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Old 02-05-2011, 03:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm becoming increasingly agitated at seeing the status of our world. I live in the US, and I want to live a happy, fulfilling life. Unfortunately my dreams are interrupted by things all over the news. Here's what I've been seeing lately...

China, a nation of over a billion people is gaining power. Under normal circumstances, I would applaud them on their success. The only problem is that the leaders are extremely communist and keep their people in a police state that censors their free speech. You can't have something like this gain influence in the world.

Religion is tearing apart the entire world.. Everyone believes they are right no matter what, because it's "The word of God" no matter who you ask, they're always right. These people are killing each other and basing major social decisions off of religious dogma that is often completely irrational. They believe their gods will solve all the problems, so they sit around and do nothing. These people are completely irrational and it's getting to a point where it's starting to affect my life. This doesn't make me very happy.

This world needs real change! Not a bunch of idiots squabbling over power. Why the hell is it so hard for people to be able to tolerate each others beliefs. Why the hell do we halt stem cell research when it has the potential to save millions of lives in the long run ??

The only way forward is science! Nazi Germany was able to produce immense quantities of material out of just a tiny little country because science was so deeply into their culture in WWII. With science, we can end world hunger! We can get to the point where we never have to compete for natural resources ever again. So why not do it ?? Why does this have to be so hard ?

If anyone can connect with my mad ravings at all, please share your opinion Please show me there's still some intelligent people out there that actually care about real issues instead of just watching MTV and ESPN all day..
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It should read whats wrong with humanity, the world minus humans is a great place.
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It should read whats wrong with humanity, the world minus humans is a great place.


Your definitely on to something. I've recently developed a new appreciation for nature. At least in nature there's a reason to kill.
You may not believe in evolution like I do, but we need to evolve past war. People don't realize the infinite potential for progress we have, if people were capable of abstract thinking, we could live in a phenomenally beautiful place
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I agree with you, the state of the world is miserable, but I also think that focusing on politics and having a "global affairs" kind of mindset is part of the problem, even if it seems like more people being interested in global affairs is a good thing*. The root of the problem is and always will be our nature as humans and our current level of consciousness.

*I say that about politics because I think it's a terrible thing when people become too interested in politics, because usually it's the wrong people. Reason being because stupid people develop interests in politics too. That includes the religious fundamentalists you mentioned. A shining example would be your country's own Sarah Palin who is an utter and complete moron who should never have been allowed near a position of power, responsibility or authority in any sort of hierarchy, let alone go anywhere near the seat of power in the worlds most powerful country. More stupid people in politics is not what we need, especially since stupid people are generally quite passionate; the wrong kind of passionate.

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The only way forward is science! Nazi Germany was able to produce immense quantities of material out of just a tiny little country because science was so deeply into their culture in WWII.
Germany = tiny??? Since when? Largest European country tiny, or is there some other metric I'm missing?
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Religion definitely has to go, humans have natural altruistic instincts which is superior to religious moral framework.
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Religion is tearing apart the entire world.. Everyone believes they are right no matter what, because it's "The word of God" no matter who you ask, they're always right. These people are killing each other and basing major social decisions off of religious dogma that is often completely irrational.
I totally agree with this part. Religion would be a fine concept if people could just accept other peoples religions and not feel that whatever religion they have is the "better" one. People proceed to treat people like they are stupid or plain ignorant just because they have a different belief. Just a different matter of opinion! So many dumb fights over religion around the world! Gahh!! When will we learn?
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Honestly, I see resources as way more of an issue than religion. People may scowl at each other or even stay completely separate from others over religion, but only a few kill unless there's something else going on. Although there's a problem when one of those few ends up with an army at his disposal.

I'm not religious in the traditional sense (some would call me agnostic, other pantheist, others animist), so this isn't any kind of defense. There are other problems I see with religion, however, if I'm in Group A and Group B lives with their religion without threatening me or those I love, there's no reason religion has to go.

Also, what up's with the Nazi reference? They were efficient cause they were totalitarian with a major brainwashing program in place, not cause they "were scientists". It's well observed that totalitarianism is far more efficient than any sort of democracy or attempt at such. Less people making decisions, they get made faster. No conflicting interests being listened to? Ruthlessness is facilitated.


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If anyone can connect with my mad ravings at all, please share your opinion Please show me there's still some intelligent people out there that actually care about real issues instead of just watching MTV and ESPN all day..
The more you assume people are this way, the less intelligent conversation you'll get. This is an afk tip...


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This world needs real change! Not a bunch of idiots squabbling over power. Why the hell is it so hard for people to be able to tolerate each others beliefs. Why the hell do we halt stem cell research when it has the potential to save millions of lives in the long run ??
What ya gonna do about it?

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I'm becoming increasingly agitated at seeing the status of our world. I live in the US, and I want to live a happy, fulfilling life. Unfortunately my dreams are interrupted by things all over the news. Here's what I've been seeing lately...

China, a nation of over a billion people is gaining power. Under normal circumstances, I would applaud them on their success. The only problem is that the leaders are extremely communist and keep their people in a police state that censors their free speech. You can't have something like this gain influence in the world.

Religion is tearing apart the entire world.. Everyone believes they are right no matter what, because it's "The word of God" no matter who you ask, they're always right. These people are killing each other and basing major social decisions off of religious dogma that is often completely irrational. They believe their gods will solve all the problems, so they sit around and do nothing. These people are completely irrational and it's getting to a point where it's starting to affect my life. This doesn't make me very happy.

This world needs real change! Not a bunch of idiots squabbling over power. Why the hell is it so hard for people to be able to tolerate each others beliefs. Why the hell do we halt stem cell research when it has the potential to save millions of lives in the long run ??

The only way forward is science! Nazi Germany was able to produce immense quantities of material out of just a tiny little country because science was so deeply into their culture in WWII. With science, we can end world hunger! We can get to the point where we never have to compete for natural resources ever again. So why not do it ?? Why does this have to be so hard ?

If anyone can connect with my mad ravings at all, please share your opinion Please show me there's still some intelligent people out there that actually care about real issues instead of just watching MTV and ESPN all day..
For the most part, this could have been written by someone five hundred years ago. Point is, this kind of stuff always exists.

Buuut, if you wanted to do an interesting exercise, write out a positive sentence for every negative sentence, one that carries as much weight. There IS enough positives in the world that you can do this.
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Yep. The world would be a whole lot better off with out us messing it up...I've been saying that for years.

Still, it's up to the individual to choose to be a part of the solution or not. Just bitchin' about how messed up the world is doesn't really do much to help it. Things have been like this for a long time, you're speaking as though it is something new that everything is wrong! (I'm addressing the OP here supertom, not you.)

Not watching the news is a good place to start. Filling yourself up with fear and getting depressed helps nobody!

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LMM, I could do that easily. The better question is what's right with this World?

Also, I recommend to not watch the news, that will keep it from afflicting your happiness so much.
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I don't see anything 'wrong' with the world at hand. It's the way it is and the way it is supposed to be. Humans are here, and criticizing us for just being on the planet is like criticizing yourself for living -- the exact thing, actually.

We're here because the universe, source, whatever you believe in has put us here, and we maybe damaging the Earth or whatever things we find as 'wrong', but that's because we are human. We make mistakes and we are operation on a set of beliefs that help us.
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LMM, I could do that easily. The better question is what's right with this World?
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Opposites of the original sentences.
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Also, I recommend to not watch the news, that will keep it from afflicting your happiness so much.
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Science WILL NOT cure hunger...proper distribution of food and not using food as a weapon will be the cure....Without the technological "advances" we could still feed the world on what we produce...Keep your "science" out of my food thank you very much

As for the idea of for every negative there is a positive.. I agree 100%..I have been reading quite a bit lately about the atrocities that the Turks perpetrated on my grandfathers generation in 1915 and all I can say about it is that it makes me so grateful that I am here at all.. I have no axe to grind with the Turks and I realize that humanity is two sides of the same coin.. we are brutal and uncaring and unfeeling, yet at the same time are full of love and compassionate..... yes there is unrest and disturbance in the world,and there is beauty all around you just have to look for it..Personally I can find it in the most mundane places. a blade of grass, the wrinkles on someones face, A plate of food,even in the mess of a big pile of greasy pots and pans in a kitchen.. Its everywhere...
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I don't see anything 'wrong' with the world at hand. It's the way it is and the way it is supposed to be. Humans are here, and criticizing us for just being on the planet is like criticizing yourself for living -- the exact thing, actually.

We're here because the universe, source, whatever you believe in has put us here, and we maybe damaging the Earth or whatever things we find as 'wrong', but that's because we are human. We make mistakes and we are operation on a set of beliefs that help us.
We're a failed experiment!

But yes, it is the way it is.
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We're a failed experiment!

But yes, it is the way it is.


We're basically planet earth's gremlins.
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What's so great about an Earth without humans? I like humans, I think we spice things up a bit. Every other species is just reactive, but we have the unique ability to imagine and create.
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Your take on science is almost religious. Science is the salvation. Science will save us all. All worship and obey science. Your science religion is better than every other religion and has all the answers. You might even be able to get tax exempt status.

I agree with Elucidate, stop watching the news. You will be much happier.


If you want things to change then stop watching the news and get out there and change things. Then you will be on the news.
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Your take on science is almost religious. Science is the salvation. Science will save us all. All worship and obey science. Your science religion is better than every other religion and has all the answers. You might even be able to get tax exempt status.

I agree with Elucidate, stop watching the news. You will be much happier.


If you want things to change then stop watching the news and get out there and change things. Then you will be on the news.
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... I want to live a happy, fulfilling life.
Me, too. Fortunately, I am in charge of my state; my happiness and fulfillment is not at the effect of circumstances.

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Unfortunately my dreams are interrupted by things all over the news.
Who is doing the interrupting? Who is turning on the tv and picking up the newspaper? Who is choosing to focus on those things that inspire him to stop dreaming?
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Yep. The world would be a whole lot better off with out us messing it up...I've been saying that for years.

Still, it's up to the individual to choose to be a part of the solution or not. Just bitchin' about how messed up the world is doesn't really do much to help it. Things have been like this for a long time, you're speaking as though it is something new that everything is wrong! (I'm addressing the OP here supertom, not you.)

Not watching the news is a good place to start. Filling yourself up with fear and getting depressed helps nobody!
who says the world would be better? its been "worse" long before us and will be worse long after. with out the spark that created us, who knows what the world would be like. What ifs are pointless. Any what if comes with infinite parallel worlds.
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Science is a very useful tool, it's brought us great understanding and technology. It is only a tool... War, intolerance and poverty are social issues.

It's our ethics and culture that must change, how we behave toward the world and each other. Your post implies an interesting question OP, what is the way forward?

What is the future of humanity?

At the moment we still act like a bunch of tribes all fighting over the best stuff. It's going to take a pretty big shift to change that.
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who says the world would be better? its been "worse" long before us and will be worse long after. with out the spark that created us, who knows what the world would be like. What ifs are pointless. Any what if comes with infinite parallel worlds.
Yes. Long before humans, there were at least two mass extinctions, and it took millions of years to recover. I don't think we are a failed experiment, because I don't think the experiment is over yet.
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Who's "we," Kemosabe? You may be a failed experiment, but I am fabulous! <mwah! mwah! love love love kisses self>
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I was speaking of the human race as a whole, not just individuals. We can be fantastic and still destroyers.
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Old 02-05-2011, 11:09 PM   #29 (permalink)
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It's true. I am MAGNIFICENT at mayhem!
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Hi everyone. First post here. I just had to comment on this. It was recently pointed out to me that the legal definition of mayhem is the removal of another person's members (hand, leg, eye, etc). Your post is pretty interesting in this context.
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