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|View Poll Results: War or no war?|
|War is good.||1||4.55%|
|War is bad.||21||95.45%|
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|12-21-2009, 08:07 AM||#1 (permalink)|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Slovenia, south central Europe
War or no war?
Do you think wars are the necessary evil of the world i.e. decreasing world's population?
Should we stop wars in other countries?
Or do you think Love is the way?
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Last edited by Aleksander Krstic; 12-21-2009 at 08:19 AM.
|12-21-2009, 05:19 PM||#3 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Byram, NJ
Wars might be neccesary for the success of capitalism and population control, but certainly not in any realistic sense. I feel that war should be the absolute last resort in any situation. Unfortunately the people up high in the system do not think so.
|12-21-2009, 05:33 PM||#4 (permalink)|
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: earth, everywhere and nowhere
maybe it is not so great to energize a system which might require war for its success.
i think some folks will view war as a 'necessary evil,' but if we shift to a different perspective we see it is just about fighting ourselves and projecting outward the internal struggle.
|12-21-2009, 06:07 PM||#6 (permalink)|
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Bucharest, Romania
Wars are a natural extension of the conflicted nature of our minds. You cannot be free of violence, you cannot be like a Buddha, until this mind is liberated. Until then, of course there will be violence. Reason and logic cannot put an end to this, because the mind is very much responsible for the problem itself. When there is greed, arrogance, when people are constantly fueling their cravings and dependencies, how could they ever satisfy their hunger for comfort, security and power without at the same time, having to hurt someone else and take something by force?
|12-22-2009, 05:01 AM||#7 (permalink)|
Join Date: Oct 2009
Wars are a natural extension of the state. The people who have come up with the idea of centralising power, giving some people a monopoly on violence, and those who consciously support it are responsible for most wars.
War is violence, given human nature it only happens if there is a reason to. If there is no other way out - Self-defence - or if any other option is less attractive - For profit.
Wars can only be profitable if you can externalize the costs. To taxpayers for example.
But which category do you think most, if not all wars really belong to? Self-defence or For Profit?
PS. I didnt vote in the poll
Last edited by Double; 12-22-2009 at 08:59 AM.
|12-23-2009, 03:01 AM||#8 (permalink)|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Oblong, Illinois
I voted that war is bad. War is always a terrible event. I also stipulate some wars are unavoidable and even though war is bad the alternative can be worse.
I have actively opposed the war in Iraq since before the military fired the first shot in that theater of war. The decision to engage forces in Afghanistan was more defensible. Still war is terrible and these wars are terrible.
|12-23-2009, 06:19 AM||#10 (permalink)|
Join Date: Nov 2009
When I say 'ideals' in this post, I mean the side with the better "ethical standing" I guess.
Wars for decreasing the population of the earth is kind of an odd idea. Placing limits on how many children can be had by people would work, but this is complicated a bit. In the west, if you have 2 kids within a year of each other, chances are pretty good they'll both live. In undeveloped countries people have lots of kids because lots of kids die during infancy. so they have to ensure at least some make it to adulthood.
But I also think it's important to note that the ideals are pretty much never the reason wars are started. I think they're usually just tacked on to help moral.
Last edited by ahazaq2; 12-23-2009 at 06:24 AM.
|12-23-2009, 05:20 PM||#11 (permalink)|
Join Date: Oct 2009
If the war in Afghanistan is self-defence then it is a very bad case. Do you know what happens if you try and give pay-back to an opposing mafia? This mafia will come and kill your family at some point then. It goes on and on if - one side dont come to their senses - untill an entire bloodline has been wiped out.
So what has this got to do with afghanistan? There is strong evidence that the american government actually gave first strike on the lands of afghanistan and the like. The american government has had very sinister operations over there since 1940's.
Its this tampering the people didnt like, and its what made some people kill themselves and take many others with them, on september 11th. That was their payback.
Most people in the united states dont know this, they got all frenzied up, believing they were being attacked for being peacefull. As crazy as that sounds....
Now the americans, and a majority of the western world really, are involved in ust another pay-back op so to speak. Conditions are getting worse for the inhabitants over there, the conflict is spilling into Pakistan, creating so much more misery, and sowing the seeds for another payback operation against the americans, or possibly any foreigners involved in the invasion.
Like i said, as has been demonstrated by history, the pay-back ops are going to continue until an entire bloodline has been wiped out. Or one side has come to their senses. Which option are are you rooting for?
Wars are seldom neccesary, only in self-defence. And the Afghanistan has nothing to do with self-defence. It is just another for-profit war, where the general taxpayer - and certainly the people of Afghanistan and sorrounding areas - is the victim.
That war is not supported.
Last edited by Double; 12-23-2009 at 05:23 PM.
|12-31-2009, 06:29 AM||#13 (permalink)|
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: n. California, in fact the state capital
Every single day i feel guilt that i didnt take a few days off work to protest going to war in Iraq. My bumper sticker says " if you think war is the answer, think harder"
|12-31-2009, 11:13 AM||#14 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Lol its a funny question. I think every person knows that War is inherently bad. How could it not be?!
But perhaps it may be a necessary evil, or justified in certain cases, or a small war may be justified to prevent a larger loss of life if no action is taken at all.
The problems are in interpretation, in patriotism and other types of irrationality clouding one's judgement etc. So its fair to say, we should agree that war should be minimised as much as possible. Which America should learn! Sorry couldn't resist . But its also fair to say, its been part of our history since the beginnning of time, we had to hunt and kill to survive, and wars have been what has shaped our entire world. As we evolve perhaps in time we can end our competition with each other, but at the end of the day, we all have evil inside us and some say this manifests on the global level.
I disagree, citizens are not stupid, we just dont realise the disgusting nature of our rulers, and how they perpetrate death for so many selfish reasons. The only way to end war, is direct democracy whereby there is free media, intelligent and logical citizens, and 1 vote each as to whether to go to war or not.
Why not! We could all go on the internet.
Last edited by Jaiysun4; 12-31-2009 at 11:17 AM.
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