What do you think about the massive death of birds and fish

[ar81]

The Big Pom: RECENT WORLD WIDE! DEAD BIRDS AND FISH! THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!

Accident, nature or intentionally caused?
Any ideas?

[1by1]

It's probably just coincidence. You know how it is, the newspapers pick up a story and then go looking for examples all over the world. This sort of thing is probably quite common but it's only now a big fuss is being made. Besides, many more animals are killed every day with the rainforests being cut down and all.

[Bliss Sage]

@1by1: Common?? I don't know where you live, or have traveled, but I've never seen a road covered with dead birds before!

Here's a story in Sweden with a picture of dead birds over the road:

”Hundratals döda fåglar mitt på vägen” I Falköping | Nyheter | Aftonbladet

"Dead birds from heaven in Sweden"
It's in Swedish, but you can see the picture.

[1by1]

There are plenty of examples from the past.

Here is one from March 2010: Mystery as scores of starlings fall out of the sky and lay dying... in a single front garden | Mail Online

Another from July 2008: Mystery as dead birds fall from the sky over Western Australia - Times Online

January 2007: Dead birds rain down on towns half a world apart | Mail Online

And I could probably find earlier examples if I looked long enough.

[Bliss Sage]

Originally Posted by 1by1

There are plenty of examples from the past.

Here is one from March 2010: Mystery as scores of starlings fall out of the sky and lay dying... in a single front garden | Mail Online

Another from July 2008: Mystery as dead birds fall from the sky over Western Australia - Times Online

January 2007: Dead birds rain down on towns half a world apart | Mail Online

And I could probably find earlier examples if I looked long enough.

Hmmm...strange. I wonder what causes those...

[secrets0stolen]

Maybe it's a disease? Wait that wouldn't work. Apparently the "bird autopsies" showed it was blunt force trauma. But maybe a disease could mimic bft?

[James81]

Originally Posted by Bliss Sage

Hmmm...strange. I wonder what causes those...

Time Machines.

[Servina]

Apparently, these things happen all the time, just not in highly populated areas. I think it's just coincidence.

[russianrocket]

this is why.

Link to why

[Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi]

I think it's the canary in a coalmine situation. Smaller organisms always die first from environmental pollutants.

I think it's amusing that people want to believe that this is perfectly normal and has happened frequently in the past. Generally that's the case though. People refused to admit that smoking cigarettes caused cancer for what, half a century? Laughable.

[elucidate]

Is it really so hard to believe or work out why? The oceans are polluted people, with all sorts of crap, nevermind all the oil spills of the past, just with human crap and rubbish that fish and sea creatures ingest by accident.

The birds eat the fish, the poisoned fish, which poison them. We eat the fish too...think about that!

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Is it really so hard to believe or work out why? The oceans are polluted people, with all sorts of crap, nevermind all the oil spills of the past, just with human crap and rubbish that fish and sea creatures ingest by accident.

The birds eat the fish, the poisoned fish, which poison them. We eat the fish too...think about that!

The exact same kind of fish, at the exact same time? The exact same kind of birds, at the exact same time? Lets not start blaming pollution right off the bat, because there is no way pollution can be attributed to something like this.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi

I think it's the canary in a coalmine situation. Smaller organisms always die first from environmental pollutants.

I think it's amusing that people want to believe that this is perfectly normal and has happened frequently in the past. Generally that's the case though. People refused to admit that smoking cigarettes caused cancer for what, half a century? Laughable.

No way. It happened in Louisiana, Canada, Japan, Italy and Sweden. Are you saying that each one of those places has such a drastic environment from pollutants, that it caused this? Since when is Sweden and Canada that polluted? You'd think that the places on this planet that ARE actually polluted, would be the first to have these situations, yet that's not the case.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

No way. It happened in Louisiana, Canada, Japan, Italy and Sweden. Are you saying that each one of those places has such a drastic environment from pollutants, that it caused this? Since when is Sweden and Canada that polluted? You'd think that the places on this planet that ARE actually polluted, would be the first to have these situations, yet that's not the case.

You're on ignore remember

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

The exact same kind of fish, at the exact same time? The exact same kind of birds, at the exact same time? Lets not start blaming pollution right off the bat, because there is no way pollution can be attributed to something like this.

There was nothing I read that suggested they were the exact same kind of fish or birds. Where did you get that from?

It stated that all kinds of different birds and fish were affected, and it said nothing about it being at the same time.

Why so quick to dismiss the pollution factor? These creatures are small, and poison in their system affects them faster than it would humans.

You do get that the Oceans are all connected don't you? SO , therefore, whatever poison is released in one part of the world, will eventually reach other parts of the world as well.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by elucidate

There was nothing I read that suggested they were the exact same kind of fish or birds. Where did you get that from?

It stated that all kinds of different birds and fish were affected, and it said nothing about it being at the same time. Except for a few cases where there were 1-3 kinds of birds/fish. But, still all at the same time.

Why so quick to dismiss the pollution factor? These creatures are small, and poison in their system affects them faster than it would humans.

You do get that the Oceans are all connected don't you? SO , therefore, whatever poison is released in one part of the world, will eventually reach other parts of the world as well.

Each individual bird or fish die off, was the same kinda animal, and at the same time.

sweden were the jaydaws
Dozens of jackdaws found dead in Sweden - Yahoo! News

Arkansas was the redwing black bird
Thousands of dead birds and fish in Arkansas leave many scratching heads - Yahoo! News

It covered about a mile. The fish in Arkansas were all drum fish. Covered 20 mile river.

Same thing goes for pretty much every other incident. And every other incident, while happening at separate time period.... The deaths at the individidual incidents happened at the same time. The birds in Arkansas all died the same day. The fish all died at the same time.

To me, that does not seem like being pollution, even in the slightest. Pollution would kill completely randomly. Not just one type of bird in one area. And not multiple incidents all over the world, around the same 7 day period, with completely different environments.

I don't think I've seen even one explanation that contributed it to pollution.

Now, I'm not saying that we should not care about pollution. Just, that THIS situation shouldn't be used against pollution. Hell, it could be polar shifts. It could be sun spot activity. It could be electronic interference. Way to many things, other then pollution.

[elucidate]

Yes, it could be a whole variety of reasons. I was reading from the link given in this thread, not from all the others that I have since found. I only read about this today. The link about the jackdaws said that mass death of birds isn't uncommon, and that fireworks could have frightened them to death, literally. The same goes for the birds in Arkansas.

Some of the birds were found to have a strange blue color on the tip of their beaks, which suggests they dipped them in something they shouldn't have? Some were found with their intestinal tracks completely mushed, after they just dropped from the sky? Could a fall from the sky make their innards all mush?

Electro-magnetic interference seems like a possibility. Some are saying it has to do with HAARP technologies?

[Dezarae]

Do you think this is for real or another conspiracy theory?

Top US Official Murdered After Arkansas Weapons Test Causes Mass Death | EUTimes.net

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Dezarae

Do you think this is for real or another conspiracy theory?

Top US Official Murdered After Arkansas Weapons Test Causes Mass Death | EUTimes.net

Well, it certainly wouldn't be the first time the american government has tested out poisonous gases on living beings before using them in war.

I once saw an archival film made in the 60's showing american civilians swimming in a public pool one day, and a military aircraft flew over head and released some sort of substance on them. It was later reported that many of those people developed burns, and cancer, and gave birth to children with deformities years later. What they sprayed was later said to be agent orange, which was used as a weapon in the vietnam war. I cannot prove it though and I have no links to provide. I saw this when I was at school, over 17 years ago!

I wouldn't put it past them though.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Yes, it could be a whole variety of reasons. I was reading from the link given in this thread, not from all the others that I have since found. I only read about this today. The link about the jackdaws said that mass death of birds isn't uncommon, and that fireworks could have frightened them to death, literally. The same goes for the birds in Arkansas.

Some of the birds were found to have a strange blue color on the tip of their beaks, which suggests they dipped them in something they shouldn't have? Some were found with their intestinal tracks completely mushed, after they just dropped from the sky? Could a fall from the sky make their innards all mush?

Electro-magnetic interference seems like a possibility. Some are saying it has to do with HAARP technologies?

The blue beaks, if I read correctly a few days ago, could be from lack of oxygen. For example, if electro interference or some pole shifting, cause them to fly too high. Which would then explain the damage from dropping out of the sky from a high altitude. Tho, the blue tipped birds, were only from one death, I believe, so that could be just another way of them dying. Who knows how many explanations there are lol Maybe it was one issue, that caused various issues around the world? We'll see I guess

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

The blue beaks, if I read correctly a few days ago, could be from lack of oxygen. For example, if electro interference or some pole shifting, cause them to fly too high. Which would then explain the damage from dropping out of the sky from a high altitude. Tho, the blue tipped birds, were only from one death, I believe, so that could be just another way of them dying. Who knows how many explanations there are lol Maybe it was one issue, that caused various issues around the world? We'll see I guess

That's interesting. Thanks.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by elucidate

That's interesting. Thanks.

no problem : D

[Brutha]

If you blame general pollution then why did they all die at the same time?

Do you think this is for real or another conspiracy theory?

Top US Official Murdered After Arkansas Weapons Test Causes Mass Death | EUTimes.net

Why should a Arkansas weapon test kill birds in Sweden?
If this gas killed the birds than it would also be easy to prove by investigating the birds.

I cannot prove it though and I have no links to provide. I saw this when I was at school, over 17 years ago!

Don't believe everything people told you in school.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Brutha

If you blame general pollution then why did they all die at the same time?

Yes, I have since changed my thinking about that, and questioned that, thanks.

Why should a Arkansas weapon test kill birds in Sweden?

I have no idea. I didn't say it did. I'm more of the opinion that they probably did die from fright after the fireworks.

If this gas killed the birds than it would also be easy to prove by investigating the birds.

Yes, and when they do an autopsy on the birds they will know for sure

Don't believe everything people told you in school.

I don't. Infact I hardly remember anything I was told now.

This was an archival film, made in the 60's. It showed people wearing fashion from then, and the black and white footage seemed really authentic, as well as the aircraft were really primitive compared to what there is today. It showed a substance being released from the airplane onto the people swimming, who seemed unaware of what was going on above them.

But yes, you're right...I can't know for sure that any of it was real or what it was being sold as, and conspiracy theorists and anarchists have their agendas as well.

Still, if scientists do vivisection on animals and test chemicals on animals, who is to say that people in the government wouldn't go so far as to experiment on real people before the war, just to see what would happen? I'm sure it would be something relevant at the time to want to know, before just dumping a load of it on soldiers in vietnam.

I know most of you don't like to think that people are capable of this, governments especially...but seeing as many people in government see the people as being merely numbers on documents, is it really such a stretch to think they would be capable of doing this?

Having said this, it could also be totally bogus?

[secrets0stolen]

Originally Posted by elucidate

But yes, you're right...I can't know for sure that any of it was real or what it was being sold as, and conspiracy theorists and anarchists have their agendas as well.

They don't usually show propaganda from either of those groups in school though?

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by secrets0stolen

They don't usually show propaganda from either of those groups in school though?

I went to a school without walls, where there were no rules and you basically had to discipline yourself since you weren't required to attend class if you didn't want to.

There was a very heavy anarchistic bent at that school, which influenced me quite a lot in my younger years.

We were allowed to smoke pot during school, and some of the teachers would smoke it with us.

[Brutha]

This was an archival film, made in the 60's. It showed people wearing fashion from then, and the black and white footage seemed really authentic, as well as the aircraft were really primitive compared to what there is today. It showed a substance being released from the airplane onto the people swimming, who seemed unaware of what was going on above them.

How many people in the 60's would have a camera to film an airplane in the moment it's on a mission to releasing poison over swimmers?

Still, if scientists do vivisection on animals and test chemicals on animals, who is to say that people in the government wouldn't go so far as to experiment on real people before the war, just to see what would happen?

If you are a US government official and would feel the need to test your chemical weapons on humans I doubt that you would release them in the US.
You would rather let a denialable thirdparty release them in some remote region in Africa.

Even then the political risk that the information would become public should prevent such behavior. That the kind of secret where you can blackmail with the threat of exposing the secret.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Brutha

How many people in the 60's would have a camera to film an airplane in the moment it's on a mission to releasing poison over swimmers?

I'm not sure? If it were a low number though, it doesn't mean there was no one who did, surely someone would. I see what you are saying though.

It does seem funny that someone would happen to be filming at a public pool just as this supposedly occured...though not entirely unfeasible. People these days are always taking films of their friends and family having fun in public.

Just because there are more people who can afford and have access to video cameras now, doesn't mean that the same thing didn't happen back then with someone who was privelaged enough to own one then, does it?

If you are a US government official and would feel the need to test your chemical weapons on humans I doubt that you would release them in the US.
You would rather let a denialable thirdparty release them in some remote region in Africa.

That would make more sense yes. Times were much more innocent back then though, and people would never suspect their government would do anything like that. People still don't like to think this could be the case, and who could blame them?

Even then the political risk that the information would become public should prevent such behavior. That the kind of secret where you can blackmail with the threat of exposing the secret.

Well since neither of us know whether this actually happened or not (information becoming public), it's hard to say. It could very well have been just another propaganda film designed to brainwash young minds?

If it is real, who's to say someone didn't use it to blackmail? After all, if it can end up in the film library of a school like my old one, twenty years later, who knows where it came from?

Then again, there was a heavy focus on art and creative pursuits there, so it's possible it was some kids art and film project that they thought would be funny to slip into the general library posing as an archival historical documentary film?

it looked pretty real to me though, but I also know that technology can make anything look pretty real these days. It's very hard to discern what is real and what is fake.

Probably safest to believe nothing.

[elucidate]

I decided to have a look, just to see if I could find anything pertaining to the film I witnessed when I was at school...and so far nothing, I did, however, find this:

Yes, we are being sprayed, Part 2 By Carol Pellatt (December 2007)

The only thing I can say is that denial is a killer...and it allows people that you trust to pretty much do what they like, and get away with it, whether it be government officials or family members. That much I know to be true, regardless of any misinformation that may be present in either links.

If you scroll down to the section entitled "Smorgasboard" it gives accounts of soldiers in the vietnam war telling how they saw planes fly low over them and release a white substance that was agent orange on them. We all know those people were NOT taken care of post war, and were seen as pawns by those in power.

This is an opposing article about the founder of "educate yourself" website, Ken Adachi.

It's up to you who you think is a whack job and who you think is telling the truth...Barbara Hartwell vs. CIA: Ken Adachi & Educate Yourself, Promoting Fallacies on CIA & MC Ops

Whether or not it's the truth of things, I cannot say...but it is always possible.

I suppose at the end of the day though, is there much we can really do about it if it is true?

Is it just therefore scaremongering to even go there? I'm not meaning to if it is, but I certainly would like to know if I am being poisoned against my will without even knowing about it!