Andy Pero, Montauk and "The Superman Project"

[shakra]

Ok... I've been reading and re-reading and scouring the net about this bloke since I first read the story about 6 or 7 years ago..

At times, I feel like I need to discuss this, but I have no one to debate/discuss this with in great detail..

so I am hoping to open up an open discussion on your thoughts and feelings of Andy's story, as well as what you think of his situation, how he got to be in that situation, Silva Mind Control techniques - good or bad?, amongst a range of other topics sparked off by this story.



I urge you to read Andy's autobiography.. so that we can have an open discussion on my concerns, and any other things you may have to add:

It's in 7 parts..
part one
part two
part three
part four
part five
part six
part seven

you may perhaps even be interested in these follow up articles.. but first I would just like to open the can of worms..


I have always felt that I should be alerting people about this story...

I feel like I am a messanger for Andy, although we have never met and probably never will. This has been bothering me on a deep level for many years.

[RRR]

I got through him in Kindergarten/1st grade. You'll need to summarize for most people, I found it to be a strange read and had to quit for now.

[shakra]

Sorry I should have pre-warned.. it's a long and, at times, strange read. It's not a literary wonder.. but it's something that has always intrigued me.

Here's my best attempt at a summary:

This guy has been under government mind control experimentation for most of his life. The story is him trying to put as much as he can remember on paper in a chronological order.

He remembers a "school" on a military base when he was 5.

He remembers being called an "absolute genius" in the 4th grade after those standard IQ tests they do. Was also the biggest kid in the class and always an athlete, with a bad stutter and considered by everyone as the class idiot. He cant remember when the stuttering started, or why.

His mother enrolled him in Silva Mind Control course when he was a kids and this is when he recalls meeting the "men in uniform". One of them said to him "we hear you have some very special abilities.. You know you're going to work for me one day"..

and.. to cut a lonnng story short.. they've been throwing him off buildings, out of planes, trying to break him mentally and physically etc..

He has abilities not unlike those in the TV show Heroes.. I first read this story 8 years ago.. so when Heroes started I was reminded of Andy Pero.

[frajilthunder]

Delusion. A wild read, but I can't believe this is anything but a complex delusion.

[shakra]

Originally Posted by frajilthunder

Delusion. A wild read, but I can't believe this is anything but a complex delusion.

does that mean that you are not at all open to the possibility that mind control and brainwashing techniques are used for various research purposes??



I understand that it's a wild read..

I understand that to most people this situation seems unplausable



Do you believe that people can be "programmed"?

[frajilthunder]

Originally Posted by shakra

does that mean that you are not at all open to the possibility that mind control and brainwashing techniques are used for various research purposes??



I understand that it's a wild read..

I understand that to most people this situation seems unplausable



Do you believe that people can be "programmed"?

No, I think it probably happens to some degree. But I think what happened to this fellow is schizophrenia. It appears that he had a psychotic break when he was in high school. This is a typical time for the onset of schizophrenia.

A few things don't add up. He doesn't have the writing skills of someone with an IQ of 150, as he claims to have. The sexual nature of some of his "memories" is suspect. In the first part of the narrative, It's his psychologist's (why does he have a psychologist in high school?) wife and her friend that drug him and sex him up, but later in the narrative, it was that he had sex with multiple humans/aliens as part of a breeding program. This is sexual fantasy working it's way into the delusional system. The fact that the high school drama was about steroid use, and later he talks about his college roommate getting him to try steroids. I'd say there was probably some steroid use in there somewhere and it also got worked into his delusions. The plane jump was first described with a senator as the observer, then later in the narrative, President Bush was the observer. That his college roommate, his Atlanta roommate, and then his mother were all his controllers reeks of classic paranoia.

[Subscreet]

Originally Posted by frajilthunder

No, I think it probably happens to some degree. But I think what happened to this fellow is schizophrenia. It appears that he had a psychotic break when he was in high school. This is a typical time for the onset of schizophrenia.

A few things don't add up. He doesn't have the writing skills of someone with an IQ of 150, as he claims to have. The sexual nature of some of his "memories" is suspect. In the first part of the narrative, It's his psychologist's (why does he have a psychologist in high school?) wife and her friend that drug him and sex him up, but later in the narrative, it was that he had sex with multiple humans/aliens as part of a breeding program. This is sexual fantasy working it's way into the delusional system. The fact that the high school drama was about steroid use, and later he talks about his college roommate getting him to try steroids. I'd say there was probably some steroid use in there somewhere and it also got worked into his delusions. The plane jump was first described with a senator as the observer, then later in the narrative, President Bush was the observer. That his college roommate, his Atlanta roommate, and then his mother were all his controllers reeks of classic paranoia.

I agree. This explanation is way more plausible. It's going to take something more credible than a website that mentions the Illuminati, colloidal silver, aliens, and chemtrails before I even get to the story. All too often people misuse phrases like "educate yourself" and "free your mind" as euphemisms for "believe my brand of crazy ****."

[shakra]

Originally Posted by Subscreet

I agree. This explanation is way more plausible. It's going to take something more credible than a website that mentions the Illuminati, colloidal silver, aliens, and chemtrails before I even get to the story. All too often people misuse phrases like "educate yourself" and "free your mind" as euphemisms for "believe my brand of crazy ****."

Very fair points guys... I agree.. the schizo explanation definitely seems more plausible... But then so is working hard towards your personal goals to get something you really desire in comparison with things like intention manifestation.. (what I'm trying to say is that sometimes the sensational can also be true, regardless of how difficult it is for our sense of logic to take it on board)

I do agree that the "facts" presented by Andy in the story are somewhat contradictory.. but this could be due to post-traumatic stress..

WHAT IF someone's been in your brain "re-wiring" or "reprogramming" and setting triggers etc, then "I believe" it's plausible that something as simple as him attempting to tell the story/facts of what has happened to him causes a trigger to start him dribbling this blurb that most people will view as sensational and schizophrenic.. and unbelievable.

and... for some very very strange reason I can't help but believe there is an element of truth in what he is saying.. I can't explain it.. perhaps it's my claircognizance..


I know by now you all think I'm nuts..

[rini17]

...sometimes I just get a taste for such a mindfood

What struck me as very odd that, despite all mental abilities, Andy seemed never really using his free will, he mostly acted from the level of escape instinct.
He never tried to contact his purpose/guides/God/whatever like during the whole time (neither any consciousness contacted him) and supposedly ended in some cult. He reasoned to Illuminati and to aliens that there is great potential in humankind and they better be not messing with that... but he completely failed to use that potential to help himself.

But we should never forget that the story could have been purposefully distorted to exclude such information, something like what happened to WingMakers website over time.

[Brutha]

and... for some very very strange reason I can't help but believe there is an element of truth in what he is saying.. I can't explain it.. perhaps it's my claircognizance..

Or maybe it's just the bias to want to believe that the government is evil that produces the feeling that there is some element of truth.

[frajilthunder]

Originally Posted by rini17

But we should never forget that the story could have been purposefully distorted to exclude such information, something like what happened to WingMakers website over time.

What happened to the WingMakers website is that the dude got caught lying in order to sell his paintings and music. You have to admit though, he did put a lot of work into the site.

[rini17]

Originally Posted by frajilthunder

What happened to the WingMakers website is that the dude got caught lying in order to sell his paintings and music. You have to admit though, he did put a lot of work into the site.

Got instantly reminded to Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum... the simplest explanation is often not enough to satisfy the curiosity

[mityno]

Originally Posted by shakra

Ok... I've been reading and re-reading and scouring the net about this bloke since I first read the story about 6 or 7 years ago..

At times, I feel like I need to discuss this, but I have no one to debate/discuss this with in great detail...

...This has been bothering me on a deep level for many years.

Exactly how I feel.

I used to work at Lockheed Georgia on the Dobbins AFB in the mid-1980's on the C5B Galaxy program.

Dobbins Air Reserve Base - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Lockheed Georgia plant is located on Dobbins AFB. I have visited most of the various hanger buildings including the hangers that were for the Naval Reserve. I know where the L11 "Black Hole" building is located but I never had the clearance level needed to enter it. The Black Hole is similar to "The Skunkworks" at the Lockheed Burbank plant. The F22 was being developed there as far back as 1986.

The main B1 Lockheed building is 55 acres under one roof and was built in less than one year in 1942 by the Bell Bomber Company solely to build B29 Super-fortresses. It was the main assembly building for the C5 as well as for the 141's and 130's. But there are dozens of satellite buildings all over the base. Most have underground bomb shelter tunnels under them, including the B1 main building. I would not be surprised if there was a massive tunnel complex linking many of the underground bomb shelter tunnels. I have no proof of this, just speculation on my part, but it would make sound logical sense. Dobbins was constructed with a pair of what were and remain some of the longest runways on the planet. Fully loaded B29's needed a long run to get airborne. The SR71's used Dobbins as an emergency landing base many times over the years when they flew.

If I were making warfare plans to repel an invasion of the USA, as any responsible government should, I would have large underground facility infrastructure at several large runway bases like Dobbins across the country. This would give me the ability to fly plane loads of troops and supplies from one base to another and off load them secretly out of sight in hangers where they could stay in the tunnels, safe from bombardment, but also away from any means of the enemy to count them or know where large numbers of my combat troops have been staged. It would even give me some ability for secretive logistical movements to support offensive or covert operations elsewhere.

When Andy said there was a Montauk Chair at Dobbins and Reptoids in tunnels there, I can see how many would poo-poo this allegation because Dobbins AFB is known best as an obscure Reservist training base for weekend warriors of all four branches. It has not been an active duty front line base since 1945. It is strictly a second or third tier military asset.

As for the Lockheed GA plant, until the F22 started being built here just a few years ago, it built only cargo/transport planes here, mainly the C130's. There was simply nothing of any real importance going on at Dobbins when Andy said he was there. It was an obscure base to pick if one was making up a story.

But to me, Dobbins would have always been an excellent location to conceal all sorts of things in plain sight because of the fairly large scale mundane operations that go on there that are excellent cover for lots of activity that might otherwise draw attention.

Here is a map link to Dobbins:
Google Maps

The B1 Lockheed main assembly building is in the upper left corner. The Air Reserve is in the upper right corner of the base, above the runways. The Naval Air Reserve is on the left end under the runway. The cluster of buildings that require a security clearance are south of about the center of the runway. That is where I believe the chair would have been, if there was a chair there.

I read Andy's Project Superman many years ago. I don't recall why exactly I thought it was the "Marietta Lanes" that he bowled at, but I remember it was that bowling alley that I was pretty sure he was talking about.

Google street view:
Google Maps

Home page:
Marietta Lanes Bowling Center - Marietta, GA - AMF Bowling

The Marietta Lanes are just north of Dobbins and just south of "The Big Chicken".
Big Chicken - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am very open minded, but still skeptical of many aspects of Andy's story. I don't know how much of it is solid fact, how much of it is exaggerated or even how much of it is implanted or otherwise false memories. But this much I know, I was born here and have lived my 45 years in this area. I know it well. If Andy completely fabricated Project Superman, he is a genius. He got every single circumstantial detail dead on correct for the time he says he spent here in Marietta (an Atlanta suburb), and all of the really crazy stuff like the underground base, the chair and the reptoids he placed at the ONLY possible location they could even remotely exist at for several hundred miles in any direction. Purely coincidence? What are the odds of that?

And another weird co-inky-dink... Al Bielek used to live a few miles from here in Austell GA. I think he moved to Florida a few years ago after he suffered a stroke. But at the time Andy said he was in Marietta, Al was living a couple of towns over in Austell. And no, I have never met Al, but I know where he used to live.

I have found out some second handed info that Andy apparently traveled around the world not long after he went public with his story. I think he may have even visited Tibet. At some point he apparently ran out of money and returned home broke. His parents apparently did not give him money when he asked so it seems he may have taken some of their money or property. It was apparently his parents that charged him with some degree of assault and stealing or robbery. Whatever happened, Andy was convicted and sentenced to a prison term. He came up for parole in late 2008 but was denied and his next opportunity isn't until 2011. I do not know what prison he is in or any other information about him. I too have never met him and probably never will.

If I could tell Andy anything, it would be that the only serious mistake he made was being anything less than kind, loving, understanding and forgiving of his own family. I know he was talking about his mom being used under government control to control him. But if this was so, he still must always look beyond that and know his mother and father would never deliberately do anything to harm him. To resent his parents and mistreat them or any close family is simply failing the basic humanity test.

In Andy's defense, no matter what really happened to him, and obviously SOMETHING happened to him, it is Andy that must come to terms with it and stop the cycle of violence.

[Prattley]

Glad to find some more people talking about this! I read the Andy Pero last summer and was absolutely fascinated by it. As others have said, certain elements make me question its credibility, but so much of it just seems to ring with truth.

I was so fascinated by the story that it actually became an inspiration for a music video that my band made. Check it out here: YouTube - The Horseshoe Spatulas - Room 108

I've also been very curious as to whether anyone has been able to verify what Andy said about the Howard Stern show in his story.... I mean, if that episode actually happened, and people remember it, it would be a good indication that there really is some truth to the story...

[liamona]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Or maybe it's just the bias to want to believe that the government is evil that produces the feeling that there is some element of truth.

The whole government isn't evil, but there certainly are documented cases of mind control experiments by the CIA—for instance, Project MKULTRA.

This was an ambitious project to find out wonderfully humane things like how to use hypnosis to cause anxiety, what substances could cause illogical thinking and impulsiveness so that the person exhibiting them could be publicly discredited, surreptitious methods of producing shock and confusion over a long period of time, etc. etc.

Never mind similarly humane studies done with government knowledge and/or approval, like the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.

As for Andy Pero's memory lapses, this reminds me of someone I know who is a real genius, and worked with the military. It's probably coincidence, but he used to always joke about how his first memories only go back to high school! He doesn't remember anything beyond the age of 15.

[shakra]

Originally Posted by liamona

The whole government isn't evil, but there certainly are documented cases of mind control experiments by the CIA—for instance, Project MKULTRA.

This was an ambitious project to find out wonderfully humane things like how to use hypnosis to cause anxiety, what substances could cause illogical thinking and impulsiveness so that the person exhibiting them could be publicly discredited, surreptitious methods of producing shock and confusion over a long period of time, etc. etc.

Never mind similarly humane studies done with government knowledge and/or approval, like the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.

As for Andy Pero's memory lapses, this reminds me of someone I know who is a real genius, and worked with the military. It's probably coincidence, but he used to always joke about how his first memories only go back to high school! He doesn't remember anything beyond the age of 15.

I've never heard of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.. but will have a look.. thanks!


I think the rabbit hole goes a lot deeper than a lot of people wish to accept... and that is one of the reasons that the information is discredited, disbelieved and in general, dismissed.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by shakra

I think the rabbit hole goes a lot deeper than a lot of people wish to accept... and that is one of the reasons that the information is discredited, disbelieved and in general, dismissed.

I think you're right—it's far easier for most people to take the blue pill and keep their head in the sand.

[trf5150]

I've become fasinated with Andy and believe to some extent some of his story. It's just so unbelievable, but then again, how are we suppose to understand stuff that is like magic to us? I've found out where he is and wrote him a letter. Part of me thinks I might get a reply and another side thinks he might just want to be left alone. We'll see. I'll update.

[liamona]

Originally Posted by trf5150

I've found out where he is and wrote him a letter. Part of me thinks I might get a reply and another side thinks he might just want to be left alone. We'll see. I'll update.

Please do!