World order.World peace.Food,cloth, shelter education for everyone

[kamalkat]

Hi Everyone,
Well I believe that world peace is possible and first world countries can come together and make sure that Third world countries have the necessary order to achieve the goal of World peace,food,cloth, shelter and education for everyone.
I believe if the governments of the day really want they can remove all the problems of the mankind.
Because all the problems are making of mind and if we can create a truly educated society it is possible. It may not happen overnight but if the intention to solve the problems is expressed and neccessary actions are initiated towards that goal then in time to come we can solve most problems of the world including vexed inter personal problems.
Now who is a truely educated person.A truely educated person is one who comforts himself/herself and discomforts none. It might look like a simple definition but on analyses it will be clear that if each one of us can accept this definition then either we are truly educated or striving to be truely educated either way we will have a comforting world because we are comforting ourselves and discomforting none.

In such a state whole state machinery is used to serve only one main key objective that is to “truly educate people”.We should be using most state resources for this key objective. Whatever the state machinery does its policy will not loose sight of this main objective.
Such a state will have the following necessary concepts, which will be necessary part of its policy.

·All crimes are failure of state machinery of some description.
·State takes full responsibility for crimes and level of discomfort in the society.
·Violation of state rules is an indicator of level of discomfort of society. State shapes all its policies and fixes the problems from its roots to minimise the discomfort to the extent possible
·State measures its performance by continual reduction in crime and continual increase in level of comfort in the society.
This will require a new concept of State “where State is a cosmic entity interested only in advancing interests of humans to bring them closer to The Ultimate Truth”

There are some key concepts, which we need to understand and can debate:
·All problems are problems of making of mind. Here mind is all-inclusive being there is no body independent of mind. The limbs and body parts are mere extension of mind
·We only communicate to our selves rest all is energy exchange and impact. . It is impossible to communicate fully using language alone.
·We must enjoy what we are doing even if it is painful, because we believe in it.
·Expectations are the root cause of most miseries. Reasonable Expectations make life interesting.
·Most health problems are making of mind.

Lot to say.... Will wait for your comments.Cheers!!

[ar81]

You are right. Compensations paid in 3 banks that were subject to bailouts are 35 times bigger that all international aid in Haiti.

You may like to read this

EPI Releases - Data Highlights: U.S. Feeds One Quarter of its Grain to Cars While Hunger is on the Rise | EPI

BBC NEWS | Europe | World hunger 'hits one billion'

What we need is a planetary middle class. It would maximize profits for entrepreneurs and also it would allow people to make a living.

[Brutha]

·State measures its performance by continual reduction in crime and continual increase in level of comfort in the society.
This will require a new concept of State “where State is a cosmic entity interested only in advancing interests of humans to bring them closer to The Ultimate Truth”

Basically you want a totalitarian state. Those policies are highly dangerous and for good reasons free societies measure themselves by different standards. Means aren't irrelevant.

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by ar81

You are right. Compensations paid in 3 banks that were subject to bailouts are 35 times bigger that all international aid in Haiti.

You may like to read this

EPI Releases - Data Highlights: U.S. Feeds One Quarter of its Grain to Cars While Hunger is on the Rise | EPI

BBC NEWS | Europe | World hunger 'hits one billion'

What we need is a planetary middle class. It would maximize profits for entrepreneurs and also it would allow people to make a living.

Thanks for this information.

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Basically you want a totalitarian state. Those policies are highly dangerous and for good reasons free societies measure themselves by different standards. Means aren't irrelevant.

Prima facie it looks totalitarian. I dont want any change in the current system of democracy and election of representatives for governing and legislating.
There can always be difference in How?How to achieve the goal of Truely educating people.Plus I am for even more freedom with the idea that we are totally unleashed from all chains.

What I would like is that consensus that if we have educated masses then most problems of the world could be tackeled.

What pains me is we are here,we will die and the world still continues to be like this. We should be able to do something and my solutions is channelising energy for truely educating masses.

[Brutha]

Prima facie it looks totalitarian.

It's the political consensus of totalitarian states.
We moved past it for good reasons in the West.

States aren't supposed to do everything in their power to reduce crimes but have to honor rights of their citizens.
States are especially not supposed to censor certain opinions to create harmony the Chinese way.
It works and the Chinese government is more popular with it's people than the American government with Americans.

The ends however don't justify the means. When we make public policy we should think about the rights of people.

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by Brutha

It's the political consensus of totalitarian states.
We moved past it for good reasons in the West.

States aren't supposed to do everything in their power to reduce crimes but have to honor rights of their citizens.
States are especially not supposed to censor certain opinions to create harmony the Chinese way.
It works and the Chinese government is more popular with it's people than the American government with Americans.

The ends however don't justify the means. When we make public policy we should think about the rights of people.

I think it will be better if we see it as a new form of state.
State does not use its power to reduce crime but reduction of crime is the by product of truely educating people and as I said a educated person does not discomfort any one and comforts himself/herself.
It is moving ahead from the current state not behind.What all the good things like rights of citizens are intact.In additions criminals are treated more humanly as it was not there fault but failure of the state in not providing the conducive environment.
I go towards the American way as a start and then take the route of further liberalising.Making life more and more free from controls and laws for future generations to come.What remains is only rules for social interaction and government functioning. But that can happen if people are truly educated which is a big ask and big task.
I despise any censorship or unnecessary controls unless necessary for running of government.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

First I agree with Brutha, your idea is the very definition of a totalitarian government.

Second, what is this 'The Ultimate Truth'? The whole of humanity worships so many different Gods and Goddesses, or holds so many different philosophies and moral codes did you not consider that there are perhaps infinite versions of 'The Ultimate Truth' and that searching for it in such a gung ho communistic fashion is only redundant?

You fail to recognize that how people search for Truth in their life is carried on in infinite variations. This isn't something that can be schooled and structured for us. Sure, some people will gladly hop on the bandwagon for this new State sponsored Cosmic Truth Force and I imagine they'd be the same sort of people who fall head over heels for mainstream organized religion but a large group of people will not agree with your idea of truth or how to go about searching for it! Some may even have absolutely no interest in truth and would prefer to live the life of a creative illusionist. Until we can come to an agreement on our own terms as a species, there will be no productive banding together of humanity to search 'the cosmos' for your Ultimate Truth (is that trademarked yet?)

Although, some might say that banding together already happened and we are already merrily on our way to truth, or whatever.

I personally have little interest in spoon feeding the world. Not everyone pictures Mother Theresa or Gandhi when they consider who they would be like ideally. It may surprise you to know that few people do picture themselves as a compassionate ascetic overflowing with love and generosity when picturing their ideal selves. It may also surprise you to know that Mother Earth is not some wounded, tormented thing that wants only to love and care for her unruly children. Nature wants you dead, plain and simple. And the cosmos, as an extension of that primal chaotic force known as nature, is just as indifferent and uncaring toward your existence.

I am now going to **** on your definition of an educated person. Brace yourself. You define an educated person as someone who comforts themselves and discomforts no one. Your ideal world is one where everyone lives in their comfortable little space and treats everyone comfortably so no one's egos get bruised and no ones flesh gets ripped every once in a while. A society that is so comfortable that people start to grow weak. Incredibly weak, like little breakable pieces of fine jewelry. Say something outside of mankind, or within mankind, sees all this as an opportunity. A feast. Because the universe is not all good, there will be forces that see this comfortable, padded and nicely organized society much like a favorite canned good neatly lined in rows on a supermarket shelf, each portion nicely and comfortably kept in its little secure container. Your society will breed cattle. Livestock. People educated on how to be comfortable, how to be okay with the fact that their life lacks the sharp and cold sting of reality. People okay with the fact that the absence of pain and suffering has made all happiness dull and ordinary, not something to be grateful for but rather something that is to be expected. In such a society, where no wounds are inflicted, there will be no healing. Only monotonous stagnation. The suffering we go through is necessary. It's a teacher. Hunger is not trying to teach us to feed the world and put a band aid on our deeper issues as conscious beings, it's teaching us to endure and evolve. There will always be suffering for that reason. You can't hide it and why would you want to? Without suffering, we never learn to heal and to be compassionate. The very motivation for your ideal world would quickly vanish in a society with no pain.

[Brutha]

State does not use its power to reduce crime but reduction of crime is the by product of truely educating people and as I said a educated person does not discomfort any one and comforts himself/herself.

How do you know that states won't do that when they feel it's their prime responsibility to reduce crimes?
When you try to improve how states work than you should try to understand why they don't do the things that you want them to do.

[Double]

I dont know if the government can do anything else than drag humanity down. I mean look at history, which government program or government in general has ever lifted its people? Romans dont exist today, egyptians dont... In the future americans and westerners wont.. The chineese however, are enjoying a rumbling increase in living standards.. As it turns out the government have actually been taking an off-hands approach. I hear they enjoy a largely free-market based economy over there. Free-market is the opposite of government. But the chineese have government too, it is easy to prefict the chineese wont exist in the future as well. America had a free-market system, what it is was founded with. Today however, the people are largely oppressed by rules and regulation, heavy inflationary environment because of government controlled money supply (Which is a hidden tax), and then the tax burden in general. The state is a seed of evil.

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by Double

I dont know if the government can do anything else than drag humanity down. I mean look at history, which government program or government in general has ever lifted its people? Romans dont exist today, egyptians dont... In the future americans and westerners wont.. The chineese however, are enjoying a rumbling increase in living standards.. As it turns out the government have actually been taking an off-hands approach. I hear they enjoy a largely free-market based economy over there. Free-market is the opposite of government. But the chineese have government too, it is easy to prefict the chineese wont exist in the future as well. America had a free-market system, what it is was founded with. Today however, the people are largely oppressed by rules and regulation, heavy inflationary environment because of government controlled money supply (Which is a hidden tax), and then the tax burden in general. The state is a seed of evil.

YOU have to have a state.Thats the way things are else what you propose no government ??

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by Brutha

How do you know that states won't do that when they feel it's their prime responsibility to reduce crimes?
When you try to improve how states work than you should try to understand why they don't do the things that you want them to do.

As i said before we expect by truely educating people the crime would come down.Let us say it does not, then state has got people who are discomforting others (commiting crime). So they need to be educated and value of living a life of non violence need to be inculcated in them.
I know the state performance is measured by reduction in crime and increase in comfort level of society but also first by number of truely educated people which should be added as another primary measure of state performance.

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

First I agree with Brutha, your idea is the very definition of a totalitarian government. .

I dont think it is totalitarian government.I am not advocating that there be just one communist government.I am simply asking for consensus on one point that is the current parties must agree that the whole state machinery should gear to truely educate people.Once that is agreed, how part could be done in various ways and different views could be there, some more effective then other.There is room for oposition therafter and also in how to do the things. .

Second, what is this 'The Ultimate Truth'? The whole of humanity worships so many different Gods and Goddesses, or holds so many different philosophies and moral codes did you not consider that there are perhaps infinite versions of 'The Ultimate Truth' and that searching for it in such a gung ho communistic fashion is only redundant?

You fail to recognize that how people search for Truth in their life is carried on in infinite variations. This isn't something that can be schooled and structured for us. Sure, some people will gladly hop on the bandwagon for this new State sponsored Cosmic Truth Force and I imagine they'd be the same sort of people who fall head over heels for mainstream organized religion but a large group of people will not agree with your idea of truth or how to go about searching for it! Some may even have absolutely no interest in truth and would prefer to live the life of a creative illusionist. Until we can come to an agreement on our own terms as a species, there will be no productive banding together of humanity to search 'the cosmos' for your Ultimate Truth (is that trademarked yet?)?Although, some might say that banding together already happened and we are already merrily on our way to truth, or whatever.
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There is ultimate truth which can bind all these different philosophies and religions.The common factor which we have to find.The common factor is that "LOVE YOURSELF AND ENJOY"That will require us to answers what is love and what is enjoy. For loving yourself you need to know and discover your self and enjoy as a truely educated person, which is comfort yourself and don't discomfort anyone.People have not been offered the ultimate truth in easy to understand plain language.Which is what I am doing giving solution to problems in a plain and simple way without jargon which every being can understand

I personally have little interest in spoon feeding the world. Not everyone pictures Mother Theresa or Gandhi when they consider who they would be like ideally. It may surprise you to know that few people do picture themselves as a compassionate ascetic overflowing with love and generosity when picturing their ideal selves. It may also surprise you to know that Mother Earth is not some wounded, tormented thing that wants only to love and care for her unruly children. Nature wants you dead, plain and simple. And the cosmos, as an extension of that primal chaotic force known as nature, is just as indifferent and uncaring toward your existence. ].

You and people like the ones you said are not compassionate, are like the way they are BECAUSE to them there is no real purpose to life.They dont know why they are here.They find life meaningless.But there is meaning to life when we are shown clearly

I am now going to **** on your definition of an educated person. Brace yourself. You define an educated person as someone who comforts themselves and discomforts no one. Your ideal world is one where everyone lives in their comfortable little space and treats everyone comfortably so no one's egos get bruised and no ones flesh gets ripped every once in a while. A society that is so comfortable that people start to grow weak. Incredibly weak, like little breakable pieces of fine jewelry. Say something outside of mankind, or within mankind, sees all this as an opportunity. A feast. Because the universe is not all good, there will be forces that see this comfortable, padded and nicely organized society much like a favorite canned good neatly lined in rows on a supermarket shelf, each portion nicely and comfortably kept in its little secure container. Your society will breed cattle. Livestock. People educated on how to be comfortable, how to be okay with the fact that their life lacks the sharp and cold sting of reality. People okay with the fact that the absence of pain and suffering has made all happiness dull and ordinary, not something to be grateful for but rather something that is to be expected. In such a society, where no wounds are inflicted, there will be no healing. Only monotonous stagnation. The suffering we go through is necessary. It's a teacher. Hunger is not trying to teach us to feed the world and put a band aid on our deeper issues as conscious beings, it's teaching us to endure and evolve. There will always be suffering for that reason. You can't hide it and why would you want to? Without suffering, we never learn to heal and to be compassionate. The very motivation for your ideal world would quickly vanish in a society with no pain.

I think you are stretching here too much.What is happening today? People who do no crime are they having stagnated life?Dull and boring. The people who do not like to discomfort other do they not live a good excxiting life still.Is it necessary to discomfort other to spice the life.I dont think so?Also first and foremost is educating people,In attempting to truely educate people there may be some discomfort likely to the person who is receving education the person who is giving education is educating not discomforting.Educating is more impoortant in such a case then not discomforting.Discomforting first and foremost in its virulent form is violence and as the society gets rid of that then in next stage it is simply the result of not following rules by some subjects.We would expect people to follow rules if they dont then someone will be discomforted in some way.It is slow process of evolvement and not going to happen overnight.I think if we can get the first objective of getting rid of violence (first level of discomfort) it will be big ask.I only hope you dont say violence is necessary as otherwise life will be boring and dull.If you do I disagree I dont think violence is necessary for spicing our lives.Any way it wont go away in your and mine life time it will take time for society to adjust and that is ok as long as we know where we are going.Because today we are going no where.

The suffering we go through is necessary. It's a teacher. Hunger is not trying to teach us to feed the world and put a band aid on our deeper issues as conscious beings, it's teaching us to endure and evolve. There will always be suffering for that reason. You can't hide it and why would you want to? Without suffering, we never learn to heal and to be compassionate. The very motivation for your ideal world would quickly vanish in a society with no pain

This argument is flawed and horrible.I am sure you are from first world and may be you have not seen what hunger is like in third world. There are skeleton moving with no flesh on the bones Is that your way of teaching them, and that suffering is necessary.What will this suffering teach them when they die of malnutrition and hunger. There is no life left to learn>> from that suffering.
We dont need pain of the type you are suggesting.As I said before even getting rid of violence by educating masses is a distant dream therefore there will be pain in the near future even after my idea of truly educating people is implemented.But it will be a nice for future generations to have a problem of no pain in the society.I hope they will by that time be able to have enough interest in different sports which could keep the society occupied with excitment of win and lose.It is that sort of pain and pleasure which the future society be looking for.May be many more New ideas can come.But definitely we dont need pain and suffering in 21st century to learn compassion.These are things of past and were designed to justify the ills in society when state could not have satisfactorily answer to the problems of people.
I hope that helps.
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[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by kamalkat

I dont think it is totalitarian government.I am not advocating that there be just one communist government.I am simply asking for consensus on one point that is the current parties must agree that the whole state machinery should gear to truely educate people.Once that is agreed, how part could be done in various ways and different views could be there, some more effective then other.There is room for oposition therafter and also in how to do the things. .
There is ultimate truth which can bind all these different philosophies and religions.The common factor which we have to find.The common factor is that "LOVE YOURSELF AND ENJOY"That will require us to answers what is love and what is enjoy. For loving yourself you need to know and discover your self and enjoy as a truely educated person, which is comfort yourself and don't discomfort anyone.People have not been offered the ultimate truth in easy to understand plain language.Which is what I am doing giving solution to problems in a plain and simple way without jargon which every being can understand

You and people like the ones you said are not compassionate, are like the way they are BECAUSE to them there is no real purpose to life.They dont know why they are here.They find life meaningless.But there is meaning to life when we are shown clearly

I think you are stretching here too much.What is happening today? People who do no crime are they having stagnated life?Dull and boring. The people who do not like to discomfort other do they not live a good excxiting life still.Is it necessary to discomfort other to spice the life.I dont think so?Also first and foremost is educating people,In attempting to truely educate people there may be some discomfort likely to the person who is receving education the person who is giving education is educating not discomforting.Educating is more impoortant in such a case then not discomforting.Discomforting first and foremost in its virulent form is violence and as the society gets rid of that then in next stage it is simply the result of not following rules by some subjects.We would expect people to follow rules if they dont then someone will be discomforted in some way.It is slow process of evolvement and not going to happen overnight.I think if we can get the first objective of getting rid of violence (first level of discomfort) it will be big ask.I only hope you dont say violence is necessary as otherwise life will be boring and dull.If you do I disagree I dont think violence is necessary for spicing our lives.Any way it wont go away in your and mine life time it will take time for society to adjust and that is ok as long as we know where we are going.Because today we are going no where.



This argument is flawed and horrible.I am sure you are from first world and may be you have not seen what hunger is like in third world. There are skeleton moving with no flesh on the bones Is that your way of teaching them, and that suffering is necessary.What will this suffering teach them when they die of malnutrition and hunger. There is no life left to learn>> from that suffering.
We dont need pain of the type you are suggesting.As I said before even getting rid of violence by educating masses is a distant dream therefore there will be pain in the near future even after my idea of truly educating people is implemented.But it will be a nice for future generations to have a problem of no pain in the society.I hope they will by that time be able to have enough interest in different sports which could keep the society occupied with excitment of win and lose.It is that sort of pain and pleasure which the future society be looking for.May be many more New ideas can come.But definitely we dont need pain and suffering in 21st century to learn compassion.These are things of past and were designed to justify the ills in society when state could not have satisfactorily answer to the problems of people.
I hope that helps.

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I hope it is fine now

[MariconesUnited]

Personally I think an ideal world involves no state, no financial system, no war, no violence, no political or economic elite, no famine and healthcare and healthcare prevention for all.

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by MariconesUnited

Personally I think an ideal world involves no state, no financial system, no war, no violence, no political or economic elite, no famine and healthcare and healthcare prevention for all.

Yes tend to say yes but unfortunately there are so many of us and we do need rules to prervent chaos.For rules some authority to make and implement.
cheers!

[ar81]

Originally Posted by kamalkat

This argument is flawed and horrible.I am sure you are from first world and may be you have not seen what hunger is like in third world. There are skeleton moving with no flesh on the bones Is that your way of teaching them, and that suffering is necessary.What will this suffering teach them when they die of malnutrition and hunger. There is no life left to learn>> from that suffering.
We dont need pain of the type you are suggesting.As I said before even getting rid of violence by educating masses is a distant dream therefore there will be pain in the near future even after my idea of truly educating people is implemented.But it will be a nice for future generations to have a problem of no pain in the society.I hope they will by that time be able to have enough interest in different sports which could keep the society occupied with excitment of win and lose.It is that sort of pain and pleasure which the future society be looking for.May be many more New ideas can come.But definitely we dont need pain and suffering in 21st century to learn compassion.These are things of past and were designed to justify the ills in society when state could not have satisfactorily answer to the problems of people.
I hope that helps

Suffering of others is not a lesson for the one who suffers, but a lesson and test of compassion for the rest who see the one who suffers.

The world is not so different than roman empire nowadays, and in a way it is worst. There is more slavery than ever in human history, covered as human trafficking. There are concentration camps nowadays that the romans did not have. Intel govt agencies use forms of torture that were used by barbarians. Human rights were never enforced.

The only difference is the flago of morality of those who behave like romans but pretend to be saints.

Originally Posted by MariconesUnited

Personally I think an ideal world involves no state, no financial system, no war, no violence, no political or economic elite, no famine and healthcare and healthcare prevention for all.

No state? Like Somalia?

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by ar81

Suffering of others is not a lesson for the one who suffers, but a lesson and test of compassion for the rest who see the one who suffers.

If you are compassionate is that enough.YOU need to have some action to show your compassion.But what you are saying is not what the originaly kaledieo.... said.

The world is not so different than roman empire nowadays, and in a way it is worst. There is more slavery than ever in human history, covered as human trafficking. There are concentration camps nowadays that the romans did not have. Intel govt agencies use forms of torture that were used by barbarians. Human rights were never enforced.

The only difference is the flago of morality of those who behave like romans but pretend to be saints.


No state? Like Somalia?

[russianrocket]

your world is as make believe as any fairly tale story.

You can get rid of every law, but criminals will still be criminals.
You can feed every person, but people will still need to work in order to feed those people.
You can cloth every person, but people will still need to work in order to make those clothes.

I can go on and on, but even if you managed to do all those things.

There will ALWAYS be people who do things that we consider bad. There will always be people we consider evil. There will always be people who will try to use other people for what ever reasons. You can get rid of money, but that will not stop anything, as people will use things for money, the way they did before money.

People will the will to be better then others, will always become better then others. People will always want more then the next person.

Unless you plan to mind control everyone on the planet, then you can dream all you want, but just like coummunism, it will never exist.

Oh and good luck trying to get rid of religion.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by MariconesUnited

Personally I think an ideal world involves no state, no financial system, no war, no violence, no political or economic elite, no famine and healthcare and healthcare prevention for all.

Who do you think will do all the work, get all the training, and for what reasons? Who do you think builds societies exactly?

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Who do you think will do all the work, get all the training, and for what reasons? Who do you think builds societies exactly?

Offcourse people. It is not training in the usual; sense of the word the whole system is geared to that.
It will be done by the politicians of the day they once agree on policy of truely educating people will frame policioes in the sysytem to achieve the goal of truely educating people.
The current way of educating will be changed to the one where it wioll be all embracing education module where in curriculm it will be taught at least in first 10 years of education how one can be be comfortable and not discomfort other as the key to living and enriched and fulfilled life.
Criminal will be rehabilated in some very large area where all facilities will be available and they will get the environment similar to the outside world and they will stay there untill such time they can be integrated in the society at large.
These are some broad ideas but once it is understood that all ills can be tackeled by truly educating people then inputs from all can be taken to make the policy and how part of the program.
Thanks.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by kamalkat

Offcourse people. It is not training in the usual; sense of the word the whole system is geared to that.
It will be done by the politicians of the day they once agree on policy of truely educating people will frame policioes in the sysytem to achieve the goal of truely educating people.
The current way of educating will be changed to the one where it wioll be all embracing education module where in curriculm it will be taught at least in first 10 years of education how one can be be comfortable and not discomfort other as the key to living and enriched and fulfilled life.
Criminal will be rehabilated in some very large area where all facilities will be available and they will get the environment similar to the outside world and they will stay there untill such time they can be integrated in the society at large.
These are some broad ideas but once it is understood that all ills can be tackeled by truly educating people then inputs from all can be taken to make the policy and how part of the program.
Thanks.

The fact that you are depending on politicians to achieve your Utopian society is the true sign that your ideas are destined to fail. That might sound offensive, but that is my honest opinion.

[MariconesUnited]

Originally Posted by ar81

No state? Like Somalia?

Hehe. You probably missed the part about no war and no violence

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

The fact that you are depending on politicians to achieve your Utopian society is the true sign that your ideas are destined to fail. That might sound offensive, but that is my honest opinion.

Some body has to take charge of legislating rules(I prefer rules to laws as laws would be not required at some future date.Now yes) and some authority has to make sure the rules are obeyed else penalties charged.
Such people have earned a bad name and are called politicians and government executives.
You can not do witholut them as whosoever will be in charge will be a politician.
Thanks anyway.

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by MariconesUnited

Hehe. You probably missed the part about no war and no violence

That is exactly what we are aiming at no war no violence as the whole earth will be just one cosmic state with provinces like china USA, Russia and so on.
Earth is too tiny to even deserve a status of state in the whole cosmic sceanario. But we humans can have it a status of one Cosmic State for earth.

[Vibration]

It seems every couple of generations people forget the hard lessons of the past and tries to create a perfect government that eliminates all that we don't like in the world, to make our lives as perfect as possible. Everyone that has tried this has woke up one morning to millions and millions of dead people who just wouldn't listen to the education, cooporate with the machine's plan, or for whatever reason found themselves on the wrong side of it.

Have you ever gone through a period of your life where you struggled to understand yourself, your individuality, and suffered a period of mental/emotional instability, and possibly rebeled against education and being forced into the status quo?

You would be the enemy of this government, and when it has had enough of your problems, it will send you to one final classroom: a gas chamber.

Such a government always, always, always has this conclusion, and it ends either with its own citizens tearing it down, or the rest of the world, sick of the death, tearing it down, only to have its great grand children start it back up again.

When humans, who are a very imperfect species, tries to create a perfect world, they find their own selves being thrown out of it.

[russianrocket]

Originally Posted by kamalkat

Some body has to take charge of legislating rules(I prefer rules to laws as laws would be not required at some future date.Now yes) and some authority has to make sure the rules are obeyed else penalties charged.
Such people have earned a bad name and are called politicians and government executives.
You can not do witholut them as whosoever will be in charge will be a politician.
Thanks anyway.

Difference is, almost all the rules that our politicians have made have not helped anyone out, or started to help out until the next person ruined it, yet you expect those same politicians to some how start makes rules that will create world peace. NOT GONNA HAPPEN


EVER

Thanks anyway

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

Difference is, almost all the rules that our politicians have made have not helped anyone out, or started to help out until the next person ruined it, yet you expect those same politicians to some how start makes rules that will create world peace. NOT GONNA HAPPEN


EVER

Thanks anyway

I know and understand your disenchantment with politicians.There will be politicians who agree that the purpose of state machinery is to truely educate people.
They will have the job at hand of only finalising policy of how to truely educate people and they will do it.
Just another thing many of the politicians are not as bad as public perceives them they work hard and long hours for public good and in the end get all abuse but they keep working because they believe in serving people and that is what satisfies them.
I hope you see a positive outlook for politicians as well. Any way all the best......
Cheers.

[kamalkat]

Originally Posted by Vibration

It seems every couple of generations people forget the hard lessons of the past and tries to create a perfect government that eliminates all that we don't like in the world, to make our lives as perfect as possible. Everyone that has tried this has woke up one morning to millions and millions of dead people who just wouldn't listen to the education, cooporate with the machine's plan, or for whatever reason found themselves on the wrong side of it.

Have you ever gone through a period of your life where you struggled to understand yourself, your individuality, and suffered a period of mental/emotional instability, and possibly rebeled against education and being forced into the status quo?

You would be the enemy of this government, and when it has had enough of your problems, it will send you to one final classroom: a gas chamber.

Such a government always, always, always has this conclusion, and it ends either with its own citizens tearing it down, or the rest of the world, sick of the death, tearing it down, only to have its great grand children start it back up again.

When humans, who are a very imperfect species, tries to create a perfect world, they find their own selves being thrown out of it.

Hi,
In fact I have suffered mental agony and I had reduced myself mentaly to the level of animal to understand the world around us .As animal with no knowledge or capability to have knowledge.I had to get rid of all knowledge and perceive knowledge as the greatest enemy to understand truth.I solely relied on nature to establish my core beliefs as any thing else was injection of knowledge which could not be relied on.
Having reached that level I had to filter and experience truths as given in many books.I believe nothing is true unless and untill you have experienced it.We are gifted with this perfect body and mind (I think only mindas body is part of mind) to help us understand and discover Truth.I got immense help from some books to understand myself. One was the "The Road less travelled" by Scott peck another another one was "I am ok you are OK" by Thomas harris and third one was "Ageless body timeless mind" by Deepoak chopra in addition I used my own version of Transendental Meditation which is different one which is taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.I have discovered few fundamental truths (1) You only communicate to yourself.Rest all is energy exchange and impact (2)All problems are making of mind.

I have travelled my journey of life with many problems in life and finally I have settled in my beliefs and I truely believe that the problems of the world can be solved to a great extent if the so called leaders or politicians want it.They have to come to some common understanding and atleast start fixing problem of extreme nature like hunger and inhuman conditions in 3rd world.
I know there are are many self serving selfish greedy politicians, but at the same time there are more politicians who truely want good of people and they are doing there best.
I know I am aiming for a perfect solution but I will admit here I believe that if we aim for perfect we may not get perfect but it will be better than what we have now and MOST IMPORTANTLY we will know where we are heading.It is shame that the world leaders are only doing lip serevice to 3rd world problems because they feel constrained by the requirements of people within their borders of power and influence.They have not yet started perceiving the world as one.World is so tiny in this cosmos that it is a real shame that we humans have not solved our earthly problems yet when in reality human need to shift the focus to cosmos once we have solved earthly problems.

[Vibration]

Originally Posted by kamalkat

Hi,
In fact I have suffered mental agony and I had reduced myself mentaly to the level of animal to understand the world around us .As animal with no knowledge or capability to have knowledge.I had to get rid of all knowledge and perceive knowledge as the greatest enemy to understand truth.I solely relied on nature to establish my core beliefs as any thing else was injection of knowledge which could not be relied on.
Having reached that level I had to filter and experience truths as given in many books.I believe nothing is true unless and untill you have experienced it.We are gifted with this perfect body and mind (I think only mindas body is part of mind) to help us understand and discover Truth.I got immense help from some books to understand myself. One was the "The Road less travelled" by Scott peck another another one was "I am ok you are OK" by Thomas harris and third one was "Ageless body timeless mind" by Deepoak chopra in addition I used my own version of Transendental Meditation which is different one which is taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.I have discovered few fundamental truths (1) You only communicate to yourself.Rest all is energy exchange and impact (2)All problems are making of mind.

I have travelled my journey of life with many problems in life and finally I have settled in my beliefs and I truely believe that the problems of the world can be solved to a great extent if the so called leaders or politicians want it.They have to come to some common understanding and atleast start fixing problem of extreme nature like hunger and inhuman conditions in 3rd world.
I know there are are many self serving selfish greedy politicians, but at the same time there are more politicians who truely want good of people and they are doing there best.
I know I am aiming for a perfect solution but I will admit here I believe that if we aim for perfect we may not get perfect but it will be better than what we have now and MOST IMPORTANTLY we will know where we are heading.It is shame that the world leaders are only doing lip serevice to 3rd world problems because they feel constrained by the requirements of people within their borders of power and influence.They have not yet started perceiving the world as one.World is so tiny in this cosmos that it is a real shame that we humans have not solved our earthly problems yet when in reality human need to shift the focus to cosmos once we have solved earthly problems.

People far smarter than you or I have been trying to find a perfect government for a long time, and have yet to succeed. Neither you nor I will solve it in one sitting.

In many cases, wealthy leaders of nations are guilty of causing their own people to suffer while they pour the money into military equipment and lavish lifestyles, to satisfy their need for power and greed. They don't want to help their people; they want only to help themselves at the expense of their people. They see life as a chess game, and treat their citizens as expendible chess pieces.

Kim Jong-il is a perfect example. How do you convince world leaders to care about their citizens and give some of their wealth toward easing their suffering? If they wanted to do this, they would have already.

Politians and world leaders know how to help the poor and suffering in the world; they just don't want to. It is not a matter of education. Helping such people is not in their best interest. Only when the government belongs to the people, can the people force their government to care about them. And even then, it's far from perfect.

For those nations that can help the people of poorer nations, is it right for them to ignore an irresponsible government and rescue its citizens? Isn't this a government takeover? This would eventually spark war and cause even more suffering of the poor.

If you or I could rule nations, we would be kind to our people and help to ease suffering in as much of the world as we could, but not all rulers are like us.

However, I do admire your desire to make the world better and ease the suffering of humanity; this is a noble goal.

Though we can't help everyone, we can help someone. We should always strive to care, to help another in need when we can.