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machoman · 07-10-2011, 06:29 AM

Steve posted this link in his google+ buzz

Another link
What do you think about this?

Rezzy7 · 07-13-2011, 06:55 AM

Don't know if it's the "right" solution, but pirazy is out of control. People know they are stealing and do it anyway, because they know they can. Too many have no issue with copying, distributing, or otherwise benefiting from someone else's hard work.

In this case, how do they know who's downloading what? Is there no privacy in piracy?

Cado · 07-13-2011, 07:33 AM

If you're downloading something through a torrent, your IP is available to anyone on the network. You don't have to be personally monitored in order to be traced. And while it may not be you, you're held responsible for anything that happens over your connection.

On paper this is surprisingly sane considering who's in favor of it. It's a hell of a lot better than their "sue grannies" strategy. The question is whether or not it will hinder speech on the internet but unless it flags wikileaks I doubt that'll be an issue from this particular practice.

The question at that point is whether it's a piece of a larger plan. A lot of big wigs, both in corporate and in government, don't like the internet very much and would love to control it the way they do television, radio, etc. The big issues on that front are net neutrality and bandwidth caps-this looks like it's something altogether different.

The fact is what we do is already traceable. Anywhere I go, anything I search for, it's all in my ISP's logs, they just have to dig it up. This doesn't sound like it would change the status quo so much as systemize it. If it stems piracy and does only what it's intended to do, I'd be okay with that.

Brutha · 07-13-2011, 09:37 AM

People of ISPs that participate in the measure will have to move away from pure BitTorrent and hide behind Tor, I2P or similar technology.

The system that's presently suggested allows copyright holders to make allegations without having to go to a court of law.

There are chance that they will claim that people who use I2P are violating copyright and should therefore lose their internet connection.
If that's the position than the copyright alert system infringes on major rights of free speech.

If it isn't I don't think it will be very effective at fighting copyright infringement.

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07-13-2011, 06:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
Rezzy7 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: West Coast USA Posts: 783	Don't know if it's the "right" solution, but pirazy is out of control. People know they are stealing and do it anyway, because they know they can. Too many have no issue with copying, distributing, or otherwise benefiting from someone else's hard work. In this case, how do they know who's downloading what? Is there no privacy in piracy?

07-13-2011, 07:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cado Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Flames Which Temper Steel Posts: 2,017	If you're downloading something through a torrent, your IP is available to anyone on the network. You don't have to be personally monitored in order to be traced. And while it may not be you, you're held responsible for anything that happens over your connection. On paper this is surprisingly sane considering who's in favor of it. It's a hell of a lot better than their "sue grannies" strategy. The question is whether or not it will hinder speech on the internet but unless it flags wikileaks I doubt that'll be an issue from this particular practice. The question at that point is whether it's a piece of a larger plan. A lot of big wigs, both in corporate and in government, don't like the internet very much and would love to control it the way they do television, radio, etc. The big issues on that front are net neutrality and bandwidth caps-this looks like it's something altogether different. The fact is what we do is already traceable. Anywhere I go, anything I search for, it's all in my ISP's logs, they just have to dig it up. This doesn't sound like it would change the status quo so much as systemize it. If it stems piracy and does only what it's intended to do, I'd be okay with that.

07-13-2011, 09:37 AM	#4 (permalink)
Brutha Family Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 8,749	People of ISPs that participate in the measure will have to move away from pure BitTorrent and hide behind Tor, I2P or similar technology. The system that's presently suggested allows copyright holders to make allegations without having to go to a court of law. There are chance that they will claim that people who use I2P are violating copyright and should therefore lose their internet connection. If that's the position than the copyright alert system infringes on major rights of free speech. If it isn't I don't think it will be very effective at fighting copyright infringement.

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