UFOS. The world will NEVER be same again.

[bloodworksinc]

Anyone familiiar with the The UFO DISCLOSURE Project will not doubt the existence of these fellow extraterrestials.

YouTube - U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT -FULL VERSION

There seem to be some hints of urgency or else why would they want the world to open up?

It seems that the have indeed been technological transference which can alter global warming.

People, THEY ARE HERE.

[elucidate]

Given that this was posted in February 2006, and that most of those testimonies dated back to the mid to late 60's...I'd say 'They' have been here for quite a while.

I've seen 'objects' in the sky, on three seperate occasions, once with an old boyfriend and twice on my own, that did not behave like 'normal' earthly aircrafts, and have friends who have witnessed crafts hovering about 100 metres off the ground at outdoor music festivals...in broad daylight.

I found some of those people to be very believable and describe exactly what I have witnessed, so I tend to think some of them are telling the truth...even though, generally I tend to doubt anything any government official says, especially when they start spouting that what they are saying is the truth.

Originally Posted by bloodworksinc

Anyone familiiar with the The UFO DISCLOSURE Project will not doubt the existence of these fellow extraterrestials.

YouTube - U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT -FULL VERSION

There seem to be some hints of urgency or else why would they want the world to open up?

It seems that the have indeed been technological transference which can alter global warming.

People, THEY ARE HERE.

[James81]

I tend to think that the "unearthly aircraft" sightings stories are usually true...and they ARE UFOs. That is, unidentified flying objects.

I'm pretty sure the military tests new crafts all the time, and I'm also pretty sure that it's probably a very secretive process.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by James81

I tend to think that the "unearthly aircraft" sightings stories are usually true...and they ARE UFOs. That is, unidentified flying objects.

I'm pretty sure the military tests new crafts all the time, and I'm also pretty sure that it's probably a very secretive process.

If they have technology that can cause their "test crafts" to fly at the speeds that I have witnessed,and to stop stand still in space in a moment and then zip off at bizarre angles, then they probably have good reason to be so secretive.

[James81]

Originally Posted by elucidate

If they have technology that can cause their "test crafts" to fly at the speeds that I have witnessed then they probably have good reason to be so secretive.

You might be pretty surprised at the technology that is out there.

Just a mere 20 years ago, the interenet was some "myth" that some people may have heard about, but nobody had a clue what was going on. The technology for it actually had it's origins in the 1960's. Now look at where we are.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by James81

You might be pretty surprised at the technology that is out there.

Just a mere 20 years ago, the interenet was some "myth" that some people may have heard about, but nobody had a clue what was going on. Now look at where we are.

Yeah...however I seriously doubt that they had this kind of technology BACK THEN, in the 60's!

[James81]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Yeah...however I seriously doubt that they had this kind of technology BACK THEN, in the 60's!

Actually, I edited in my post that the technology for the internet actually begin in the 1960's.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by James81

Actually, I edited in my post that the technology for the internet actually begin in the 1960's.

Yes, and that's amazing, though the computers back then were fairly primitive I think you'll agree...however, it ain't in the same league as what these guys are talking about.

Crafts that can fly so fast that they leave a flashing trail , like a computer mouse on the screen...I've seen that. Craft that can come to an immediate and abrupt total halt in the sky and then just disappear...I have a hard time believing they had that technology back then.

[James81]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Yes, and that's amazing...however, it ain't in the same league as what these guys are talking about. Crafts that can fly so fast that they leave a flashing trail , like a computer mouse on the screen...I've seen that. Craft that can come to an immediate and abrupt total halt in the sky and then just disappear...

Yes, but I'm assuming that you've seen this within the past 30 or so years (I think I've heard you say that you were in your 30's), so that means that you've seen this sometime since like the 1980's?

To me, I look at the two options at hand (there are more options, but I'll use the two at hand):

1. These crafts are extraterrestial beings from deep outer space (we havent found life in our solar system, so they almost have to be from another galaxy) that have traveled at speeds faster than the speed of light to get here and they are here to spy on us.

OR

2. There are areas of technology that we simply have NO IDEA just *how* advanced we really are. And that the government tries to hide it based on profit motivations, military reasons, and the fact that we, as a society, just aren't ready for them yet. (like how the internet has been in existence since the 60's, but it didn't become mainstream until the mid 90's)

I look at those two options, and, well, to me it's a no-brainer.

I'm not saying I don't believe in life elsewhere in the universe (I do, actually). I just don't think we are getting bombarded with visits from aliens. Nor do I totally dismiss the idea that it can happen. In fact, it *might* have happened (I dunno).

In fact, it could even be possible that *we* are the aliens on this planet and that we arrived here 50,000 years ago.

I'm just saying that the stuff you see in the night sky is probably technology that you aren't aware of and that you probably wouldn't believe was possible even if you were aware of it.

[elucidate]

I've considered everything you have mentioned here, and yes, I'm 36 and had these experiences before 2006 when that video was made. I think I first saw one when I was 18...so that would make it 1992.

I don't just believe that I am one of those people who have seen UFO's just because I've seen strange things in the sky.

I'm absolutely positive that the government has technology they don't want to share with us, and lots of other stuff as well, and it's totally possible that what I have seen are examples of this.

I just somehow doubt that they had this particular technology back in the 60's! But I could be wrong.

As amazing as the Internet is, it pales in comparison with aircraft that can move like these things can.

If we aren't being bombarded, as you say, then how come people all over america and other places are constantly sending reports, on a daily basis, and have for years, about sightings all over the country, at all times of the day? Are they just seeking attention? Wanting to 'join the bandwagon' and feel special?

Originally Posted by James81

Yes, but I'm assuming that you've seen this within the past 30 or so years (I think I've heard you say that you were in your 30's), so that means that you've seen this sometime since like the 1980's?

To me, I look at the two options at hand (there are more options, but I'll use the two at hand):

1. These crafts are extraterrestial beings from deep outer space (we havent found life in our solar system, so they almost have to be from another galaxy) that have traveled at speeds faster than the speed of light to get here and they are here to spy on us.

OR

2. There are areas of technology that we simply have NO IDEA just *how* advanced we really are. And that the government tries to hide it based on profit motivations, military reasons, and the fact that we, as a society, just aren't ready for them yet. (like how the internet has been in existence since the 60's, but it didn't become mainstream until the mid 90's)

I look at those two options, and, well, to me it's a no-brainer.

I'm not saying I don't believe in life elsewhere in the universe (I do, actually). I just don't think we are getting bombarded with visits from aliens. Nor do I totally dismiss the idea that it can happen. In fact, it *might* have happened (I dunno).

In fact, it could even be possible that *we* are the aliens on this planet and that we arrived here 50,000 years ago.

I'm just saying that the stuff you see in the night sky is probably technology that you aren't aware of and that you probably wouldn't believe was possible even if you were aware of it.

[spacecadetglow]

Originally Posted by James81

1. These crafts are extraterrestial beings from deep outer space (we havent found life in our solar system, so they almost have to be from another galaxy) that have traveled at speeds faster than the speed of light to get here and they are here to spy on us.

Huh? Just because we haven't found life in our solar system means that life couldn't possibly exist inside our whole galaxy? You've either mixed your astronomical terms up, or have seriously underestimated the size of the galaxy and the vast amounts of space that remain unexplored within it. That's quite the leap in logic... especially considering the recent NASA announcement.

[James81]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I've considered everything you have mentioned here.

I don't just believe that I am one of those people who have seen UFO's just because I've seen strange things in the sky.

I'm absolutely positive that the government has technology they don't want to share with us, and lots of other stuff as well, and it's totally possible that what I have seen are examples of this.

I just somehow doubt that they had this particular technology back in the 60's! But I could be wrong.

As amazing as the Internet is, it pales in comparison with aircraft that can move like these things can.

I'm just not sure why you keep mentioning this technology back in the 60's. You said you've seen this stuff. You've also said that you are in your mid? thirties.

For you to have physically witnessed this stuff, you would have to be at least 50 years old to have personally witnessed this stuff.

Help me understand why you keep mentioning the 60's. Because, any knowledge that a 30+ year old person would have on this stuff in the 60's has to be secondhand knowledge.

[James81]

I don't rule out the possibility that you are a time traveler, btw.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by James81

I'm just not sure why you keep mentioning this technology back in the 60's. You said you've seen this stuff. You've also said that you are in your mid? thirties.

For you to have physically witnessed this stuff, you would have to be at least 50 years old to have personally witnessed this stuff.

Help me understand why you keep mentioning the 60's. Because, any knowledge that a 30+ year old person would have on this stuff in the 60's has to be secondhand knowledge.

It's real easy.

If you noticed in the film, most of those people were talking about incidences that occured as far back as 1964...which is why I have mentioned it so much. I can only guess you didn't actually watch the film, or at least didn't watch it the whole way through?

And how did you come to the conclusion that I would have to be 50 to have witnessed this stuff? You are mixing up what I'm saying here.

I personally witnessed things like what these people talked about from the time period of 1992-2003.

I am speaking about the fact that I doubt the technology you are speaking of, has been around since the 60's when these people are saying they witnessed these craft.

Do you see the distinction here?

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by James81

I don't rule out the possibility that you are a time traveler, btw.

I could be. Maybe I just haven't figured out How to...yet

[James81]

Originally Posted by elucidate

It's real easy.

If you noticed in the film, most of those people were talking about incidences that occured as far back as 1964...which is why I have mentioned it so much. I can only guess you didn't actually watch the film, or at least didn't watch it the whole way through?

And how did you come to the conclusion that I would have to be 50 to have witnessed this stuff? You are mixing up what I'm saying here.

I personally witnessed things like what these people talked about from the time period of 1992-2003.

I am speaking about the technology having been around since the 60's when these people are saying they witnessed these craft.

Do you see the distinction here?

Oh, ok. I didn't watch the film (can't on this computer).

I don't believe everything I see on film, though. I would believe YOU, because I know you and I don't think you are crazy.

But even IF I believed what was on the film (as per what you said since I didn't watch it), it's still easier to believe that this technology was around in the 60's than it is to believe that aliens are spying on us or that they traveled the distances they'd have to travel to get here at the speeds they would have to travel to do it.

[James81]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I could be. Maybe I just haven't figured out How to...yet

Funnily enough, I find it easier to believe in the concept of time travel than I do the possibility that of all the billions of planets that are out there, there are aliens that keep repeatedly showing up here and that their crafts, while performing things we believe to be incapable of earthly vessels, still *look* like manmade ideals for what a space craft should look like.

[sorter]

Originally Posted by bloodworksinc

People, THEY ARE HERE.

So?
Until they show themselves, i.e. help us or eat us, I just don't care.



.

[James81]

To add to the technology discussion, think about our internet example for a minute.

The origins of the internet has it's beginnings in the 60's. That's 50 years of technological growth from the moment it was first conceived to where we are now. And, well, I'm literally astounded at the idea of the internet and where we are now with it and how quickly we advanced in those 50 years.

Now, the first aircraft, as flown by the wright brothers, was in 1902.

From 1902 to 1960 is 58 years.

I can't imagine what could've been possible in 58 years. That's quite a bit of time for the technology of aircraft to grow.

I don't think it's *entirely* unreasonable for the technology to have grown that much in those 58 years. But for the same reasons why 1960's society wasn't ready for the internet, I can see why they might not be ready for the types of crafts you were talking about.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by James81

Oh, ok. I didn't watch the film (can't on this computer).

I don't believe everything I see on film, though. I would believe YOU, because I know you and I don't think you are crazy.

But even IF I believed what was on the film (as per what you said since I didn't watch it), it's still easier to believe that this technology was around in the 60's than it is to believe that aliens are spying on us or that they traveled the distances they'd have to travel to get here at the speeds they would have to travel to do it.

But why is it so much harder to believe that there are advanced races that can travel wherever they want in half the time than it is to believe that, as evolved as we are, we could have this technology already...or even moreso, that we had it back then? As great as we are, I think you are grossly over-estimating our potential, at that time.

Personally I find it more likely that there are civilizations that are more advanced, that we don't know about, than I do that we had this kind of advanced technology back in the 60's...but I can't know for sure?

Maybe, the government has known about, and communicated with, aliens since before then, and have actually formed alliances with certain breeds of beings who have been willing to share their technology with us?

I , for one, don't assume that all possible breeds of other beings out there are necessarily benevolent and WANT to help us.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by James81

Funnily enough, I find it easier to believe in the concept of time travel than I do the possibility that of all the billions of planets that are out there, there are aliens that keep repeatedly showing up here and that their crafts, while performing things we believe to be incapable of earthly vessels, still *look* like manmade ideals for what a space craft should look like.

It is a bit of a jump to think they would just come to us, given that there are untold galaxies out there...BUT, one thing is for sure...there is NOWHERE in this galaxy, that we know of, that is quite like earth in terms of our resources, and the diversity and complexity of Life here.

[James81]

Originally Posted by elucidate

But why is it so much harder to believe that there are advanced races that can travel wherever they want in half the time than it is to believe that, as evolved as we are, we could have this technology already...or even moreso, that we had it back then? As great as we are, I think you are grossly over-estimating our potential, at that time.

Because I believe that a race that would be capable of building such a craft, is probably conscious enough to not *need* craft to travel like that.

[elucidate]

Look, it's possible that what you are saying is true, and if so, then the people who designed these crafts were certainly way ahead of their time in terms of both aerodynamic capabilities and actual design of the craft.

metal is used to make fighter planes and other craft, so it could have been some artists wet dream come true to design a metallic, eliptical disc that was so far out of the aesthetic norm as to be considered from another planet.

Originally Posted by James81

To add to the technology discussion, think about our internet example for a minute.

The origins of the internet has it's beginnings in the 60's. That's 50 years of technological growth from the moment it was first conceived to where we are now. And, well, I'm literally astounded at the idea of the internet and where we are now with it and how quickly we advanced in those 50 years.

Now, the first aircraft, as flown by the wright brothers, was in 1902.

From 1902 to 1960 is 58 years.

I can't imagine what could've been possible in 58 years. That's quite a bit of time for the technology of aircraft to grow.

I don't think it's *entirely* unreasonable for the technology to have grown that much in those 58 years. But for the same reasons why 1960's society wasn't ready for the internet, I can see why they might not be ready for the types of crafts you were talking about.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by James81

Because I believe that a race that would be capable of building such a craft, is probably conscious enough to not *need* craft to travel like that.

But that's an assumption based on your own finite human perceptions in thinking that.

Who is to say that beings from another planet even HAVE the same kind of mental processes as us? That's projecting our humanity onto them. If they are alien, then they clearly aren't human, right?

[secrets0stolen]

Originally Posted by James81

Because I believe that a race that would be capable of building such a craft, is probably conscious enough to not *need* craft to travel like that.

If they're benevolent, then this is most likely true.

[James81]

Originally Posted by elucidate

But that's an assumption based on your own finite human perceptions in thinking that.

Who is to say that beings from another planet even HAVE the same kind of mental processes as us? That's projecting our humanity onto them. If they are alien, then they clearly aren't human, right?

That's a good point, actually.

It's all human projection though. Not just my ideas. We do the same thing with aliens that we do with God...we project our humanity onto them.

As far as the other comment, I don't think a giant round disc is very conducive to speed in terms of aerodynamics and design.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by sorter

So?
Until they show themselves, i.e. help us or eat us, I just don't care.



.

I've also been of this attitude...infact, when I did witness two funny things in the sky with my boyfriend, he was **** scared, but because it was the third such sighting for me, I was more like..."meh"

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by James81

That's a good point, actually.

It's all human projection though. Not just my ideas. We do the same thing with aliens that we do with God...we project our humanity onto them.

As far as the other comment, I don't think a giant round disc is very conducive to speed in terms of aerodynamics and design.

Oh I forgot, you're an engineer, right?

[James81]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Oh I forgot, you're an engineer, right?

Yeah. It's a curse.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by James81

Yeah. It's a curse.

So then, knowing what you know to be true as far as form and physics go, what would be the ideal shape for a ship to be able to move at those sorts of speeds?