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10-24-2009, 02:52 PM
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Moderators, can you do something about all the conspiracy theory threads? They are getting quite boring. Again and again someone feels the need to come up with a post claiming Obama is not american, or that the dollar is about to be replaced in a giant conspiracy or that 9/11 was faked or something. There is a vast amount of evidence to refute all these claims. I really think this forum would be vastly improved if threads such as these are just deleted in future. |
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10-24-2009, 03:35 PM
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I wouldn't mind if those topics would disappear. But another option is to create a 'conspiracy theories' subforum. The people who want to read it and post on it can do so, and feel paranoid and persecuted there, while we contact the FBI, CIA etc to keep an eye on them.  |
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10-24-2009, 04:29 PM
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10-24-2009, 04:44 PM
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If there is a particular post which you feel violates the rulse of the forum, please use the "Report Post" button in order to alert us mods to a thread in need of attention. However, a complaint reporting a thread as simply "boring" will most likely be thrown out since being boring is not against forum rules. I've said it before and I will say it again: If there is something you would rather not read, change your focus. You carry all the power and responsibility in that area. |
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10-25-2009, 01:41 PM
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What one person considers a conspiracy theory, another person might consider an attempt to inform others of what they see as a grave danger. The only people who consider a message a conspiracy theory are those who do not agree with the message. Some people think that the H1N1 vaccine is dangerous. Other people think that it is perfectly safe, and feel that people who think it is dangers are conspiracy theorist. Other people are somewhere in the middle. There are dozens of other similar topics.
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10-25-2009, 01:43 PM
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The problem with a lot of conspiracy narratives is that they are focused on symbols. If you believe that Obama is a puppet anyway, it doesn't matter much whether he's a natural born America. For some reason the story of Obama as not native US citizen is more important for some people than the attempt of his administration to get a preventive detention law passed. I remember a talk by one of the people who founded wikileaks in which he said that it would be much better if people would go after claims that matter and where there's clear evidence instead of obsessing about giant conspiracies theories that aren't actionable anyway. That said we don't censor anyone here because that person has a view that different from ours or from the mainstream truth. If you don't like a particular debate, don't read the particular thread. |
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10-25-2009, 02:01 PM
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Well, some people jump out of perfectly good airplanes, others have sex with a dozen casual partners, some spend a half hour a day meditating, others exercise every day of the week............yet others create (or believe the created) conspiracy theories. All these are ways people do to try to make themselves feel alive. Let people take their chosen poison peacefully.......  |
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10-26-2009, 03:09 AM
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The "conspiracy theory" subforum would give readers the idea that the ones posting there are paranoid idiots. And if someone posted about Obama birth place it is because this person may feel compelled to believe it. So a thread is useful to refute. As for US dollar fall, it is no big secret. Do you remember when US complained bout Yuan being artificially devaluated? It was that US dollar was overpriced. It is so overpriced, that an American costs the wage of 15 chinese. If you are offered a book for $10 and then the same book for $150, which one would you buy? Yes, companies think like you. No wonder why jobs are going overseas. If all jobs go overseas, the only jobs that Americans would find will be government jobs. And with no public option, being entrepreneur would be most costly and tougher than being govt employee. |
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10-26-2009, 05:56 AM
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| Why does anyone want to waste time in their life discussing conspiracy theories? The entire ideas is awful.. (or at least not for me) why?? cause it is a form of victimization.. it says "hey, I don't have the power to change the world all these people out THERE have the power to change it for me" LOA is supposed to be the opposite idea.. it's supposed to say "all the power is within myself" I mean if you could move past that point.. then what's to discuss just how crazy they are?? I honestly just don't get it  |
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10-26-2009, 10:30 AM
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I don't think you really understand the motivations for people who get into conspiacy theories themaster. Your statement that these people are 'letting' someone else have power over their world is untrue. Conspiracy theorists don't just sit around talking about conspiracies...the ones who really believe in these things are actively trying to take their power back so as not to give power to the forces they believe are controlling us all, and doing what they can to change the world, by changing THEIR world from the inside out and relinquishing false beliefs that are designed to keep us all under control...not living in fear as you suggest and being powerless victims, quite the contrary. Granted, people can drive themseleve nuts with these theories, and at the end of the day they need to remember that they are all just theories...and that concentrating on your own life and doing what you can to take back your own power, in whatever way works for you, is probably alot more helpful than sitting around smoking pot and getting paranoid...but then, a little paranoia can be good to keep you on the ball and alert, rather than just going along in apathy as most people do, til the next world trade centre disaster shakes everyone out of their complacency for a while...til they start sleepwalking again. |
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10-26-2009, 10:35 AM
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Because conspiracy theories are all about lack.. ohh the banks control everything and that obama is run by the secret jew organization.. it's all a blame game.. Quote:
In one you're saying there taking their power back by talking about? Well, when you plug it to LOA of attraction that ain't going to happen.. by thinking about it they strengthen it.. But then you acknowledge it is all about internal ideas.. it's all about releasing things.. so is what you're saying that? As people talk about conspiracy theories.. they lessen the impact on their lives.. they go like this.. from negative to positive Banks are taking over the world through the hygienic control of all the worlds wealth and weakening the dollar Negative - They control me - They control you.. there affecting you.. you've got to get involved, right your congressman, make a web page.. change the world Neutral - You know maybe I don't need to bother maybe they'll all go to hell.. I should spend my days doing better things Positive - Let them damn banks do what they want.. I'm going to take my kids to the park Quote:
You know there's a lot of people in the world that are pissed about other people not doing things.. things like not voting.. in the 2008 election I heard a geek say he was pissed that only 100 million americans went out to vote or whatever (could have been 50 million) he was pissed that 150 million americans didn't vote.. and these ideas are judgment based.. they say that "I have no power" and the only power is in the hands of politicians and because these 150 million didn't vote.. I still don't have power  What I'm saying here is.. you said "world trade centre disaster" and you were saying that it takes a incident like that to get people up and exert there fake power of the electoral process.. (at least that's what it reads like) here's the idea I'm trying to get too.. those people that didn't vote in the last election our the true "heroes".. why??? Cause there saying they have the power, there not interested in other peoples games.. they're interested in their own lives and what's going on with them.. and that's a great thing.. So the idea is if another 9/11 happens or a world trade center bombing.. or starving kids in Ethiopia doesn't matter.. I hope every person that knows there TRUE power.. does absolutely NOTHING.. they keep living their own lives for them.. that is the TRUE power to change the world.. ignoring the illusion and sticking to what makes you happy (hard for some to hear.. but the truth of this is buried deep down inside each of us)If you want to exert your influence on the world here is what I suggest.. - Don't form a committee - Don't talk about how we have to do something - Don't spend time trying to get rid of AIDS, World Banks that control everything and government plots to hide aliens.. Sit your ass down on your couch.. and spin your finger, send out in thought LOA manifestation what you want to see.. don't get surprised if you see more of the same old.. but just send out what you want.. and you will get it.. simple as that.. As I said before if every conspiracy theorist would stop what they're doing.. stop repeating patterns of negative/victimization and do that.. they would have nothing to complain about.. because just as we talked about before.. the power to change the world is not in politicians, governments, or even talking (though it helps) it's right at each of our brains/interfaces for our physical reality.. I will acknowledge as I said above that talking can be therapeutic.. but if you spend 99% of your time talking about it 1% of your time actualizing.. well in LOA terms your screwed cause that 99% talk was far more attractive then that 1% healing/letting go Last edited by themaster; 10-26-2009 at 12:44 PM. | |||
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10-26-2009, 01:14 PM
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There is a difference between "conspiracy theory" and "things I do not like to hear about". Dollar collapse is not a conspiracy theory. It has been there, pending, for a long time, forming a big bubble that is causing US jobs to go overseas. This bubble protects bond owners at expense of US workers. The design of US system is inflationary. The bubble is causing it to be deflationary, and when it pops, a hyperinflation is feared. It is bad news, but problems do not disappear when you do not talk about them. |
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10-26-2009, 01:20 PM
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 From the economic glum, glum new age news I hear.. a lot of nasty things are going to happen.. still I believe I choose and create my reality.. so if I allow that so be it.. all I'm interested in is my bestest good And I'm sure cause I believe that.. I will be given guidance to avoid these problems should they manifest in my reality.. others however may not be so lucky | |
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10-26-2009, 01:27 PM
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Well, we obviously don't interpret things the same way themaster. And I don't feel like you really read what I wrote all that carefully, or you would have noticed that I said that people who want to take their power back from these forces are not just talking about it, unless they're the type who just sit around smoking pot all day and put all their attention on these things...I agree with you there...that isn't wise, which is why I stated that it's better to ignore all of it and concentrate on living your life as best you can, which does have a ripple effect in society and affects things, though to you, it sounds like these people are just being selfish and not doing more to stop world hunger or whatever!...they are ACTIVELY doing whatever they have to to change their world from the inside out, which then affects THE WORLD in a positive way. Read the words...there is nothing I wrote in that quote that indicates what you said that I said, so I'm not sure where you got that from? I also think if you read carefully your own words, you may just find a certain amount of judgement there also... I also think we see things differently when you say that conspiracy theorists are only seeing lack and blame. I don't really interpret it that way. I see it as people who have a sense that we are being lied to and instead of just accepting it and going along with the lie...via the voting system, they choose to protest the lies and not vote for the liars, and EXPOSE the lies instead...where is the lack there? Wouldn't you WANT to know if your government was lying to you? If EVERYTHING you have grown up to believe is true is really all fabricated? Some would...but MOST would prefer to live under the illusion that their government is taking care of them, because it's a little too scary to contemplate the possibility that they really don't care about the people at all...especially when America holds such a strong patriotic cultural mindset. I agree to an extent that some of the theories can seem like they are just going along with the blame game (which people who vote play just as much, infact, it's a pretty human thing to do...complaining and looking to blame.) So we could all do with avoiding such bad habits I think. The difference is, I think, that the CT's will search for the truth of it instead of complaining about what they have accepted is true, but is probably a lie! Isn't the pursuit of truth in a world based around lies a worthy pursuit? To CT's it is...to those who think they are idiots it is a waste of time. CT's don't see it as 'fun' to be discovering lie upon lie upon lie...it's more of a passion for the truth that it builds in them, which, as someone earlier stated "makes them feel alive" Yes, it does. To search for truth makes a person feel like they are really alive and not content to settle for being controlled...it's a path of freedom which most people aren't interested in taking since they are happy to let someone else control them! What's wrong with not wanting that? I also think with this whole LOA thing, people who are sold on that belief system tend to categorize everything they read and hear as either " negative" " neutral" or "positive" and then decide that anything that they see as being too non-conformist, must therefore be "negative" I personally don't like using the term negative since it has a "bad" conottation attached to it. I prefer to say a thing is "harmful" or not. Exposing lies is only harmful to the extent that the people who learn the truth can integrate it into their mind and learn to live in a radically different way to most others. If they can't handle it, if their mind isn't strong enough, then it will be harmful to them as they will find themselves scaling a wall that they can not quite jjump one way or the other...so obviously not everyone could be a CT! Last edited by blossom; 10-26-2009 at 01:33 PM. |
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10-26-2009, 01:28 PM
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Ohh.. absolutely there's a few judgment statements in my last post.. but I really don't mean them nor do I care.. Wouldn't you WANT to know if your government was lying to you? I believe I've already stated this.. but to be clear.. no I don't, I honestly don't care what they do.. If EVERYTHING you have grown up to believe is true is really all fabricated? I already knew that TRUTH.. I don't need to prove it.. nor actualize it.. nor share it in a preachy manner Quote:
What is there to take care of? People obviously know how to behave in society.. the government is just a illusion of structure.. in that structure there is a fundamental societal belief.. that says "we are so primitive that without this structure we could not get along nor take care of ourselves, nor feed or cloth ourselves" well I for one just don't have this belief.. if tomorrow city hall and the white house were gone.. I would not behave in the above way.. I would not freak out if we had no armed forces to protect us from evil doers!! And why are we talking about other people.. when we should be talking about ourselves? Do you believe blossom that if the government collapsed you would be taken care of? Or do you believe the others who put their trust in the government would then seek you out? Isn't the pursuit of truth in a world based around lies a worthy pursuit? No it isn't.. it's just playing into the game.. what if the world is a illusion and thus the truth to that is a illusion too.. what if the ultimate truth is.. it's all a illusion?  That is what LOA's supposed to teach I guess some haven't gotten there yet.. And beyond that.. what if those lies are truths and what if those evils are truths and what if those illusions are all truths? What if invalidating anything is invalidating ourselves because we are the truths and we are the lies? (and yah that's a lot of questions.. but ohh well )Quote:
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What if they too are in engaged in a self empowering discovery? What if there is no right way to take back ones power? And simply following a path of LOA, following a path of religion, ignoring the world are also right ways to take control of the world internally?? My point is stop judging society as being "controlled".. you can't speak for them.. you don't know them.. there are 6.8 billion perspectives on the planet and speaking for one or all cannot be done even if we do it generally sometimes.. If it were me.. I would let them do their thing and I would do my thing Quote:
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10-26-2009, 02:33 PM
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you see it's that negative feeling that says you have a belief/definition not in alignment with your intention.. What are you really saying here that rain dances, never create rain? That money can't fall from the sky? That gumballs can't fall from the sky.. (yes, I'm thinking of a certain movie here)?? | |
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Jobs are going overseas and there is no incentive to export and Americans are too expensive, because of a bubble that keeps dollar overpriced to protect owners of bonds. How do you think belief will change that? Belief is what created the economic problem in the first place. I may like to know how belief could equalize chinese wages and US wages (pop the monetary bubble of underpriced Yuan/overpriced dollar) without a hyperinflation. Hyperinflation makes money to fall from the sky, but it will be devaluated. Last edited by ar81; 10-26-2009 at 03:41 PM. | |
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10-26-2009, 03:45 PM
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That if these systems get old and topple under their own weight that they will be replaced with better more efficient systems to take them over? Does it have to be.. slot a. goes to slot b.?? cause if that doesn't happen fiduciary hedge funds and pork belly futures will go in the toilet You see your so caught up in all the terminology and knowledge of this that there's no way to give you a specific answer without studying up on it.. or gaining access to specific spiritual information on said subject.. but what I told you above is the truth.. when old systems topple under their own weight, new systems will be in place to take over for them.. this is going to not just happen in the economic markets but with some governments too maybe even ours.. why does it matter what the how is? just take a step back and smell the roses? | |
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...or we will suffer the same financial storms we have suffered since 300 years ago, when John Law started the first crisis. The problem goes as follows. If you have more money not backed up by goods, you will have inflation. Financial engineering is the art of printing money in very creative ways. So you either destroy dollars or you will have hyperinflation. There are plenty of dollars out there. The deflation is just a bubble that protects owners of US bonds. But it is just a bubble. If you "take care of yourself" you will be vulnerable to those who create money as your money loses value or your country loses jobs. So those who create crisis make you pay for something you did not cause and you did not want. In a few words, they make money, you pay, no matter what you do. |
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10-26-2009, 09:25 PM
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Brutha: I did actually say that there are some people who prefer to just sit around smoking pot and talking about CT's if you read all of my post and not just picked out the parts that rang a bell for you. And yes, some of them do see things in their own version of truth, and can get addicted to more and more conspiracies which, when they talk about it with other CT's, validates and makes more real what they think, which is why I also said that they do need to take a step back and recognise when they are getting carried away with it and driving themselves to the nuthouse! There are also those who genuinely want to create change in the world and see it's people free from being under the control of governments...which is what, under the law of attraction, they are putting out for to the universe...which is their choice based on their own value system. Maybe the Truth is subjective to each person...but you can't deny that governments lie about ALOT of stuff, and very rarely are they interested in what's best for the people they are supposed to be working FOR, they are more caught up in their own agendas and do not act with integrity. I think raising awareness is a good thing personally, and encouraging people to think for themselves in life is a pretty positive thing...but that's not what the powers that be WANT! Why is that? Maybe alot of CT's go over the top, and get overzealous...when they think about stuff, and it all seems real to them, they want to share it with the world to wake everyone up...so people can start living a life that is less oppressed. I don't see anything wrong with that. Last edited by blossom; 10-26-2009 at 09:27 PM. |
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Sure, there are conspiracy threads. So what? If you don't like them, don't read them. As long as the threads are in compliance with the forum rules, then what's the big deal? We all have the right to express ourselves on this forum in a conscious manner, and discussing what some may believe to be a conspiracy theory could be very true for the people posting them. There are tons of conspiracies out there that actually do exist, so why should we not talk about them because a few people are annoyed by them? Move on to another thread if you don't like the one you are looking at. Just avoid the conspiracy ones. I'm sure there are a lot of threads each of us would not like to see, but they are not simply cut out because certain people do not like the topic. We are supposed to be able to discuss what we believe on these forums, so don't deny someone's reality because you simply do not agree. |
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Well said Andrew. You don't HAVE to read them if you don't like them. It's called freedom of choice. Spirit: You could be right. I know that my own brother is very heavily into CT's and he smokes alot of pot, and I can see that he has issues that he is not dealing with and all the pot and CT's is a way for him to feel like he knows what's going on in the world...but he is so emotionally immature and scared really that he isn't putting his energy where it would be the best for him...but then, what do I know...I'm just his older sister who spends too much time doing silly stuff like working on my emotional growth and development instead of escaping reality! |
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Once again I'm asking.. ar81 If you were to suddenly be on a deserted island.. would any of this matter? Would you sit on the shores thinking about "hyperinflation" "the fake dollar" "bubbles bursting" etc.? If you want my honest opinion.. I think you should do yourself a favor and take a step back from this tangled mess of intellectual bs that you have put yourself in.. I would as I already told you take a step back and smell the roses, choose to do something fun.. and leave the whole game and how it's going to be fixed, to your higher self.. that's what I'd do.. If I had to take a guess maybe your really so used to pain, fear and ego thinking that you just can't pull yourself out of it.. or you just really, really like thinking about these ideas and you find it fun.. but those are my educated guesses about the reality you're in and creating ar81.. your welcome to listen or ignore.. You see I'm not playing into your game ar81.. instead I'm just here to offer a different perspective on the subject.. Last edited by themaster; 10-27-2009 at 06:05 AM. | |
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