The Obama Deception (A must watch video)

[velvet1]

Just wanted to post this really good informative video. I think this board is very aware of the situation that we are in right now and what is coming soon.

YouTube - The Obama Deception HQ Full length version

[Dave Kaminski]

I back this film.

Alex Jones just trying to spread the truth as usual!

[Dan.Linehan]

I'm not really a fan of Alex Jones. His overall message is very disempowering. I also like many aspects of Obama's policies.

All that being said, this film is still worth watching to get a different perspective on it all.

For instance:

In the movie you see Webster Griffin Tarpley speaking over and over…. back in 1999 he wrote a book called ‘Surviving the Cataclysm’ in which warns of the worst financial crisis in human history. His second chapter bares the title: “Derivative Madness.” In short, this man not only predicted the coming collapse 10 years in advance, but he also understood the true cause. If that is not enough evidence to bring you to a firm belief what this film says is true, then NOTHING will convince you. Webster G. Tarpley

[Lil Chris]

I'm not a fan of Alex either, I used to be (he gets a bit psycho at times). One thing that always bothered me is he never gives a plan of action. He just rambles on and on about what the "evils" are doing. Perhaps one day he'll start offering solutions, rather than sensationalizing the drama...

I do tend to lean towards something fishy going on at the highest levels... Descent video for another perspective though.

[StacyT]

I don't really watch the news but my intuition says there is something is going down and it isn't good.

[Nasir]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

I'm not a fan of Alex either, I used to be (he gets a bit psycho at times). One thing that always bothered me is he never gives a plan of action. He just rambles on and on about what the "evils" are doing. Perhaps one day he'll start offering solutions, rather than sensationalizing the drama...

I do tend to lean towards something fishy going on at the highest levels... Descent video for another perspective though.

Alex Jones does not know exactly how things will unfold, so he can not give an exact list of dos & don'ts; Instead, it is the listener's job to do their own research, and execute their own plan of action.

[Some Random Loser]

OMG this video is so worth watching, just for the KRS-1 clip! You can download these videos on torrents too, Alex Jones encourages it.

[Andrew Brunelle]

This is worth watching, and I agree with a lot of what they are saying. Obama is most likely a puppet like Bush was a puppet. He's not allowed to do what he wants to do because he'll get shot. George Carlin talks about "the owners of the country" in one of his stand-up acts and it still rings true today. They're kept hidden, behind closed doors so that we never know who is truly responsible.

[Angela Leeds]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

I'm not a fan of Alex either, I used to be (he gets a bit psycho at times). One thing that always bothered me is he never gives a plan of action. He just rambles on and on about what the "evils" are doing. Perhaps one day he'll start offering solutions, rather than sensationalizing the drama...

I do tend to lean towards something fishy going on at the highest levels... Descent video for another perspective though.

I think he's pretty consistent about his message of action -- "Be aware, then say no" seems to be the common thread. I mean...what more is there with any consciousness?

There's nothing more potent than breaking disillusionment into awareness because now one *sees*. After that... just choose not to participate in the fallacy, expect leaders to have character dictated by higher ideals...not those of the globalists. And begin to take our society back to the premise of freedom and personal responsibility upon which it was built.

[Andrew Brunelle]

Originally Posted by Lil Chris

I'm not a fan of Alex either, I used to be (he gets a bit psycho at times). One thing that always bothered me is he never gives a plan of action. He just rambles on and on about what the "evils" are doing. Perhaps one day he'll start offering solutions, rather than sensationalizing the drama...

I do tend to lean towards something fishy going on at the highest levels... Descent video for another perspective though.

What is Alex going to do? He can't fight these powerful insiders. What can he possibly do against the evil people in the background when it is the in the insiders' best interest to keep all of America in the dark? Even if he gets millions of people on his side, who among them will actually take action against these criminals? And who's to say that it won't happen again after it is dismantled with new powerful elites? It's a no-win situation unless we completely alter our ways of life forever.

[funchy]

His message is that of paranoia. No solutions. No hope, no plan, no nothing. The world is one big conspiracy out to get us. "Wall Street" is this secret illumanati that is controlling our every move.

I like how little phrases and clips were taken out of context and reconstructed to create a whole new meaning. ANYONE can have their words taken out of context and twisted. If the facts were strong, the video's author should just present them instead of trying to fabricate something.

And what plan does he offer instead? None. Let's just tear down the last little bit of hope Americans have in their leadership & their country. I'm just so tired of all the bashing. It's as if some people are never happy until they're crushing our leaders into the ground, no matter who the leader is.

[cylon]

I read a review of that movie Zeitgeist and a comparison was made between conspiracy theories, and people who believed in intelligent design. That made sense to me for some reason.

This type of stuff is the result of a victim mentality and a belief in demons and monsters.

[Angela Leeds]

Originally Posted by cylon

This type of stuff is the result of a victim mentality and a belief in demons and monsters.

Not necessarily. There are those like that, for sure. Personally, as I'm nothing like that, I don't travel in those circles or support that energy.

But there are many very conscious, highly responsible individuals who simply don't buy the lies and who take the time to do their homework, and who decide they have the courage to see the truth, even through the pain of losing a previously cherished hope or assumption.

When you start to question and discover not just zero accountability to the answers, but inconsistencies and active, very well-coordinated evasion and lying, eventually an intelligent person will begin to ask "why"? And a journey begins there...

If you don't question, if you don't ask why, it will most definitely seem like paranoia because you'll never penetrate behind the veneer of what you see. And I do understand why people don't question. It is highly uncomfortable.

[brendannz]

I used to be an Alex Jones fan, some of the stuff is really disturbing and scary, but lately I've lost interest a bit. The other thing is, the only advice he does give, is to tell everybody else about this, so the whole world will know the government's hidden agenda, but basically most of the information we have about this, is the information they (the illuminati) have given us, by slipping it in their speeches. So how is everybody knowing this information going to change everything?

I really think structural engineers' opinions should be making the judgements over whether the buildings fell from airplane attacks or controlled demolition..

As well, he talks about websites and information being removed from publication at times? at times, the 'info war' but if the publishing of conspiracy information is really that forbidden, then why is Alex Jones free to publish all of his information?

Like, surely if they can blow up the twin towers by controlled demolition, without the public being aware, then they could plan for Alex Jones to be killed, if he really is an effective info-warrior, saving the world with his information.

At the same time, some of the conspiracy information is really disturbing, eg. The fact that 2/3 of Obamas name is so close to the last 2 "faces of evil" the world has seen (Obama, and Hussain) and also the vice president is Biden, and lots more. The fact that George Bush admits to being a member of Skull N Bones, and it being so secret we can't talk about it, etc. etc.

[Angela Leeds]

FWIW, one doesn't need to believe Alex Jones in the least to question and see things diifferently. He is completely besides the point. Some things become self-apparent just from paying attention and laying aside assumptions that protect our comfortable paradigms.

It's like the elephant-in-the-room dynamic...the elephant becomes obvious when one's vision is no longer obscured by agendas pro or con, when one just wants to see what "is". No use arguing with someone with an agenda whether the elephant is there or not...arguing won't make it become visible.

And the agendas that prevent the elephant from becoming apparent are deeply personal...issues of wanting to trust the very structures of society & reality to be as we want them to be. If one has not questioned the authority figures & systems in one's life - church, family, medical establishment and so on - one has powerful agendas behind not seeing what "is"...because what "is" completely rocks our assumptions of those systems on their ear. And then...what would one do with that knowledge, that new view? How would one cope? How would one feel safe and powerful? One can't face that until one is ready.

It is a huge paradigm shift.

[schola]

Originally Posted by cylon

I read a review of that movie Zeitgeist and a comparison was made between conspiracy theories, and people who believed in intelligent design. That made sense to me for some reason.

So did you watch the movie or just take someone else's word for it?

[cylon]

I hear enough people talking about it. I've read scene by scene descriptions, which is the same thing.

I don't need to watch an entire film to know that it's about being crazy.

[goodstyles]

Originally Posted by funchy

And what plan does he offer instead? None. Let's just tear down the last little bit of hope Americans have in their leadership & their country. I'm just so tired of all the bashing. It's as if some people are never happy until they're crushing our leaders into the ground, no matter who the leader is.

What you say is fair enough, but it doesn't mean that your perceptions of what is out there are the way it is because you're "just so tired of all the bashing". This isn't a Fox News / CNN propaganda whining report.

Are you suggesting that if you don't have a solution up your sleeve you shouldn't report on what you find if it's negative? If you search google images I'm sure you'll find pictures of the tooth fairy and the easter egg Bunny. If those warm and cozy feelings are what you're in to because it makes you feel better, shoot. It's neither wrong or right. But unless someone here can take what they've seen, go out and research and come back with something that undermines what they're seeing (and I'm not just talking about this video) your "feelings" based on what way you'd like the world to be, count for naught.

Hope is wonderful and it's great to have it. In spades. Where do I sign up? But having hope in your country and the leadership doesn't validate anything and anyone. It's your feeling. It's your hope. It's your ego's need for that stability and to know it's being taken care of in a responsible manner. Take a look around the world in which we live. The planet is being raped, people are starving, there's mass global extinction of animal and and plant species and you might just realise that NO! the world is not being taken care of in a responsible manner.

Maybe.

And on the topic of solutions, the Zeitgeist Addendum movie offers BIG solutions.

Originally Posted by cylon

I don't need to watch an entire film to know that it's about being crazy.

Ahh, well then, stop press.

Click here to feel good.

[schola]

Originally Posted by cylon

I hear enough people talking about it.

Do you always let other people do your thinking for you?

[Inthon]

Gross, I can't stand to watch chanting crowds...

[cylon]

Originally Posted by schola

Do you always let other people do your thinking for you?

Oh yeah, all the time. Especially the conspiracy theory nuts. It's easy to let them think for me because they spend 24 hours a day reading all the skitzo-conspiracy sites. It saves me a lot of time.

Hey did you know that if you fold a $20 bill five ways it shows Michelle Obama's walk-in closet?

[cylon]

BTW I voted for McCain.

I don't like Obama or his policies. I just don't think he's a part of some grand Harry Potter-like scheme.

When people don't know any better, they vote for the charismatic guy who has no real-world experience. I'm sure that will be true for thousands and thousands of years.

In 2008 the guy who had no experience but could talk good was Obama. In 20 years it will be some other dude.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by goodstyles

Ahh, well then, stop press.

Click here to feel good.

Doesn't it feel good to take responsibility for your life?

[Eric Revelin]

I don't take anything that Alex Jones says as valid. He's too sensational with his reporting. I get the impression that he has his own agenda and while he thinks it's sharing the truth it's little more than his own propaganda. He's a lot like David Icke in that regard. I don't doubt either man's sincerity, and I think the conspirators point at legitimate problems with society from time to time, but so much research has to be done to find the little bit of truth that they've provided that it's easier to start with my homework and not bother with their material at all.

[cylon]

It usually comes down to "It's the Jews".

[mercuryrising]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

What is Alex going to do? He can't fight these powerful insiders. What can he possibly do against the evil people in the background when it is the in the insiders' best interest to keep all of America in the dark? Even if he gets millions of people on his side, who among them will actually take action against these criminals? And who's to say that it won't happen again after it is dismantled with new powerful elites? It's a no-win situation unless we completely alter our ways of life forever.

This is where I decided politics was a dead end. On this forum alone, we've been talking about all these banks going under for a long time. We all saw it coming. We debated who would be the best president. Now we're discussing how to get out of a recession and who is to blame.

What can you and I do about this situation at any given point? How do you and I even have a clue what is *really* going on so that we can act effectively? How do we determine who to believe when we never have all the facts?

Someone said on here during the election that this was really a spiritual conflict. The only way I can see that we can change this is by looking at what's going in our hearts and coming to a resolution there. The external symptoms will automatically go away because they are a reflection of the internal environment.

It may sound airy-fairy, but the truth is that spirituality is the only practical method to create change.

[goodstyles]

Originally Posted by cylon

Doesn't it feel good to take responsibility for your life?

Yes, it does.

Taking responsibility has little to do with the truth. It helps you find it though.

[cylon]

I seem to be doing fine without conspiracy theories as my "truth". That's a lot of baggage to carry around. Heavy on the shoulders.

[goodstyles]

I didn't say it was "your" truth. And there's no reason to assume that the state of x, y or z, should then be baggage for you to carry around. That is also your choice and falls under taking responsibility for your own life.

The idea that it is baggage, is separate to the state of the truth out there.
How you feel about the truth doesn't change the truth.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by cylon

I hear enough people talking about it. I've read scene by scene descriptions, which is the same thing.

I don't need to watch an entire film to know that it's about being crazy.

LOL, seriously?

Not at all...