Russia and China

[ProjectX]

Does anyone think the West really screwed up here?

18 years ago; Berlin wall and USSR collapses. The West and its media goes hurray "The whole world can be happy and be friends. We, the good guys have prevailed!"
Little do they know that the military industrial complex don't want a happy world.
...So 18 years later, the world still has wars, poverty and injustice is on the rise.
Russia has been humiliated by the West instead of being embraced and now they're pissed off. So now fervor for nationalism is rising the like of which has not been seen since the Cold War and Germany 1936.

All the while China is looking and saying, "Oh ****. If we become a democracy we will most likely become the West's slave. We better not make that mistake."
Not to mention the recent Free-Tibet fever and the patronization of the Chinese people by the West and it's media has made them rally around the communist party making it even more stronger.

[Brutha]

...So 18 years later, the world still has wars, poverty and injustice is on the rise.

Relative poverty isn't on the rise. There are now much more people who aren't poor than they were 20 years ago. We just don't succeed in halving the number of poor people in the world.
I also don't think that injustice rises.

Not to mention the recent Free-Tibet fever and the patronization of the Chinese people by the West and it's media has made them rally around the communist party making it even more stronger.

While not everything that happens in China is good, Chinas government officals are far better today than in Maos time and they intent to work on increasing the power of the law and reducing corruption.
There is even talk about letting small towers elect their own mayors.

The West and its media goes hurray "The whole world can be happy and be friends.

The US is friends which China, just look where all your products come from.

[missing]

Originally Posted by Brutha

The US is friends which China, just look where all your products come from.

It's gotta put some strain on the relationship though, when you owe your friend trillions of dollars. Just a little...

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by missing

It's gotta put some strain on the relationship though, when you owe your friend trillions of dollars. Just a little...

Well all these countries which crying out for free tibet are now suddenly silent because they are now asking China to bail them out.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Relative poverty isn't on the rise. There are now much more people who aren't poor than they were 20 years ago. We just don't succeed in halving the number of poor people in the world.
I also don't think that injustice rises.
While not everything that happens in China is good, China's government officals are far better today than in Maos time and they intent to work on increasing the power of the law and reducing corruption.
There is even talk about letting small towers elect their own mayors.

The US is friends which China, just look where all your products come from.

The Chinese government are pragmatics albeit ruthless sometimes and corrupt. But they not the tyrannical racist communist all these people in the west say it to be probably because none of them have ever been to China. The living standard has dramatically improved under the communist government.
The government probably realizes that economic reform must come before any political reform.


What is surprising to me is that America hasn't been as loud about the Tibet Free movement and quite supporting of China during the Olympics. Most of the dissent came from Europe.

[Liveformx64]

China needs us, as much as we need them. That relationship won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

I think it is obvious by China's shift in the last 12-20 years that they want to include themselves in the worlds political scene. You cannot survive as a nation by yourself anymore, China understands this and has acted accordingly.

[Brutha]

The Chinese government are pragmatics albeit ruthless sometimes and corrupt. But they not the tyrannical racist communist all these people in the west say it to be probably because none of them have ever been to China.

Exactly and that's a huge improvement for China.
The Culture Revolution was an event created by really tyrannical leaders and China has now better leaders.

You don't create a free society over one or two decades. Those things need time.

Chinas leaders want to follow Singapores model as far as corruption goes and fight it. If you see corruption as one of the main challenges of China, they are working on fixing that challenge.

It's gotta put some strain on the relationship though, when you owe your friend trillions of dollars. Just a little...

As far as China is concerned the time since 1990 went brilliantly with 7-13% growth each year.
China wanted to export more than they import and that plan worked for them.

There some people in the US who don't like that fact, but since the US needs Chinas money the relationship continues.

What is surprising to me is that America hasn't been as loud about the Tibet Free movement and quite supporting of China during the Olympics.

Why does it surprise you?