Andy Pero, Montauk and "The Superman Project"

[francisco]

I'm another that's only logged on here because I got interested in the Pero story. This thread actually is imho, the most comprehensive coverage of Mr. Pero.

I have no idea about what might have happened in Mr. Pero's past to cause his break from reality. But I think he has. And, I'm not here just to troll. I was spurred to post because some folks here are in some respects "egging" Mr. Pero on.

I'm sure no matter what I say I'll be accused of being a reptilian disinfo handler illuminatus evil overlord. But I do have experience with family members who exhibit schizophrenic behavior.

Reading Mr. Pero's letters to Mr. Frickes and to the writer at Rolling Stone has convinced me that he needs help. Now that he's out, egging him on in his quest to takedown his old "handlers" is a dangerous game.

Here's the appeal of his case in NJ. The facts are fairly common for a schizophrenic outburst. STATE OF NEW JERSEY, Plaintiff-Respondent, v. MICHAEL A. PERO, III,

Also, the "white pele" was Zico. He did play in the 82 World Cup, for Brazil. Brazil lost to Italy in the 2nd rd. Zico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's a link to the 1982 England World Cup Team roster: 1982 FIFA World Cup squads - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia No pero or other assumed name on this list.

Now whether or not Mr. Pero ever did jump out of planes, or otherwise undergo satanic ritual abuse, or have implants in his lips and feet. (Which btw, there are no scars on his current mug shot found elsewhere in this thread). I dunno.

That he's now broken from reality in many ways, I think that's likely from the evidence.

And what worries me is the safety of some poor civillian who happens to trip Pero's "handler" trigger.

Not much I can do about it in the long run. But if I can pipe up and get some wanna be conspiracy merchant to stop pimping the mentally disturbed person who is now on the loose with no money, no job and no guards around him ...

Then I'll sleep better.

There's a facebook fanpage for Mr. Pero. There are all types of also rans like Casbolt floating around. Lot's of folks feeding their fancies off of Mr. Pero.

BTW, Mr. James Casbolt is a guy who had the power to "manifest" things out of thin air. Sort of like the rest of his story. Google him along with "Manifesting" also here's a conversation: James Casbolt Website (S.A.A.L.M Info)


In light of the Loughner incident, I felt moved to shed my normal lurking.

I'm going back to lurking now. Nothing else to say. Just stop pimping Mr. Pero before he pops a cork.

[francisco]

For a taste of conspiratopia, Casbolt style ...

Try this one: webanarchy.net • View topic - James Casbolt -

Or this one to: This is the remote viewing technique that was taught to me by the intelligence commuinity



Now I'm bak 2 lurking.

[francisco]

Here's Pero's latest. At least I think it's his.

Bush Assassin Prison Identity Cards: Overview.... Searching for an attorney... Being blocked by CIA, NWO...

Really. Now I'm leaving.

[arthur443]

Francisco,


You may not be an "agent" but you exhibit the type of mind-numbing ignorance very common in this thread.

Don't jump to the conclusion that he's mentally ill or schizophrenic.

Thats a weak explanation.

The only logical explanation is that most of his story is true.

THINK ABOUT IT

There are only 2 plausible explanations considering the possibility that his story is not true.

1) He is a very good liar.

NOT necessarily crazy,
Just unusually creative and deceptive. Determined to lie to everyone about his life.

(This explanation is unlikely. Who lies THAT MUCH about their life? )

2) He believes his story is true, but it's actually not true.

This would mean that he has a VAST amount of detailed and complex false memories.

( This explanation is HIGHLY UNLIKELY. No one has THAT MANY false memories.

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Wikipedia identifies Arthur Antunes Coimbra as "the white pele" ........ So what?

Who knows for sure about the 1982 world cup?.... According to Mr. Pero the history of it has been re-written.

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Apparently Olympic champions Jackie Joyner-Kersee and Evelyn Ashford can verify part of his story.

[francisco]

Art443 wrote:

"You may not be an "agent" but you exhibit the type of mind-numbing ignorance very common in this thread."

and:

"The only logical explanation is that most of his story is true."

Lol, Art, THAT is the most mind-numbingly ignorant thing I've read in this thread.

Read up on schizophrenia Art. My brother suffers from it. It is particularly frustrating when the victim is high-functioning. The mind mis-connects reality and it comes out all jumbled.

If Mr. Pero suffers from schizophrenia, it could be quite easy for him to conflate the soccer issue and insert himself into it. Note how he didn't "recover" this memory until he was already in prison. No 12 year old is going to play World Cup Soccer. They're physically too small.

But, I gotta wonder, what's your dog in the fight? Why do you want it to be true so badly, that you make ad hominem attacks on folks who think differently? My "dog" is I think Pero's a potential powder keg to anyone he's around. Just my opinion, but I do have experience in handling schizophrenics and penitentiary inmates. Egging this guy on is almost asking for injured or dead innocent people that Superman thinks are Reptilian Illuminati handlers.

Read the appeals transcript. (Unless you think that the illuminati overlord control extends all the way down to the average beat cop in NJ. Which if it did would mean that they should be easy to overcome, since the lizardpeople would be f'ing idiots to rely on such.)

Also, what hasn't really come out is why he was stopped in Stamford. It was because he did basically the same thing to his dad in Connecticut as he did to his mom in NJ. He attacked his old man because, says Superman, he thought Michael Jr. was also a planted handler. According to Pero's hometown paper, "Once inside, the suspect allegedly terrorized 58-year-old Michael Pero Jr. with a knife, forcing him to hand over $100. [According to Police] 'We got a call from his stepmother saying that [Pero] was holding [them hostage.]'" RAMSEY FUGITIVE ARRESTED IN CONNECTICUT, Paulo Lima, The Record (Bergen County, NJ) (Feb. 24, 2000). RAMSEY FUGITIVE ARRESTED IN CONNECTICUT - The Record (Bergen County, NJ) | HighBeam Research

C'mon. The reptillian Illuminati stole his whole family and replaced them with exact replicas?

That's a Steven Wright joke. Plus why spend all that money on a Superman who's lost his powers?

Even if, Pero could withstand a .45 to the head at close range, why not just drop him into a pulp mill, or the cement foundation of the next large building, ala Jimmy Hoffa? Drop him in a vat of acid? Many many ways to overcome his hypothetical hypnotically induced superpowers.

And wouldn't it be so much cheaper and more convenient for the Illuminati to just off Pero, than continually have to deal with the "leaks" in his memory cap?

Sure. So why haven't they? Because? Well, likely it's because, unfortunately for whatever makes you want to "believe", Art, none of the exciting stuff in Mr. Pero's story happened. No matter how dramatic it may appear. And, your sympathies, if that's what they are, are misplaced.

Mr. Pero is sad. But not because of what the evil "THEM" did to him. But because we as a country ignore the plight of the mentally ill. Mr. Pero is now living in a homeless shelter, largely because the prison quacks wouldn't properly diagnose him. Why wouldn't they? Because it's a lot of extra expense and problems when you have a diagnosed schizophrenic prisoner on your hands. Plus, everybody in prison wants a psych. You get meds. You get different treatment. It breaks up the monotony. You get meds.

Of course, if it isn't sympathy, and you're just joyriding Pero's conspiracy delusion; would you want to be civilly and potentially criminally responsible for pimping a mentally disabled person who then get's his payback from some innocent kid whom Superman mistakes for an alien gray?

How about just morally?

... be my guest.

Personally I don't want any more loughners.

cheers.

[francisco]

Which "facts" of Mr. Pero's story do you think are true?

Art443, or Mr. Frickes, howaboutit?

Do you believe he jumped out of an airplane without a chute?

Do you believe he took a .45 headshot at close range?

Do you believe he played in the World Cup in '82?

Do you believe he was jetting off to exotic locations and assassinating foreign targets for the govt.?

Do you believe he came back from the dead after his skydive, or after his "forced attempt" at breathing underwater?

What exactly do you believe about Mr. Pero's story that makes you think there must be something to it?

I have read quite a bit of waffling to the extent that it appears you may not believe Mr. Pero's story, but you believe he was somehow mind-controlled.

Why? Without his "facts" you don't have a story.

Exceptional claims require exceptional proof. Why do you assume his parents are illuminati reptilian handlers if you don't believe he jumped out of an airplane and "bounced" 100 ft or so into the air? Why won't you instead look at the potential reality that an unmedicated delusional man in the midst of a fugue state accosted his 58-year-old mother at knife-point, drained her checking account and blew town; then attempted the same crime against his father in Stamford, CT.?

And, if you don't believe the facts as Superman laid them out, then why do you "support" him in his quest to seek revenge against his controllers?

Either he's a milab, or not.

Either you're supporting a victim of mind control or you're egging on a delusional man who needs help before he kills someone.

What's it gonna be boys? Yes or no?

cheers.

[arthur443]

I know its controversial
but as I said IMO the only logical explanation is that MOST of his story is true.

By this I mean the general outline of events as described in his autobiography-- the recurring government-sponsored torture sessions and experiments... etc

This theme in his story closely parallels the bio's of other mk-ultra victims such as Bryce Taylor, Kathleen Sullivan ... etc.

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I can't pass judgement on any of the "facts" you mentioned. Who's to say what is or isn't possible?

I wasn't there.

+++ remember the story has been "twisted with dis-info" according to Mr. Pero.

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The majority of the story in my opinion is too real and does not seem entirely fabricated out of thin air...

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I do however believe in the possibility of false memories.
According to Thomas Edwin Castello false memories can be implanted in abduction victims with such clarity that the victim would want to fight you for saying it wasn't true.

See also Karla Turner's material.

This type of false memories are allegedly implanted during "milab"- type experiences...

...so if Andy has this type of false memory than his situation is already on the sticky side and can't be written off as simply "schizophrenia"

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As for a 13 year old being too small to play in the world cup..
Thats not the most unbelievable part of the story,
I have known 15 year-olds that look like they're 25

Remember he said he was the "big kid" in his class.

[francisco]

Art sez: "The majority of the story in my opinion is too real and does not seem entirely fabricated out of thin air..."


Which part?

The jumping out of airplanes without a chute?

The Illuminati erasing all remnant of the results of the 82 World Cup?

The Illuminati buying him from the Queen of England?

The drinking of 50g of cyanide?

Surviving a close-range .45 head-shot?

Resurrecting from drowning?

His mother and father are Illuminati goon handlers?

The exotic govt. assassinations?

The affair with Flo Jo?

The implants in his lips and the soles of his feet that he dug out of his body? Without a trace of a scar on his face?

Dunno. If all those facts are the ones that you want me to remember have been twisted by masters of disinfo ...

Then Art, what "facts" of this story are left? Oh yeah the electro-shock abuse. That the lizard-minions inserted fake memories after they shocked the **** out of him.

Why do you find that so much more believable than the fact that Pero has had a psychotic break, and that likely with help could come to some semblance of a planet Earth life?

You can't say it that you believe any of the Super Soldier story, can you?

But yet you want to champion him that he was an abused mind-controlled Montauk boy.

Do you believe he stole $2000.00 at knifepoint from his 58-year-old mother? Do you think she "had it coming" to her for praying to Satan and ritually abusing him? You think his dad needed to be attacked as payback for all the "torture" Superman endured at the hands of "Adolph"?

Or, if you won't go out on the limb, and say you believe Pero was tortured by a short old Nazi on the second floor of the library at Rochester U, where he was turned into a Super Soldier, executed foreign leaders, and then survived 2 extremely prejudicial terminations, why do you not find him delusional? Or pathological.

Either he's lying or he's delusional or he's Jason Bourne.

Which one Art? Do you really think his senior citizen parents deserved the "payback?"

Would you let Pero babysit your kids?

[arthur443]

If you outright deny the possibility of any of his story being true than you must at least give him credit for being an exceptional fiction writer.....

But wait!! ......
*He's more than a fiction writer because he stands behind his story being true... As evidenced in court by the things he said to his mother.

... Which leaves us with the conclusion that he's extremely delusional.....

.... Delusional to the point of having a LIFETIME of false memories.!!!!

...... DETAILED false memories that paint an intricate picture of shadow government that can only be compared to the writings of Cathy O'brien, Brice Taylor, and Kathleen Sullivan.

Certainly an interesting case of "schizophrenia". **

[francisco]

Originally Posted by arthur443

If you outright deny the possibility of any of his story being true than you must at least give him credit for being an exceptional fiction writer.....<SNIP>
Certainly an interesting case of "schizophrenia". **

That we agree on. Most of them are. However, if you really parse the story, you'll find some problems with "omniscient" narration.

Like when he narrates things that happened while he was unconcious. Like in the airplane jump he gives details that he couldn't give if he were really the experiencer. It's one of the signs of a schizophrenic story. They can be great fiction, but they aren't coherent witness statements, as they give details which if that person were truly experiencing the claimed event, their experience couldn't include.

The story is told from the viewpoint of an omniscient witness, who sees all. That only can happen in fiction. The devil's in the details. Cross-checking those details against each other usually will reveal the incoherencies.

Also, things in the story can be checked against known ground facts. That's how Casbolt's story among others can shown to be incoherent. (by incoherent, I don't mean rambling, but as in "doesn't hold together as a whole"-- ie doesn't cohere).

It's not whether or not something is possible. Almost anything as a single event is "possible." But, when the entire fabric is examined, do the collections of single events cohere?

Also, when one examines things always from the standpoint of "is it possible?", there's a large risk of getting lost down the rabbit-hole without bringing anything useful to practical reality.

Occam's razor comes in handy.

Examining Mr. Pero's story, one thing is always given short shrift. It's the economics of the situation. How much was money would have to be spent to surround Mr. Pero with vetted operatives who would never break cover for his entire life?

Probabilities are tricky things. Most people have an incorrect idea of what the odds of a situation happening truly are. It's what keeps the lotteries in business. People tend to think "someone has to win, it could be me."

Theoretically it could be. But, realistically, it won't be. Now, in gambling, you take the chance. Because, yes, it might be.

However it's completely fallacious to apply gambling logic to the analysis of someone's supposed story. By only giving credence to the outlier probabilities, you wind up with a twisted picture of reality.

Would you volunteer to get shot in the head by a rifle? Well, there have been folks who've survived. Would you jump off of a 4-story building? People have survived greater falls.

Just not very often.

So, when you look through Mr. Pero's stories (because they change), you find improbability stacked upon improbability. Plus, none of the known ground-truth that's potentially able to be collected has been.

For example, the interviewing of some of his frat brothers to find out if there are any other evidence that would show Mr. Pero was at a DKE party when he supposedly was jetting around the world. It would be interesting to see if anyone from his growing up years happens to have photos or other evidence of Mr. Pero's whereabout in 1982, when he thinks he was scoring a hat-trick, and winning the game, as the youngest player to have ever played World Cup Soccer. BTW, here Pero has his cake and eats it too. First he says he had to lie about his age, but then he wants the reader to ask soccer fans about their memories of some underage player scoring a hat-trick. Well if he lied about his age, then no one would know would they? The youngest player on record, of course we can't believe any records but still, is a 17-year-old who played for Northern Ireland. Also, he conveniently has recovered no memory of the scout from England that changed his life by whisking him away to soccer stardom.

If there's any part of this story that I think is interesting from a standpoint of makes you go "hmmmm" ... It's when he speaks of the guy in Atlanta that was into hypnosis, when he recovered his memories. If Mr. Pero was engaging in a few substances, and his "buddy" was playing Sorcerer's Apprentice with Pero, then you might have some implanted memories.

But it wouldn't be from the illuminati, it would be from a guy that read too much Milton Erickson & NLP speed seduction that then was f***ing around with Pero's mind after he mickeyed him. But even that's a stretch.

Still tho, you don't say any specific fact given in the lengthy writings of Pero that you will state you believe actually occurred.

Beyond the nebulous circular argument that no one can prove Pero wasn't abducted and mind controlled, what stated fact of Pero's would you state publicly that you believe.

Do you believe his parents were planted handlers who turned their young son over to be horrifically abuse and mind controlled?

Do you believe he was sent on assassination missions while attending college?

Do you believe he played in the World Cup? If so, then you must also believe that TPTB also bought him back from the Queen of England, and then scoured and continue to scour all references of the 1982 World Cup to change the brackets to make England not advance, show Brazil losing to Italy, and Italy winning against Germany.

If you don't believe any of those things, then why would you think it's more likely that Mr. Pero is the victim of implanted memories over the potential that he has an out of whack dopamine system that was maybe given a push over the edge by some recreational drug use.

Meth can cause psychotic breaks. But even if there's no drug use, Schizophrenia can just "come on" in a person. Usually between puberty and mid twenties. Interestingly, if it hasn't manifested by late twenties, it almost never happens to a person later in life.

So, again ... What part of Pero's story do you actually believe that causes you to conclude he was ritually abused? Because while we debate this, there's a good chance he's reading this. So, while all of his "believers" egg him on, he's likely believing that he's being monitored and handled.

So what happens when he gets a flash that the little old lady volunteer at the mission he's staying at looks a little reptilian and is poisoning his eggs? Does he "defend" himself?

If you think you actually care about Mr. Pero, then you have to ask yourself some hard questions. Otherwise you're joyriding his story from the relatively safe seat in front of your computer. You're likely not going to have to either experience Mr. Pero's wrath, nor are you going to experience Mr. Pero's incarceration from such a move.

Of course if when he jumps across the chow line, he grabs hold of the humanoid latex mask that the reptilian assassin is wearing, and manages to peel it off in public revealing a hideous alien Illuminati, then you'll be vindicated.

But the MIB's will just sweep in an clean the whole thing up so we'll never know.

It's not a TV show Art. This guy was just released from prison for attacking his Mom & Dad because he believed they were his handlers. Really.

If the illuminati wanted Pero out of the way, why let him out? Why would the court of appeals actually rule a little bit in his favor and cause his sentence to be shortened?

The Sun just might explode before I get up tomorrow morning. But, I'll still set my alarm to get up and go to work.

cheers

[trf5150]

My thoughts on Mike Pero are posted here. I no longer have the time or energy to research Mike's story or defend myself. I'm not saying I'm defending myself to you... But to this blog in general. I'm the "Bad Guy" remember? If you'd read all of this, I'm suppose to be a "Handler".

And I have said here that I'm sure that's how it looked to Mike. Because I told him I didn't feel confortable contacting Flo-Jo's relatives. He got angry at me because according to him, these people know him and can verify his story.

There is more to it, I'm sure I posted it here. So, anyway... I appreciate your comments..

[francisco]

An earlier post of a recent-ish letter of Peros. The link to the full unabridged is at the end. I haven't added anything nor changed anything just cut for time.

Originally Posted by trf5150

More from the same letter...

<snip>

Let’s start with some important points…..

I am the person who as a 13 year old boy got recruited in 1982 to play professional club football in England. I had lied about my age, (told everyone that I was 16 years old), and ran away from home here in America to play professional football in England.

<snip>
What REALLY HAPPENED was that some time after the World cup was over and the team went back to England. I was taken one night by the C.I.A. and MI5 (or MI6) and I was tortured! I was given electric shock, brainwashed, and tortured until I was a mentally invalid vegetable. I had my mind broken by classic Trauma Based Mind Control techniques (Mk-Ultra), used in satanic rituals and had unbelievable horrors done to me.

<snip>

Some type of “deal” was struck between the C.I.A. and English Monarchy. This arrangement between the two governments resulted in the Queen of England arraigning to have the 1982 World Cup England v. Italy Semi-final game thrown so England would lose, in exchange she was to receive some type of cash payment for turning me over to the C.I.A.

<snip>

Then I disappeared from the public view for 25 years.

So, for the next 20 years I had walking amnesia and didn’t even know it. I couldn’t remember anything until 1999 when the brainwashing finally stared to wear off. (See enclosed letters) It was at this point when I realized that something was very wrong and that my entire life was one big lie and fabrication. All constructed and maintained under the strictest control of the New World Order and C.I.A.

When I was living in Atlanta from 1992-98’ they were using me for secret black ops. (as well as many other things) <snip>

My programming began to leak until it finally broke.

They kept on ****ing with both of us trying to play everyone off each other.

And as a result…..

I’M GOING TO BUTCHER THEM ALL!!!!

NOW THAT ALL I EVER CARED ABOUT IS LONG GONE…..

I’M GOING TO GO AFTER ALL THE BLOOD LINES!!!!....

STARTING AT THE TOP!!!!...

AND WE ARE GOING TO SEE JUST HOW FUNNY THEY THINK THAT IS!!!! I’M GOING TO TAKE ALL THEY HAVE WHICH IS PRECIOUS TO THEM…

THEY WILL BEG FOR MERCY AND BEG FOR DEATH! BEG ME TO KILL THEM TO BURN IN HELL ONCE I’M THROUGH WITH THEM!!!

THEY WANT TO **** WITH ME!!!...

THINK IT’S FUNNY TO DO THE THINGS THEY DID….

THEY ARE GOING TO WISH THEY WERE NEVER EVEN BORN!!!

AND THERE IS NO PLACE IN THIS OR ANY UNIVERSE THEY CAN HIDE FROM ME!!! AND THEIR SOULS WILL BE GONE FOREVER!!!!

YOU THINK THAT’S FUNNY….

I’LL SHOW YOU FUNNY…. MOTHER****ERS!!!!

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Sounds demented and sad. Yet quite believably potentially physically dangerous. And if it's not demented and sad, then it's pathological yet not particularly well-written.

Here's the unabridged edition:

Andy Pero, Montauk and "The Superman Project"

[arthur443]

If you haven't been repeatedly tortured your whole life then don't judge him for writing in capitals.

That was one paragraph (out of many pages) where he shares with us a little bit of his feelings for his handlers.

I think it's appropriate given the overall story.

Maybe you'd rather see him thank them for their kindess and voluntarily get electro-shocked one more time.

[arthur443]

In regards to your recent posts,

I haven't drawn any conclusions as to what exactly is or isn't true about his story.

However ritual abuse and government mind control is a well documented phenomenon and the general outline of his bio is eerily similiar to the testimony of other victims.

And yes, Mk-ultra parenting is part of the process.

Have you read the other stories?
...
This isn't just a meth-induced psychotic break.

This guy wrote 80 pages of detailed memories.

IMO the narraration is generally coherent.

[arthur443]

The "flaw" you pointed out in the narraration I assume is when he's on the ground after the night jump and he describes "floating" above and visualizing his injured body.

Correct me if im wrong but is this "visualization" not uncommon in near death experiences?

He then says "everything went black" and in the next sentence describes hearing voices talk about him being dead even though one of them saw him move.

I hope you know it's possible to hear things even if you're unconcious.
Did you hear that alarm clock this morning?

Is that the only "flaw" you speak of?

Either way the story is remarkably comprehensive and detailed considering it's all "delusion".

[francisco]

Originally Posted by arthur443

...

Is that the only "flaw" you speak of?

Either way the story is remarkably comprehensive and detailed considering it's all "delusion".

So, by that I assume you mean you believe that Michael Andrew Pero ...

Jumped out of an airplane without a chute, bounced into the air, and landed with only minor bumps and bruises. That he came back from the dead after drowning. That he withstood a .45 close-range headshot. That he was the youngest World Cup Soccer player ever, not only that but was instrumental in securing England the victory with his hat-trick. But the CIA (or somebody) covered it up, paid the Queen of England off, changed all records everywhere (and continues to do so) to reflect a different outcome of the tournament. That he was an international assassin who jetted in and out of foreign locations solo to off foreign targets (solo because he had a tendency to off his entire team otherwise.)

That both of his parents are illuminati planted handlers. That he is under constant surveillance from paid illuminati operatives. That his all-caps rant that is threatening bodily harm is just blowing off understandable steam.

Is that it Art?

You are saying you believe to be factually true that Michael Andrew Pero is a Satanic-ritually-abused-mind-controlled-hypnotically-superpowered-Montauk-manifesting-international-killing-machine who is under constant surveillance by agents of some government, is that not right?

Or is it that you don't really believe any of the "fact-containing" statements of Mr. Pero, except the part that he was electroshocked by the CIA; and that the abuse he received is responsible for the fake story as the story is just implanted memories?

[Andrew Brunelle]

Twice now I've tried to post about this after reading the whole thing, and both times was hours after I opened this window and both times I lost the whole thing because of some stupid forum thing where if you try to post on a page that has been idle for so long, it won't work. I think the main point I was trying to drive home was that it is very interesting information, and whether it is all true or not is of no consequence, because the government used this poor guy from a young age to carry out horrific acts and put him through so much mental and physical anguish that I could hardly bear to keep on reading. I forget how many times he died while reading this narrative, but it had to be at least 10. But he always came back to live using some Sylvan Method, which I hope they aren't teaching at Sylvan Learning Center, because then we'll have a bunch of little superheroes on our hands.

I was blown away, especially by the first four parts, and then the rest was good, but it wasn't as gripping, although some of it was. I'll tell you, I've heard of reptillians, and I've heard of government conspiracies for a One World Government, but this stuff was way out there, but I don't doubt that most of it was true. I guess it's not good to stand out so much like this poor guy did. At least now (I hope) he is free.

[arthur443]

Yea Andrew I'm with you on that.

Francisco,

Your questioning is a bit rhetorical.

There's a gray area between believing and not believing that something is true.

Is every detail of the story true?
I don't know.

Is every detail of the story false?
I don't believe so.

But yea I believe the general story is likely true, including bizarre and unusual phenomenon.

[arthur443]

This "autobiography" was my chronological journal when I first began to remember stuff, and I moved back from Atlanta... So it was just me trying to put all I could remember at the time down on paper to try to make some kind of sense of it all. As at the time you are running around like a chicken with no head. Then some of the stuff was spoon fed to me to spin it with disinformation.. and then posted on line by someone. So, now looking back many years later....There are a few things which need to be better explained and a few things which need to be added. So, that's a good overview... but far from the whole story... so take it with a grain of salt.

By the way… that stuff that you read that was posted online in October of 1999, was the journal that I began to write down when I had just popped the memory cap and I came back from Atlanta to New Jersey and was during all of those events which I previously outlined. However, once again, one... I have no idea who posted it on line (because it wasn’t me), and two… Much of that stuff was twisted into disinformation, spoon fed to me by Preston Nichols who wanted to write another book on the Montauk series, and again “Handle me”. So… much of that stuff has again been deliberately twisted and altered to cover the truth... As Preston Nichols, Eve Lorgan, Janet Russell, and the lot of them are all working for these mother****ers to control and confuse everyone.

[francisco]

Originally Posted by arthur443

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This "autobiography" was my chronological journal when I first began to remember stuff, and I moved back from Atlanta... So it was just me trying to put all I could remember at the time down on paper to try to make some kind of sense of it all. As at the time you are running around like a chicken with no head. Then some of the stuff was spoon fed to me to spin it with disinformation.. and then posted on line by someone. So, now looking back many years later....There are a few things which need to be better explained and a few things which need to be added. So, that's a good overview... but far from the whole story... so take it with a grain of salt.
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By the way… that stuff that you read that was posted online in October of 1999, was the journal that I began to write down when I had just popped the memory cap and I came back from Atlanta to New Jersey and was during all of those events which I previously outlined. However, once again, one... I have no idea who posted it on line (because it wasn’t me), and two… Much of that stuff was twisted into disinformation, spoon fed to me by Preston Nichols who wanted to write another book on the Montauk series, and again “Handle me”. So… much of that stuff has again been deliberately twisted and altered to cover the truth... As Preston Nichols, Eve Lorgan, Janet Russell, and the lot of them are all working for these mother****ers to control and confuse everyone.

Okay ... the quote I posted above is later in time than the information Mr. Pero is complaining about in that message. It was from a letter sent to TRF and separate from all of the Superman information.

Confined to those facts in that letter:

Do you believe the facts to be truthful as related in the story of Mr. Pero's 1982 World Cup Soccer episode?

Do you believe it to be a truthful fact that the Queen of England received money from the CIA in order for the CIA to engage in a disinformation campaign that changed the public record of the results of the 1982 World Cup Soccer tournament?

Do you believe it to be a truthful fact that Mr. Pero was nicknamed the White Pele' and was the youngest player in World Cup history when he scored a "hat trick" in a semifinals round match in the 1982 World Cup Soccer tournament while playing for the England national team?

We know you believe he was mind-controlled. But, to take the view that the above "facts" were inserted as false memories during the mind-control efforts directed against Mr. Pero, as related by Mr. Pero, then it begs the question of why one would believe the "fact" of mind-control, when one doesn't believe the other "facts" in the story.

It seems you're being highly selective in which facts of Mr. Pero's you want to believe.

Why is Mr. Pero's assertion that he was mind-controlled any more believable than the one where he says he was bought from the Queen of England by the CIA?

Seems to me, if Mr. Pero was mind-controlled by the CIA/ Illuminati it would be for a reason. And since it's expensive in terms of time as well as money, then it would be for a worthwhile reason. So why wouldn't he have been an international assassin, if he was mind-controlled. Seems like a waste to mind-control a young sales-guy just out of college for the purposes of observing him hide in his mother's basement for a few years, then to watch him hang-out in prison and make threats against his abductors. What a waste!

If you're going to mind-control someone, then it's much more likely you'd have them do something worth mind-controlling them for.

So, if you don't believe Pero was an assassin, World Cup Soccer Player, and impossible to kill with 50g of cyanide and a .45 to the head, why do you believe he was mind-controlled. You think they mind-controlled him just so he could pop a cork at 30 and hold-up his mom? Do you believe she was CIA?

Can you cite any statements made by Pero that you believe to be actual objective fact? Other than basic "of record information" like his name, addresses where he lived, his parent's names, etc.

Do you believe that there was a trust account which was full of money due to his soccer career (that lasted for one World Cup Tournament) that was then appropriated by his father? Or that his parents were CIA handlers?

Or is the only thing you feel comfortable saying is that you believe he was abused and mind-controlled? If so, then who could have been the perpetrators of this abuse and mind control against Mr. Pero, in your mind?

Why is it more likely that the CIA mind-controlled Pero, than that Pero is a high-functioning schizophrenic with delusions of persecution and could be a danger to himself and those around him; but with a script for proper medication could lead an entirely happier existence than his current homeless state?

You have all of this sympathy for the victim, which you assume to be Mr. Pero. What if there is no mind-control. Do you then have any sympathy for a 58-year-old mother's emotional devastation at being attacked at knife-point by her "little-boy" whom she gave birth to? Imagine if you will a twilight zone where there's no illuminati mind-control of Mr. Pero, a place where he suffers from mental illness including delusions that cause him to fear for his physical safety which stem from false-beliefs that innocent people are out to harm him. Would you feel sympathy for an innocent person who's been falsely attacked by Pero, although he subjectively perceves his victim to be intending him harm?

You said you find my questions rhetorical. They're not. As I said previously, I think supporting Mr. Pero's beliefs that he's a mind-controlled milab is potentially dangerous to the innocent folks around him, ala Loughner. That it's easily likely that Pero is reading this board, and that all the fanboys who uncritically accept at face value that he's a victim are doing him a disservice, as well as increasing the odds that a violent situation might erupt. The fact is, he's only recently been released from prison after a long time away. I have little doubt that Mr. Pero believes the things he writes. I cannot find a shred of reasonable evidence that might suggest MILAB, and a mountain that points to an organic brain disorder.

And all the Conspiracy hangers-on are like people watching the suicidal guy at the top of the bridge and yelling "jump".

From Schizophrenia.com:


"Understanding and responding to symptoms of schizophrenia
The following by Merrell Dow explains the various symptoms someone with schizophrenia may have & how best to respond.

Delusions

Delusions are false beliefs or misinterpretations of events & their significance. For instance, a person may get accidentally bumped in the subway & may conclude that this is a Government plot to harass him. He may be awakened by noise from his neighbors apartment & may decide this is a deliberate attempt to interrupt his sleep. Everyone tends to personalize & misinterpret events, especially during times of stress or fatigue. What is characteristic of the schizophrenic however, especially during an acute period, is that the conviction is fixed & alternate explanations for the events experienced are not even considered. Usually attempts at reasoning or discussion about possible other meanings of the bumping or the noise in the night can only lead to the further conviction that the reasoner must be in on the plot, too. Arguing with a delusion only leads to further mistrust or anger. The beliefs are tenaciously held, against all reason, & they are characteristically not shared beliefs. They are held only by the person himself & by no one else."

Schizophrenia.com, paranoid schizophrenia - Schizophrenia positive symptoms; understanding hallucinations and delusions

[francisco]

Looks like Pero's latest case was dismissed yesterday (2/1) for failure to prosecute. It means Pero didn't update the court with his address since leaving prison. He's got some period of time to refile it and go ahead with his lawsuit, so it's not an Illuminati interference. It's just forgot a filing he was supposed to file.

PERO v. DUFFY et al Document 8 - :: Justia Docs

[arthur443]

Lol

The paragraph on delusion is about wrongly blaming people for certain misfortunes.

That's 100% different that false memories.

Please explain how someone could falsely remember (in detail) various military abductions, torture sessions, and experiments..?!!

[francisco]

Originally Posted by arthur443

Lol

The paragraph on delusion is about wrongly blaming people for certain misfortunes.

That's 100% different that false memories.

Please explain how someone could falsely remember (in detail) various military abductions, torture sessions, and experiments..?!!

So, do you believe Pero's stories about playing for England in the 1982 World Cup, and all of his govt. assassin related stories to be false memories?

[arthur443]

I have no set-in-stone beliefs on this.

Both memories are very interesting and they fit with the rest of the story.

In the autobiography he describes using the silva method when he was younger to focus on his soccer abilities which he then uses to become the best soccer player in his school.

Later he has significant memories of hyper-military training and experiments which lead to their use of him in other military black ops.

The story IS cohesive.

False memories of this kind are no simple case of schizophrenia.

It's not like he watched "bourne identity" and misinterpreted himself to be the main character.

His story is much different and more comprehensive than any of those movies !!

And he's not a conspiracy-fiction writer because he is documenting memories.

[Andrew Gubb]

^People actually look for oppressors. They need people to tell them what to do because they are uncomfortable with a sense of responsibility.

Regarding the OP, I skimmed it and somehow it didn't have the mark of truth on it. It sounded like somewhat amateur fiction.

Not saying incredibly freaky stuff can't happen, but it just doesn't seem to fit in this case.

[arthur443]

Thanks for clearing that up for me. NOW I CAN GO BACK TO SLEEP WITH THAT WARM AND FUZZY MIND-NUMBING IGNORANCE IS BLISS FEELING THAT THE STORY IS NOT REAL AND JUST "AMATEUR FICTION"

[Pedagoog]

I just registered here because of Andy Pero and his amazing story...
Jeeh, so i wanted to ask whats up with this guy now? where is he now? Somebody has a contact with him?
The thing that dont get me is that people who have revealed secrets like Schneider, and the author of The Body Snatchers - Jeannie Gospell(drowned 2009) are murdered... but Andy has somehow still with us..

Secondly, here was something about this canadian prison guard dog thing, that killed 2 year old girl, and it suppoused to be effing famous story, so if somebody has somekind online information then please post here.