Why are ppl so skeptical of OBAMA????

[loveliketheflowers]

I just read in one post about OBAMA bombing pakistan??
How come I do not know about this? How come this is not on the four or five news channels right now??
How did this person know this and not ME who lives here?
But they keep on talking about OBAMA's plans to do things like close guantamo bay and his daughters (something i really do not agree with, they really need to leave the little girls alone) and how ugly his wife's dress was (so ridiculous, why was that on the NEWS?).....

getting back to point.... WHY ARE PPL DAMNING OBAMA ALREADY? DON'T YOU WANT HIM TO DO GOOD? DON'T YOU WANT HIM TO DO THE CHANGE? or is there something I am missing? (i really think it is sad how they are blowing up the "historical moment" thing....its just toooo much i think)

please share opinions and also news references and blogs where I can get more, accurate, and real information on this situation. love to know the truth.

[magi13]

Originally Posted by loveliketheflowers

I just read in one post about OBAMA bombing pakistan??
How come I do not know about this? How come this is not on the four or five news channels right now??
How did this person know this and not ME who lives here?
But they keep on talking about OBAMA's plans to do things like close guantamo bay and his daughters (something i really do not agree with, they really need to leave the little girls alone) and how ugly his wife's dress was (so ridiculous, why was that on the NEWS?).....

getting back to point.... WHY ARE PPL DAMNING OBAMA ALREADY? DON'T YOU WANT HIM TO DO GOOD? DON'T YOU WANT HIM TO DO THE CHANGE? or is there something I am missing? (i really think it is sad how they are blowing up the "historical moment" thing....its just toooo much i think)

please share opinions and also news references and blogs where I can get more, accurate, and real information on this situation. love to know the truth.

People ride the flow, ^^ they don't actually know what they want. That's why they are not giving Obama a chance. People just complain, without evidence. When they get what they wish for they complain again.


They just need to be responsible with their choices and live with it

[bman]

Think outside of the box.


Go watch The Money Masters, TerrorStorm, Loose Change.

Zeitgeist Addendum.

[Still Growing]

It seems like you are really asking "Why isn't the media reporting the facts?"

[loveliketheflowers]

Originally Posted by Still Growing

It seems like you are really asking "Why isn't the media reporting the facts?"

WELL....why aren't they? Why is it so filtered with celeb bs and other bs??...

[Brutha]

When you think about politics it's often helpful to try to take a step back from the stories and look beyond them instead of simply following the masses.

That means that you should focus on stories like Exemption Exception « Don Vandergriff to create public pressure to make sure that change is really happening.

It's also important to build pressure to end the Iraq war and to create a meaningful reform of congress.
Just because Obama gives a few nice speeches, that doesn't mean that you should stop demanding the right things.

There are also other people who think that the public stimulus package would be bad. I don't share that opinion but I can understand that those people are a bit reserved when it comes to Obama.

WELL....why aren't they? Why is it so filtered with celeb bs and other bs??.

For some reason some people choose to read media regularly that filled with celeberity bs.
I can't really understand it...

Today you really have no excuse to read that kind of media. If you read it, you are responsible for it.
Today you have technology like RSS with allows you to subscribe to the specific journalists that provide good reporting (and you can set the standards yourself).

It seems like you are really asking "Why isn't the media reporting the facts?"

Hey, maybe it was a fact that Michelle's dress was ugly?

[Gabo]

People are skeptical of Obama because in the first week of his presidency he has already lost their trust by compromising what he espoused in his campaign.

He bombs Pakistan, killing 15 people, including three children. Where is our diplomat?
He refuses to comment on that bombing. Where is our transparency?
He calls for dismissal on a case challenging warrantless wiretapping. Where are our civil liberties?


From my point of view, Obama has already shown his true colors. I was holding out hope that he would really change our foreign or domestic policy, but his first week in office has popped that bubble of hope I had.

Welcome to the third term of the era Bush started.

[JMan]

Originally Posted by Gabo

People are skeptical of Obama because in the first week of his presidency he has already lost their trust by compromising what he espoused in his campaign.

He bombs Pakistan, killing 15 people, including three children. Where is our diplomat?
He refuses to comment on that bombing. Where is our transparency?
He calls for dismissal on a case challenging warrantless wiretapping. Where are our civil liberties?


From my point of view, Obama has already shown his true colors. I was holding out hope that he would really change our foreign or domestic policy, but his first week in office has popped that bubble of hope I had.

Welcome to the third term of the era Bush started.

You're wrong - Obama did EXACTLY what he said he would do when he was campaigning in 2007. Here's what was said then:



Bush and McCain are referring to a speech that Obama gave in August 2007 at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington. He spoke about the problem of terrorists at large within Pakistan. He said he would continue to provide military aid to Pakistan as long as the authorities there work to close terrorist training camps and prevent the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan.

Then Obama added:

"I understand that (Pakistan) President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

The transcript of his speech makes it clear that Obama is talking about targeting terrorists within the country regardless of whether he has the permission of the Pakistani government.

[Gabo]

Perhaps it was wrong of me to assume that Obama didn't officially support murdering children.
I think the reason people may be skeptical, then, is that Obama does support these things.

And, for the record, he definitely has flip-flopped on warrantless wiretapping.
And he definitely did claim that his administration would bring transparency.

[loveliketheflowers]

Originally Posted by JMan

You're wrong - Obama did EXACTLY what he said he would do when he was campaigning in 2007. Here's what was said then:



Bush and McCain are referring to a speech that Obama gave in August 2007 at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington. He spoke about the problem of terrorists at large within Pakistan. He said he would continue to provide military aid to Pakistan as long as the authorities there work to close terrorist training camps and prevent the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan.

Then Obama added:

"I understand that (Pakistan) President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

The transcript of his speech makes it clear that Obama is talking about targeting terrorists within the country regardless of whether he has the permission of the Pakistani government.

this is HORRIBLE!

all of my friends and family are on a obama high right now and you are saying this? sad sad sad.....i can't say i can't believe it, cause politics are just tricky like that i guess

[loveliketheflowers]

Does anyone know the link with this news story because I can not find it on the internet? Where are you getting this information from that HE bombed Pakistan..... I would love to learn more about this.

[Gabo]

Here are the articles for what I referenced:

Obama Orders Bombing of Pakistan

Obama Administration Refuses to Comment on Attacks

Obama Calls for Dismissal of Wiretapping Case

[Brutha]

Obama Administration Refuses to Comment on Attacks

He was very transparent about his position on Pakistan beforehand.
Saying no comment speaks a certain language that everyone can understand.

Obama Calls for Dismissal of Wiretapping Case

More fair would be to say: Obama didn't stop someone in his administration from calling for a dismissal of a wiretapping case.

There no way to switch out everyone instandly and the person who acted in this instance is still someone from the old Bush administration.

[Inthon]

To answer your question about politics being dirty... Politics is dirty since gaining power means winning via popularity, something not always (if ever) aligned with the truth.

There is no way to manage 300million people in 50 states. Power should always be decentralized so your state, county, city have more control; rather than your nation's capital.

The more collectivized the power structure is (the more power the national capital wields) the worse off we all are.

This is something I plan on blogging more about later on. Thanks for starting this great thread!

[wachusettgirl]

Originally Posted by Inthon

To answer your question about politics being dirty... Politics is dirty since gaining power means winning via popularity, something not always (if ever) aligned with the truth.

Why? Call me crazy, but isn't "by the people, for the people" all about getting to the bottom of what the majority wants? Maybe our democratic system isn't perfect all the time, but it is based on what the people (who actually care enough to vote) want. In a democracy, why wouldn't popular opinion be in alignment with the truth?

[wachusettgirl]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Saying no comment speaks a certain language that everyone can understand.

Exactly, and there are matters of security. Obama is the US Commander in Chief, he would be a fool to tell the press what was going on within top level intelligence and military operations.

[Gabo]

I could care less about what Obama said he was going to do.
I'm going to scrutinize his policy decisions whether he lied about them or was truthful.

My problems with his positions are that:
-he is perpetuating violence against innocent people
-he is not protecting the rights of his constituents
-he wants to spend money we do not have on projects we can't afford


Until he changes these things, I don't care what he says about "hope" or "change".

[Brutha]

In a democracy, why wouldn't popular opinion be in alignment with the truth?

Popular opinion is seldom in alignment with truth because it's hard work to be in alignment with truth and most people don't like hard work.

[wachusettgirl]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Popular opinion is seldom in alignment with truth because it's hard work to be in alignment with truth and most people don't like hard work.

Yes, ok, but democracy is aligned with a version of truth that the majority believe in.

[dice]

Toddlers are freaking fanatic about him! I saw a kid in Chapters bookstore today who was grabbing every book with a picture of him on it, waving them around and screaming LOOK BA-ROK Obana! Baraok Obana! Moommy! Bark Obana!

it was the most adorable thing hahaha

[JMan]

Originally Posted by dice

Toddlers are freaking fanatic about him! I saw a kid in Chapters bookstore today who was grabbing every book with a picture of him on it, waving them around and screaming LOOK BA-ROK Obana! Baraok Obana! Moommy! Bark Obana!

it was the most adorable thing hahaha

Ah, when national leaders are adored by the youth....

[Brutha]

Yes, ok, but democracy is aligned with a version of truth that the majority believe in.

A majority of the US is for having laws that forbid discriminating against homosexuals when it comes to the job market.
At the same time a majority of the US doesn't want that homosexuals get allowed to be school teachers.

People often hold views that aren't compatible with each other.

[JorgeHTQH]

because obama is osama, hahahahahah :>)