Casey Anthony Not Guilty

[Laurenaus]

Faaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiil

[Bradman]

The jury had the option of manslaugher, so the argument about it needing to be a death penalty is false.

I really doubt that the jurors even listened to the judges instructions or reviewed much of the evidence. As I pointed out they didn't spend enough time in deliberation.

Part of the instruction was "if you believe the defendant was guilty, you may choose to disregard any evidence presented" - on juror already admited she didn't think Casey was innocent.

In a way I can see the point of others that have said the evidence was weak, but taken in totality I believe the state proved their case. I think these days people are living in CSI land where there is always perfect direct evidence, which is fantasyland. People don't make accidents look like murder, then lie that the child was kidnapped. Smell of death in the trunk with Casey only having access to the vehicle would have been enough for me. Common sense!

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by Bradman

Given that there was 366 pieces of evidence, even if the entire deliberatin was used for reviewing the evidence, that only alots 1.75 minutes of discussion per each piece of evidence. Do you really think the jury discussed all the evidence? How can anyone say there wasn't enough evidence if clearly all of it was never discussed by the jury?

The whole jury sat through the whole trial as all the evidence was presented.

Why would they need to go through every single piece of evidence again, if they already had it all explained to them by both a defense and prosecution team?

Originally Posted by mainstreetcm

What I find truly disgusting is the fact that this same woman (Grace) wants to further criticize Anthony on the assumption she will profit from her story, when that is exactly what Grace has been doing this ENTIRE time.

I agree. Nancy Grace fails to admit / realize that if weren't for media spectacles such as herself who popularized the trial, then Casey Anthony wouldn't be popular, and thus wouldn't be able to profit from being a celebrity.

Oh the irony.

[Bradman]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

The whole jury sat through the whole trial as all the evidence was presented.

Why would they need to go through every single piece of evidence again, if they already had it all explained to them by both a defense and prosecution team?

So they know whether there is agreement on the evidence. So a critical discussion can happen. To remind persons without perfect memory what the evidence actually is.

[Bradman]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

I do suspect Casey knew her daughter was dead from the get-go, even if she didn't kill her.

Her attorney said she know in opening argument - or was that a lie too?

If it was an pool accident, why didn't she call 911? Does that many any sense whatsoever?

[180]

Originally Posted by Bradman

Her attorney said she know in opening argument - or was that a lie too?

If it was an pool accident, why didn't she call 911? Does that many any sense whatsoever?

Agreed.

This is the main reason I believe she is glaring guilty. People don't lie unless it benefits them, and if she had to make a lie so horribly inconsistent and nonsensical with many illogical holes and poor alibi's, whatever she truly did, was a lot worse than her lie.

Kids aren't car keys that you lose between couch cushions and be like "Oh I lost my car keys, durr hurr, poor me it was an accident, dumb the baby in a swamp". That sort of logic, even by the dumbest people on the planet isn't even plausible. I don't even think the mentally challenged are capable of poor planning like that.

We all know the "drowned" in the pool is a complete BS story. I would have believed Casey more if she said Aliens abducted her daughter, at least that brings into question her sanity.

I guess the main reason this case annoys me is that she's so ******* stupid, and she still gets away with it. If people can murder, and not have to plan, or conceive an intelligent way to get out of it, I might as well start killing people tomorrow, and tell the cops "they drowned in the pool". When asked further I say "My mom is the one who googled 'How to shoot a gun', and 'how to murder'".

Then my mom can say "How to shoot a gun" is very similar to "how to shoot a camera"

YEah... that's plausible....

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Bradman

Her attorney said she know in opening argument - or was that a lie too?

If it was an pool accident, why didn't she call 911? Does that many any sense whatsoever?

Here is what I think.

I think either she killed her daughter, or her daughter died in an accident and she panicked and tried to cover it up.

There's no way to know which one it is, because there's no *conclusive* proof that she killed her daughter. Since there's no proof, there's a reasonable doubt: it could have been accidental death + panicking. Therefore, she can't be charged with murder.

[Criseyde]

Then again, I am also completely opposed to the death penalty. I think it's ludicrous and sickening that our response to murder in the first degree is... murder in the first degree. Premeditated, in cold blood. Hello??

Is Casey Anthony a terrible mother and a pathological liar, probably. But she's not even a proven murderer. She doesn't deserve to die.

[180]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

Here is what I think.

I think either she killed her daughter, or her daughter died in an accident and she panicked and tried to cover it up.

There's no way to know which one it is, because there's no *conclusive* proof that she killed her daughter. Since there's no proof, there's a reasonable doubt: it could have been accidental death + panicking. Therefore, she can't be charged with murder.

Here's the thing I don't get, when people say they panicked and buried the body, are they being for real?

I mean, just really curious, would anyone actually do that?

I don't think if I was over come with emotion that the first thing that comes to mind is "cover it up". You only cover it up if you could get in trouble. And if Casey thought she had to coverup, then obviously she thought she could get in trouble. If it's an accident, there's no reason to cover it up.

Hence, she's still guilty.

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by 180

Here's the thing I don't get, when people say they panicked and buried the body, are they being for real?

I mean, just really curious, would anyone actually do that?

I don't think if I was over come with emotion that the first thing that comes to mind is "cover it up". You only cover it up if you could get in trouble. And if Casey thought she had to coverup, then obviously she thought she could get in trouble. If it's an accident, there's no reason to cover it up.

Hence, she's still guilty.

Sure, if it was an accident she could have been charged with criminal negligence. In case you hadn't noticed , our society doesn't take kindly to the death of children, especially not adorable two year olds.

[Bradman]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

Here is what I think.

I think either she killed her daughter, or her daughter died in an accident and she panicked and tried to cover it up.

There's no way to know which one it is, because there's no *conclusive* proof that she killed her daughter. Since there's no proof, there's a reasonable doubt: it could have been accidental death + panicking. Therefore, she can't be charged with murder.

Then she should have been charged with hiding a corpse at least.

[ZephyrusX]

Originally Posted by Bradman

In a way I can see the point of others that have said the evidence was weak, but taken in totality I believe the state proved their case. I think these days people are living in CSI land where there is always perfect direct evidence, which is fantasyland. People don't make accidents look like murder, then lie that the child was kidnapped. Smell of death in the trunk with Casey only having access to the vehicle would have been enough for me. Common sense!

Someone published an article on this called the CSI Effect (I'll look around for it sometime), I believe. I'm not qualified enough to criticize the article, but the author and the law professionals that he interviewed were of the same opinion.

I don't know anything about this particular case though so I won't comment on it. I"ve never even heard of the woman actually.

[Bradman]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

Here is what I think.

I think either she killed her daughter, or her daughter died in an accident and she panicked and tried to cover it up.

There's no way to know which one it is, because there's no *conclusive* proof that she killed her daughter. Since there's no proof, there's a reasonable doubt: it could have been accidental death + panicking. Therefore, she can't be charged with murder.

I'm almost done with this argument, really getting sick of the whole thing, but I must make one last point - you say "resonable doubt."

I cannot see even .001% reason, in the "resonable doubt" put forth.

It doesnt make sense in Florida, the United States, The World, The Moon, Mars, or the Universe.

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by Bradman

I'm almost done with this argument, really getting sick of the whole thing, but I must make one last point - you say "resonable doubt."

I cannot see even .001% reason, in the "resonable doubt" put forth.

It doesnt make sense in Florida, the United States, The World, The Moon, Mars, or the Universe.

Your only argument against Casey Anthony seems to be that any other alternative than murder "doesn't make sense" and thus there is no reasonable doubt.

Well here's the kicker dude: Most people don't make sense!

People take actions all the time that don't make sense. Like wasting time on these forums talking about this whole situation: IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. But we are doing it anyways.

[cacheborn]

This reminds me of the movie 12 Angry Men. The character of Henry Fonda has same objection - there is a case for reasonable doubt.

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Bradman

I'm almost done with this argument, really getting sick of the whole thing, but I must make one last point - you say "resonable doubt."

I cannot see even .001% reason, in the "resonable doubt" put forth.

It doesnt make sense in Florida, the United States, The World, The Moon, Mars, or the Universe.

Well, how can I argue with that?

[James81]

I don't know a lot, but I do know this: I know it's literally impossible to determine guilt or innocence from my living room couch.

I really think that's all that needs said. The people commenting on this case are sort of like the people who sit in left field at a baseball game and yell at the ump and tell him he's blind.

[180]

I was watching the news, and they said that the reason she couldn't be filed charges of neglect is because there is no clear custodial guardian for caylee.... so they couldn't appropriately say the "mom", of all people is responsible for her.

As I was watching the news and flipping channels though, I was glad to see the huge majority of Americans outraged. It seems like every channel a lot of people are voicing for their disgust for Casey on the principal of how bad a mother she is. I'm glad to hear that America hasn't totally lost all of it's values.

They are also fining Casey on the fees for making the police run around with her lies.

[Mariana Trench]

Originally Posted by James81

I don't know a lot, but I do know this: I know it's literally impossible to determine guilt or innocence from my living room couch.

I really think that's all that needs said. The people commenting on this case are sort of like the people who sit in left field at a baseball game and yell at the ump and tell him he's blind.

Yeah, this is what I've been thinking through the entire thing. Let's all be outraged because Nancy Grace told us to, even though there's very little real we can know about this case.

[Bradman]

Originally Posted by Mariana Trench

Yeah, this is what I've been thinking through the entire thing. Let's all be outraged because Nancy Grace told us to, even though there's very little real we can know about this case.

Sadly, I've watched almost the entire trial on TV, while daytrading.

[wachusettgirl]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

Sure, if it was an accident she could have been charged with criminal negligence. In case you hadn't noticed , our society doesn't take kindly to the death of children, especially not adorable two year olds.

That depends on the type of accident it was. If Casey used chloroform to put Caylee to sleep, and duct tape to silence her, but her intention wasn't to kill her, Casey would still be guilty of felony murder in the first. Her sentence would've been life without parole as opposed to death, which is only called for with premeditated felony murder in the first. Jeff Ashton explained this all quite well in his closing... and I'm quite certain Judge Perry covered it completely in his instructions to the jury. She was also charged with lesser felony charges of aggravated child abuse/neglect and manslaughter. She was found guilty only of misdemeanors.

[wachusettgirl]

Originally Posted by James81

I don't know a lot, but I do know this: I know it's literally impossible to determine guilt or innocence from my living room couch.

I really think that's all that needs said. The people commenting on this case are sort of like the people who sit in left field at a baseball game and yell at the ump and tell him he's blind.

The entire trial was open to the public, every minute of it. Many of the people who followed the trial weren't just swept up in the sensationalism of it, but were genuinely interested in the story. The story started out as one of a missing 2 year old girl, then developed into the story of that same little girl who was dumped in a swamp and found with duct tape over what was left of her face (only the skull and hair) six months later... and the girl's mother who told lie after lie, and then changed the lies only when they were proven to be wrong.

AND that mother threw everyone that she possibly could, her mother, her father, her brother, her ex-fiance, the non-existent nanny and more, under the bus to save herself so she could go out and live "the good life".

[wachusettgirl]

Originally Posted by Bradman

The jury had the option of manslaugher, so the argument about it needing to be a death penalty is false.

I really doubt that the jurors even listened to the judges instructions or reviewed much of the evidence. As I pointed out they didn't spend enough time in deliberation.

Part of the instruction was "if you believe the defendant was guilty, you may choose to disregard any evidence presented" - on juror already admited she didn't think Casey was innocent.

In a way I can see the point of others that have said the evidence was weak, but taken in totality I believe the state proved their case. I think these days people are living in CSI land where there is always perfect direct evidence, which is fantasyland. People don't make accidents look like murder, then lie that the child was kidnapped. Smell of death in the trunk with Casey only having access to the vehicle would have been enough for me. Common sense!

I completely agree that the jury copped out here. They didn't deliberate long enough hardly to go over the instructions. Very few of them took notes, and they didn't ask for any call-backs on evidence, audio, video or pictures.

One of the jurors stated on her interview with a major network something to the effect of "how can you determine the punishment, if you don't know the crime?" The problem there is they weren't determining the punishment, they were supposed to be deliberating only on the crime.

[ShoeDiva]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

1) I think she was guilty, but

2) I don't think the prosecution proved that she is guilty. All they proved is that she is a narcissistic human being.

Unfortunately I am going to have to say that I agree with the jurors' decision. In the United States, those who are accused of crimes are innocent until proven guilty, and unfortunately this case had no solid evidence that could prove Casey Anthony had murdered her child.


Although I think the murder is the most reasonable solution to the whole question of "how did she die?", I think there is a small space of "maybe the kid died as an accident, and Casey Anthony also happens to be batshit insane as well" that could be the explanation for why she lied and tried to cover up the death.

Completely agree. Our system of justice is designed to let guilty people walk rather than incarcerate someone who is innocent.
With that said it should be a crime to not report your child missing for 30 days It should some form of parental negligence

[SnerpGoodWord]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

This is how I feel. The prosecution didn't prove 1) how Caylee died or 2) that Casey was the one that killed her.

1) is a key point. The first step was to prove a murder occurred (as opposed to an accident). THEN you have to prove who did it. Since no one could testify as to the cause of death, 1) was essentially impossible.

A very large quantity of evidence was presented. The problem with that evidence was NOT that it was circumstantial (which is fine) but rather that it didn't address the right question. In this case quantity is not the same as quality.

[Bradman]

Originally Posted by SnerpGoodWord

1) is a key point. The first step was to prove a murder occurred (as opposed to an accident). THEN you have to prove who did it. Since no one could testify as to the cause of death, 1) was essentially impossible.

A very large quantity of evidence was presented. The problem with that evidence was NOT that it was circumstantial (which is fine) but rather that it didn't address the right question. In this case quantity is not the same as quality.

Manner of death can be arrived at through circumstial evidence. Whether or not anyone thinks it was proven in this case is a matter of opinion.

[Cochonette]

Casey Anthony is not guilty of the murder of her daughter Caylee Anthony.

However, she is guilty of “providing false information to law enforcement officer“.

It’s something of a cliche that high profile people never go down for their crimes, they go down for the cover up. It was the cover-up of the Watergate break-in that destroyed Nixon’s presidency. It wasn’t oral sex with Monica Lewinsky that got Clinton impeached, it was lying about it under oath. Remember how Martha Stewart went to prison for a year for insider trading? Oh, wait, she didn’t. She went to prison for obstructing justice and lying to investigators...

Really? Having an affair is a crime only in New York. So yes, the issue was the lying under oath. Of course, lying in private, to your wife of all people, about something so important to the public interest (your sex life) doesn't exactly put you in a healthy position.

[Cochonette]

Originally Posted by James81

I don't know a lot, but I do know this: I know it's literally impossible to determine guilt or innocence from my living room couch.

I really think that's all that needs said. The people commenting on this case are sort of like the people who sit in left field at a baseball game and yell at the ump and tell him he's blind.

Yep. I am primarily just interested in the case as a case study of how our justice system works. I don't know very much about our justice system, and I probably should.

I'd have voted her guilty by negligence. With duct tape over her mouth, this was no mere accident that she freaked about and therefore decided to cover up. There was some serious child abuse that led to a child's death, at the very least, and in the event she is just nuts, she needs to be EITHER in prison or a mental health facility for some time to come. At least, based on what I know of the case. I haven't followed details too closely.

[Vibration]

It would have been great if the judge would have allowed as evidence the video from prison, when Casey was told that her daughter's body was found. Casey was bent over and hyperventilating for an hour over the news, not crying or grieving, but panicking. Still not proof, but very telling, to me. Why would that news have such an impact if she already knew her daughter was dead, from a swimming pool accident?

She may have a death sentence yet coming, or a lifestyle that includes bodyguards and bulletproof vests.

The justice system doesn't have any say about whether or not American society will tolerate Casey living among them. I wouldn't want her living in my neighborhood, proven innocent or not.

[Bradman]

Originally Posted by Vibration

It would have been great if the judge would have allowed as evidence the video from prison, when Casey was told that her daughter's body was found. Casey was bent over and hyperventilating for an hour over the news, not crying or grieving, but panicking.

She may have a death sentence yet coming, or a lifestyle that includes bodyguards and bulletproof vests. Bella Vita? I don't think so.

100% agree with you. Apparently it was too "inflamitory."

By the way, it was a different judge that got dismissed from the case.