw diabolic plans, buy guns and rejoice at the idea of death.

This has also made me think somehow of the idea of common responsibility. Such people are the product of our societies and express partly our ideas. And I again suffer at the idea of tolerance because it means I have to tolerate such people to.

Originally Posted by Jon Tore

Before he/we knew anything in depth about what has happened, he said this: Transcript from Prime Minister Stoltenberg's press conference 22 July 22.00 - regjeringen.no
if that answers any of your questions

I loved the speech, it gave me goose bumps.

[Fredrik]

My classmate and political friend (I wasn't in the same party, but we shared many opinions) is now declared dead. It is truly horrifying. Seeing and hearing from surviving friends helps against the grief. Yesterday people, including 6 survivors, met in Church where everyone was crying and hugging each other. After that many met at a friend's house where joy and laughter was more present than the sorrow. Things are getting better. This evening we march into the street in our local town with lit torches. Only with the help of each other we'll (the local youth) manage to cope with our friend's death and move on from this tragedy.