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Old 05-15-2011, 04:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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An article I read on alternet.org yesterday titled "Immigrants for Sale" was a real eye opener. Check out the link below if you have time. The video embedded in the article could have been done better, but at least someone is making an effort to reveal the ugly core. I've read as much content on the internet that I can find, and the more I learn the more I am aghast.

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I'd appreciate any thoughts and opinions from forum members, especially those from countries where there are private for-profit prisons. Thanks all.
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This is basically human trafficking.
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There are no private prisons in Europe. You can see one State-owned prison in this clip, ignore the descriptions if you can't read French and just focus on the images.

Dailymotion - Les pires Prison de France - une vidéo Arts

I have a question here. I saw that they calculated the cost of having the immigrants kept in prisons, did anyone calculate how much it costs to keep them free?
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This is basically human trafficking.
Yes, it is. A platitude I most believe is: Things are almost never what they seem. I am yet to be proven wrong, especially in matters involving people in powerful positions. This is another example of legistators being "in bed" with big business no matter what the human cost.

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I have a question here. I saw that they calculated the cost of having the immigrants kept in prisons, did anyone calculate how much it costs to keep them free?
I know that the UK has a few privately owned prisons. I'll watch the video, thanks. (Incidentally, I can still read some French! Five years of French in high school did not make me fluent, but I am pleasantly surprised how much I still remember! Thanks for the link.)
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I have a question here. I saw that they calculated the cost of having the immigrants kept in prisons, did anyone calculate how much it costs to keep them free?
It's very hard to calculate the costs of refusing to hold up the law.
Having 100 million Africans migrate into Europe would pose huge problems and be more expansive.
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It's very hard to calculate the costs of refusing to hold up the law.
I see. I mean here the social costs in terms of how many of them have their lives threatened and health un-protected. If they go to prison, they are cared for and the State is obliged to ensure their protection. If these people are hunted in their own countries, it might be a bad idea to leave them walking freely on the streets.

It's a complex issue, more research needed. Not Government-ordered research.
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I remember reading in a PDF book by Mary Croft, that a everyone has bonds issued at "birth" and any other registered number you have (eg. Social insurance). This is because our work and bodies help pay for the debt, we are collateral so to say. Once you become a prisoner (even though you didn't know you HAVE these bonds let alone the rights to it) the government has full rights to take them and starts selling them on the stock market. The reason you see it listed as a profitable business is because each person's birth certificate bond is in the MILLIONS! So for many people, some human's and their person are worth more sitting in jail.
Now the question is, if many of their prisoners knew they could've tapped into the millions that was already in their name, would they be in jail today?

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Now the question is, if many of there prisoners knew they could tap into he millions that is already in their name, would they be in jail today?
And now my question is, how does one go about doing that?
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For a long time I felt this was a manifestation of a request for a lot of money to accomplish what I wanted but I hesitated and started to doubt. If you do it, do it fast because the more and MORE information you get isn't going to help much. From what they say it's is a process you just have to do it and learn. Much like;"Fire,aim, fire!" If you succeed, good on ya!

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I have not done this because I'm too chicken so I can't confirm with certainty it is true. My spouse and I have gone through much of it and well..... Seems my fear of possibly being flagged and labeled as "terrorist" (especially in today's times) outweighs my other positive thoughts (like this is how they plan on introducing the money free society similar to Earth in Star Trek).

That being said there are sites and forums full of people who claimed to have done these processes and made them work.


The Book I mentioned.

For the States check out Winston Shrout. We had a couple of lecture series videos, though I didn't like all the students, I felt I got a lot more understanding from some of his stuff. But, I've read things on both sides of the coin for him too.

I originally came across the information based on some videos a friend sent me (knowing I love free online movies) on Robert Menard. Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception
Now That video made me sit down think. He posed some serious questions there that made me stop and rack my brain to think of why I didn't know these things, and more-so why didn't I feel it was IMPORTANT to know it. That link is connected to his forum which my spouse peruses.
My lawyer friend watched a some of his stuff and says it's all rhetoric, nothing firm enough to grasp on to.

Enjoy, I hope it could be of some value to you.
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All immigrants should be forced to contribute to the economy in labor centres. Same can go for all unemployed people, let them build up skills and help their own route back to employment.

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