War or no war?

[Aleksander Krstic]

Do you think wars are the necessary evil of the world i.e. decreasing world's population?

Should we stop wars in other countries?

Originally Posted by Byron

Why does the developed world impose their ideals on other countries?

Should we stop wars in other countries?

Doesn't war have a kind of natural function, and in fair wars or over ideals, the fittest survives?

If it is a 'phase' that humanity needs to go through, then it will probably end naturally on its own. The third world and developing countries are still in that phase.


What if some other stronger power came in when America was fighting its Revolutionary War, and Civil War, and broke up the fight? There would be denied a lot of progress and survival of the fittest ideals.


So, what do you think? Does the Western world now have the right to break up fights in other countries, just because it has reached a state of relative peace, and wants everybody else to act the same?

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[Aleksander Krstic]

Food for thought.
Should we stop wars in other countries?

[Barcs]

Wars might be neccesary for the success of capitalism and population control, but certainly not in any realistic sense. I feel that war should be the absolute last resort in any situation. Unfortunately the people up high in the system do not think so.

[rei]

maybe it is not so great to energize a system which might require war for its success.

i think some folks will view war as a 'necessary evil,' but if we shift to a different perspective we see it is just about fighting ourselves and projecting outward the internal struggle.

[Misscpb]

In my opinion wars never work, yet over over in history people have been having wars/fighting. Peace, love and sharing are much better ways, there's enough for everyone on this planet.

[bluedragon]

Wars are a natural extension of the conflicted nature of our minds. You cannot be free of violence, you cannot be like a Buddha, until this mind is liberated. Until then, of course there will be violence. Reason and logic cannot put an end to this, because the mind is very much responsible for the problem itself. When there is greed, arrogance, when people are constantly fueling their cravings and dependencies, how could they ever satisfy their hunger for comfort, security and power without at the same time, having to hurt someone else and take something by force?

[Double]

Wars are a natural extension of the state. The people who have come up with the idea of centralising power, giving some people a monopoly on violence, and those who consciously support it are responsible for most wars.
War is violence, given human nature it only happens if there is a reason to. If there is no other way out - Self-defence - or if any other option is less attractive - For profit.
Wars can only be profitable if you can externalize the costs. To taxpayers for example.

But which category do you think most, if not all wars really belong to? Self-defence or For Profit?

PS. I didnt vote in the poll

[Gene]

I voted that war is bad. War is always a terrible event. I also stipulate some wars are unavoidable and even though war is bad the alternative can be worse.

I have actively opposed the war in Iraq since before the military fired the first shot in that theater of war. The decision to engage forces in Afghanistan was more defensible. Still war is terrible and these wars are terrible.

[cacheborn]

I agree with Gene.
Good to see all the votes in favor of peace.

[ahazaq2]

When I say 'ideals' in this post, I mean the side with the better "ethical standing" I guess.


Wars for decreasing the population of the earth is kind of an odd idea. Placing limits on how many children can be had by people would work, but this is complicated a bit. In the west, if you have 2 kids within a year of each other, chances are pretty good they'll both live. In undeveloped countries people have lots of kids because lots of kids die during infancy. so they have to ensure at least some make it to adulthood.

Doesn't war have a kind of natural function, and in fair wars or over ideals, the fittest survives?

Do you think the best ideals always win in a war? Usually?

What if some other stronger power came in when America was fighting its Revolutionary War, and Civil War, and broke up the fight? There would be denied a lot of progress and survival of the fittest ideals.

Again, I don't think the Revolutionary war was over ideals. It was over greedy colonists. Civil War yes. We were bad in the Mexican war. WWI wasn't really ethical based, but WWII definitely was. I don't know too much about Korea and Vietnam.

But I also think it's important to note that the ideals are pretty much never the reason wars are started. I think they're usually just tacked on to help moral.

So, what do you think? Does the Western world now have the right to break up fights in other countries, just because it has reached a state of relative peace, and wants everybody else to act the same?

Sure it has the right to do so, but it should have a good idea of what's going to happen afterwards.

[Double]

If the war in Afghanistan is self-defence then it is a very bad case. Do you know what happens if you try and give pay-back to an opposing mafia? This mafia will come and kill your family at some point then. It goes on and on if - one side dont come to their senses - untill an entire bloodline has been wiped out.

So what has this got to do with afghanistan? There is strong evidence that the american government actually gave first strike on the lands of afghanistan and the like. The american government has had very sinister operations over there since 1940's.
Its this tampering the people didnt like, and its what made some people kill themselves and take many others with them, on september 11th. That was their payback.
Most people in the united states dont know this, they got all frenzied up, believing they were being attacked for being peacefull. As crazy as that sounds....

Now the americans, and a majority of the western world really, are involved in ust another pay-back op so to speak. Conditions are getting worse for the inhabitants over there, the conflict is spilling into Pakistan, creating so much more misery, and sowing the seeds for another payback operation against the americans, or possibly any foreigners involved in the invasion.

Like i said, as has been demonstrated by history, the pay-back ops are going to continue until an entire bloodline has been wiped out. Or one side has come to their senses. Which option are are you rooting for?
Wars are seldom neccesary, only in self-defence. And the Afghanistan has nothing to do with self-defence. It is just another for-profit war, where the general taxpayer - and certainly the people of Afghanistan and sorrounding areas - is the victim.


That war is not supported.

[MikeyJaii]

War is not good. No reason to argue with, it kills people and destroys everything.

[Captain Drywall]

Every single day i feel guilt that i didnt take a few days off work to protest going to war in Iraq. My bumper sticker says " if you think war is the answer, think harder"

[Jaiysun4]

Lol its a funny question. I think every person knows that War is inherently bad. How could it not be?!

But perhaps it may be a necessary evil, or justified in certain cases, or a small war may be justified to prevent a larger loss of life if no action is taken at all.
The problems are in interpretation, in patriotism and other types of irrationality clouding one's judgement etc. So its fair to say, we should agree that war should be minimised as much as possible. Which America should learn! Sorry couldn't resist . But its also fair to say, its been part of our history since the beginnning of time, we had to hunt and kill to survive, and wars have been what has shaped our entire world. As we evolve perhaps in time we can end our competition with each other, but at the end of the day, we all have evil inside us and some say this manifests on the global level.

I disagree, citizens are not stupid, we just dont realise the disgusting nature of our rulers, and how they perpetrate death for so many selfish reasons. The only way to end war, is direct democracy whereby there is free media, intelligent and logical citizens, and 1 vote each as to whether to go to war or not.
Why not! We could all go on the internet.