Illuminati Conspiracy

[Aleksander Krstic]

Do you believe in Illuminati or not?
Please explain why.

Here are a couple of Youtube videos if you are interested in what it is:

YouTube - The Illuminati and the New World Order
YouTube - John Todd a former Illuminatist: (Explaining The Illuminati)
YouTube - Open Your Mind - Illuminati Symbolism
YouTube - Illuminati Freemason III New World Order 2012 Part 1
YouTube - THE ILLUMINATI

Thank you in advance for your answers.

[maximumlight]

I love Illuminati conspiracies, not because I think they're true [there's no way to really know], but they are extremely creative.

My favorite one involved Britney Spears and Madonna -- how Britney was the new Princess of the Illuminati, but when she shaved her head, she was trying to break away from the mind control.

Is Britney Spears Satan's Whore Of Babylon? Satanic Illuminati Mystery Cult 666

Be careful, because if you're sensitive to vibrations and weird energies, watching that video I put before made me feel really odd/uncomfortable.

some stuff on Britney illuminati conspiracies.
Illuminati torture of their ex-icon Britney Spears, the failed Madonna II, explained - Forums of Pravda.Ru

[cnwoods]

Do I believe? Well, yes and no. It's obvious that government isn't running the world, and capitalist interests are, but whether that's a real society (and whether they'd call themselves the illuminati) is another question.

Regardless, I do love Robert Anton Wilson's books. And Dan Brown's. Funnily enough I also have a long history of drawing pyramids with an eye of horus in the middle and 8 rays of light coming out - from about age 9. No, I don't live in the states so it's not from seeing something like it on money. It's just a favourite doodle and always has been.

Does that mean I'm a reincarnated member of the illuminati? (It can't be the masons, apparently, since I'm female)

[Inthon]

Do I believe in wasting my time watching Internet videos to convince me people control my destiny? No.

Do I take action to improve my life? Yes.

Your move.

[JorgeHTQH]

First video good!!!! even the last few seconds of the video gives us a huge key by letting us know how they form human beings into what they become.. TV..

Second video by John Todd is very good but he's mixed up on the doctrine side of things. The chip, the mark that they will put on the foreheads (minds) is not the mark of the beast.. on part 4 or 5 he speaks on music and hits it right on the nail.. if only people knew that they litteraly become what they listen to then they would have more control of what kind of people they become...

the video on the symbolism was interesting.. didn't know that all those companies were owned by all the same people...

The last 2 are simply good education... a higher level of education for those who seek it...

the video on Brittney spears is funny.. but she is not the harlot babylon, hehehe.. she is however a tool for them just like everyone else like her... a tool used to form the minds and the lives of the people....

Thanks for sharing....

[magi13]

^^, all you need to answer this question is to have factual proof of it's existence

[Montrealonmymind]

I beleive there is truth to the concept that the world is out of our hands and in the hands of rich/business/elite that don't care about the average person or important issues like the environement. I beleive that politics is a scam and a big game...whoever is better at shmoozing their way to the top gets in. Not necisarily whoever is doing good things in their community and changing things for the better.

[magi13]

Originally Posted by Montrealonmymind

I beleive there is truth to the concept that the world is out of our hands and in the hands of rich/business/elite that don't care about the average person or important issues like the environement. I beleive that politics is a scam and a big game...whoever is better at shmoozing their way to the top gets in. Not necisarily whoever is doing good things in their community and changing things for the better.

That is the legal realist point of view. Amen.

^,^ I'd like to think, that even though people are being an elitist as long as there is a positive effect to any of us, I will not condone, the one's on top.

[schola]

My view is that there is an international conspiracy by a small group of people, no more than a few thousand, who have undue influence on the governments, banks, and corporations of most countries on this planet. Their (stated) goal is a one world government where they control all the resources of the planet, including humans (human resources.)

I don't know what their motivation is. Maybe it's simply power. Or some misguided attempt to bring about their idea of utopia. I also don't know how old this group is or whether they practice occult witchcraft. I'm not sure whether that matters. Identifying "who" this group really is won't take away their power.

The only defense I can see is for humanity to collectively reject the influence of outside authority and trust the authority within. As long as we let external authority influence us, there will always be someone at the top who manipulates the masses for their own gain.

[maximumlight]

Originally Posted by schola

My view is that there is an international conspiracy by a small group of people, no more than a few thousand, who have undue influence on the governments, banks, and corporations of most countries on this planet. Their (stated) goal is a one world government where they control all the resources of the planet, including humans (human resources.)

I don't know what their motivation is. Maybe it's simply power. Or some misguided attempt to bring about their idea of utopia. I also don't know how old this group is or whether they practice occult witchcraft. I'm not sure whether that matters. Identifying "who" this group really is won't take away their power.

The only defense I can see is for humanity to collectively reject the influence of outside authority and trust the authority within. As long as we let external authority influence us, there will always be someone at the top who manipulates the masses for their own gain.

The more I think about the concept of the Illuminati, the more disheartened I am. Most people that run Illuminati websites, from what I've been able to see, are extremely disconnected from both understanding what goes on in Washington politics and other aspects of the "real world" as in, how would they know this? How can I believe these far-fetched explanations that they come up with?

Accepting the concept of the Illuminati, or the way most people do, assumes that we are all victims of these great, unknown powers that be. It's more fun to think of "how can I secretly become part of the Illuminati!" or "how can I change my life so I have more control and Illuminati has less control"

[Subscreet]

Originally Posted by maximumlight

The more I think about the concept of the Illuminati, the more disheartened I am. Most people that run Illuminati websites, from what I've been able to see, are extremely disconnected from both understanding what goes on in Washington politics and other aspects of the "real world" as in, how would they know this? How can I believe these far-fetched explanations that they come up with?

Sadly, many of these people have severe mental illnesses and literally live in a world of their own paranoid delusions. Even though they may be extremely intelligent in some ways, disorders like schizophrenia distort their reality. Here's an example of a guy who is most likely schizophrenic.

Not that everybody who believes in the Illuminati and other conspiracy theories is mentally ill, but unfortunately some of them are. I really don't know what to say about the otherwise healthy people who automatically believe that kind of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ any time they read it. Ironically they're usually the obnoxious internet lolbertarian "WAKE UP SHEEPLE KOOL AID" type who accuse everybody else of being the ones to blindly follow, completely unaware of their own cognitive dissonance.

[maximumlight]

[QUOTE=Subscreet;304468]Sadly, many of these people have severe mental illnesses and literally live in a world of their own paranoid delusions. Even though they may be extremely intelligent in some ways, disorders like schizophrenia distort their reality. Here's an example of a guy who is most likely schizophrenic.



You said it much more articulately than I did!

[magi13]

with respect to secret societies, fraternities or sororities, even organizations, the truth about them can only be said by a full fledge member. The view of the outside is different from what is inside, at the same time each group or even within a group has different goals and agendas.

this is normal really if you check how culture is formed, and how subculture exists within them.

people hang to the idea that there is a great secret, be it a word, immortality or the concept of success or the idea of "i belong"

if we are to dissect the subject.

the whole world is one community

the world has sub-communities we can nations

each nation has another sub communities

so on and so forth, and within those communities they are linked depending on their needs or wants or a similar way of thinking.

there are those who are also different in manners where they want to have nothing to do with the world.

i'm surprised to see why people really question something so normal or intuitive. ^^,

Maybe some people never viewed it this way.

[gluey]

i think if you believe in conspiracies you probably live with irrational fears.
they are there to make people seem like either liars or morons.
hate breeds lies and encourages ignorance.
love, the opposite of fear is much better.

[magi13]

love ^^, i like, make love not war.

note:

psychology states that the difference between love and hate is that the former is less violent than the latter, that's why people can survive on hate.

now that's done, i do agree with positive love. ^,^ it's a better overall drive and motivation. hate , anger is just a quick fix.

[ming]

I am a big fan of Illuminatti and some other elite associations I'd love to join the club but I am not rich enough. It is the hand-to-mouth existence that most of us lead that I find a truly conspiracy against life riches.

[schola]

Originally Posted by maximumlight

The more I think about the concept of the Illuminati, the more disheartened I am. Most people that run Illuminati websites, from what I've been able to see, are extremely disconnected from both understanding what goes on in Washington politics and other aspects of the "real world" as in, how would they know this? How can I believe these far-fetched explanations that they come up with?

Accepting the concept of the Illuminati, or the way most people do, assumes that we are all victims of these great, unknown powers that be. It's more fun to think of "how can I secretly become part of the Illuminati!" or "how can I change my life so I have more control and Illuminati has less control"

I don't read the websites you're talking about so I'm not sure what to tell you.

Most of my beliefs are based on a few observations I've made by studying psychology, history and human behavior.

Axiom: Powerful people will do almost anything to preserve their power. That's human nature.

John D. Rockefeller left his family the biggest fortune ever amassed in history by one individual. (source) He wielded great political and corporate influence. You don't think his family is interested in preserving the great power left to them? In fact, the evidence suggests that they've actually increased the family's power since John D. died. Most of it is locked up in various non-profits (such as the Rockefeller foundation) in order to keep the wealth off their books.

The Rockefeller Foundation funds (and thus influences) research in many areas of science including agriculture, biotechnology, and healthcare. Is it a coincidence that the Green Revolution that they funded just so happened to funnel a lot of money into big agribusiness and multinational corporations like Monsanto?

[Inthon]

You know who else has a lot of money and influence? STEVE PAVLINA.

Just because someone is rich and powerful doesn't mean they are evil.

It seems an awful lot of people who are freaked out by powerful people need to develop some power of their own and not get rattled by what others are doing.

Focus on creating value for others and abundance will follow. It doesn't matter who is in charge of government, since YOU are in charge of your life.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by cnwoods

Does that mean I'm a reincarnated member of the illuminati? (It can't be the masons, apparently, since I'm female)

What makes you assume you reincarnated as the same gender?

[schola]

Originally Posted by Inthon

You know who else has a lot of money and influence? STEVE PAVLINA.

Just because someone is rich and powerful doesn't mean they are evil.

It seems an awful lot of people who are freaked out by powerful people need to develop some power of their own and not get rattled by what others are doing.

Focus on creating value for others and abundance will follow. It doesn't matter who is in charge of government, since YOU are in charge of your life.

When you discover the "powerful people" have been poisoning your food, water, mind and general well-being for the past 70 years or so, it can be mildly irritating to say the least.

You're right about one thing: it's up to the individual to take charge of his or her life.

[magi13]

i think religion serves as the controller of the human mind, since they affect us since childhood, even till now. They are legally accepted, it's a scary thought.

[SuavePlaya]

Yeah I believe in the Illuminati Conspiracy. If you do not believe it keep believing for change LOL. I was going to post a few quotes that people openly admitting to the new world order, but many people are too thick headed. I will post you a link of what one of our presidents said before he got killed you might know him.


YouTube - The speech that got John F. Kennedy Killed

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by SuavePlaya

Yeah I believe in the Illuminati Conspiracy. If you do not believe it keep believing for change LOL. I was going to post a few quotes that people openly admitting to the new world order, but many people are too thick headed. I will post you a link of what one of our presidents said before he got killed you might know him.


YouTube - The speech that got John F. Kennedy Killed

..............

You do know that many of those quotes are fabricated or taken out of context, right? That's the case with the JFK speech- it has nothing to do with the Illuminati when taken in context.

It isn't thick-headed to demand verification of the source of such quotes or to look at what has been said in its original context.

[SuavePlaya]

Eric, I could post so many quotes and your thick head still would find a cover up. I mean it's like they say ignorance is bliss. I'am pretty sure all these things that happen are coincidence. In politics nothing that happens is coincidence. I'am not saying blame them for everything that happens on earth and you have no hope. All i'am saying denying that they exist is just ignorance.

[lavania]

I believe that the Illuminati do influence not only the music industry, but also movies, politics (the bush family were apparently members of the secret society), technology, stocks and pretty much everything. Bush apparently knew about 9/11, since he was a member, and this was his plan for the "NEW WORLD ORDER" which is repeated a lot in songs, not only current but old ones from the '80's like The Police and Queen. The most current slave for the Illuminati is Lady Gaga. Most of her music videos contain all sorts of satanic influences and symbols, it's so clear once you watch a few things on youtube. If you have the time, watch '911 Loose Change' on youtube. (Goes for an hour or so)

YouTube - 911 Loose Change (full-length)

It's all about how 9/11 was an inside job, and not terrorism at all. It's hard to comprehend all of these theories, but if you open your mind and look outside the box, you will come to realize that this "NEW WORLD ORDER" is bigger than we can imagine...

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by lavania

I believe that the Illuminati do influence not only the music industry, but also movies, politics (the bush family were apparently members of the secret society), technology, stocks and pretty much everything. Bush apparently knew about 9/11, since he was a member, and this was his plan for the "NEW WORLD ORDER" which is repeated a lot in songs, not only current but old ones from the '80's like The Police and Queen. The most current slave for the Illuminati is Lady Gaga. Most of her music videos contain all sorts of satanic influences and symbols, it's so clear once you watch a few things on youtube. If you have the time, watch '911 Loose Change' on youtube. (Goes for an hour or so)

YouTube - 911 Loose Change (full-length)

It's all about how 9/11 was an inside job, and not terrorism at all. It's hard to comprehend all of these theories, but if you open your mind and look outside the box, you will come to realize that this "NEW WORLD ORDER" is bigger than we can imagine...

I have been arguing with truthers and NWO haters for a little while now. As I used to be one of them, I understand their viewpoint. The New World Order is not a matter of 'if', but of 'how'. You see, the unification of the nations of the planet is inevitable. It is part of the natural progression of our evolution. How it happens though, largely depends on what you as an individual add to the collective pool of planetary consciousness, which is currently asleep and dreaming some odd dreams. Will it be a violent awakening? Will we be ripped from our slumber, bleary eyed and panicked? Or will we awake feeling new, fresh and ready to explore the cosmos with our brothers and sisters? There are people in positions of power who want to use the planetary unification that WILL happen, to place themselves at a position of absolute power. It does not have to happen this way, but it can happen this way. It's all up to chance. The odds for you and I will be different today, as they were yesterday and will be just as different tomorrow. So many variables, so many perspectives and so little time to sort them all out. Indeed we will approach the eye of the needle soon enough. Will you fit? What's on the other side of a global awakening?

Oh and do remember all this 'Satanic' stuff is mostly a concept made by religious institutions. Lucifer could of very well been the leader of a rebellious faction of alien visitors, disgruntled with the way his master was handling relations with Earth. Or simply personifications of vibrational polarities. Keep in mind the people interpreting all those events were comparably primitive. Who knows what's 'really' going on

Personally I am rather partial to Discordian and Subgenius theological perspectives, I have suspicions that some Illuminators are too. If you have the money and the connections, playing with peoples beliefs is probably a hell of alot more fun than trying to deliver a truth no one truly understands. In the words of Dobbs, "**** em if they can't take a joke".

[blossom]

Someone posted the other day that thinking these ways are "negative" and "scary", and whilst I agree that it is scary, I don't necessarily think that is a negative experience. She was saying that , to her, it is better to just think positive and believe that the government has our best interests at heart, and be happy, than to think this way and call it 'realistic'.
I don't believe in burying my head in the sand about any of this stuff, and I have been a CT, for many years, though I came to the conclusion that it is better for my consciousness to not be thinking about them and giving them my energy, but rather to know they are there and go about my life doing what I can to raise awareness and live well. To me, having fun and being happy IS what beats them, since they seem to have designed everything to keep everyone down!

Any thoughts on this?

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by blossom

Someone posted the other day that thinking these ways are "negative" and "scary", and whilst I agree that it is scary, I don't necessarily think that is a negative experience. She was saying that , to her, it is better to just think positive and believe that the government has our best interests at heart, and be happy, than to think this way and call it 'realistic'.
I don't believe in burying my head in the sand about any of this stuff, and I have been a CT, for many years, though I came to the conclusion that it is better for my consciousness to not be thinking about them and giving them my energy, but rather to know they are there and go about my life doing what I can to raise awareness and live well. To me, having fun and being happy IS what beats them, since they seem to have designed everything to keep everyone down!

Any thoughts on this?

Your attitude is far more positive than sand exploring could ever be
I wouldn't say it's realistic, though that isn't really fair because I don't believe in realists.

[blossom]

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

Your attitude is far more positive than sand exploring could ever be
I wouldn't say it's realistic, though that isn't really fair because I don't believe in realists.

What really is there to be found in the sand anyway?...it's far more interesting above land!

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by blossom

What really is there to be found in the sand anyway?...it's far more interesting above land!

Well, aside from the geotopical history of a beach, sand fleas, angry crabs and lost valuables, nothing worthwhile.