Attack against McCain supporter

[jeff3]

Interesting news from the Kumbaya party

Woman Attacked, Letter Scratched Into Her Face - Pittsburgh News Story - WTAE Pittsburgh

[Dan.Linehan]

Yep.

She was held down and a letter was neatly scratched, despite her struggling, backwards, almost like it was in a mirror, all without appearing on any of the bank cameras, and without any visit to the hospital.

Not... shady at all.


Not like there is any right or wrong here!

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

Yep.

She was held down and a letter was neatly scratched despite her struggling, backwards, almost like it was in a mirror, all without appearing on any of the bank cameras, and without any visit to the hospital.

Not... shady at all.


Not like there is any right or wrong here!

He was standing over her head,which would invert the letter, and yeah I'm sure she was asking for it, being a 20 year old white women having the nerve to go to an ATM after dark. I'm sure they faked the black eyes too.

I did not put signs up or stickers on my auto this year because of the reports of vandalism in my city to McCain supporters property. I'm guessing it's African American hoodlums just using it as an excuse to do what they do, but in another forum I frequent that is about 90% red there are a lot of reports of keyed cars and signs smashed in yards, plus the occasion rock through the window as well as very aggressive door to door campaigners. Hope and change, yeah right.

[jeff3]

Obama supporter strikes again

Manhattan McCain Supporter Attacked | Political Vindication

[jeff3]

Not again

Middle Aged Female McCain Supporter Attacked in My Neighborhood « Trust, But Verify

Hope & change

[Dan.Linehan]

Black eyes don't look like hers Jeff. Black eyes puff up. It's a sub-dermal hematoma. They swell the eye shut a bit.

They don't look like make-up.

[Fullcrum]

Are you saying that Obama is responsible for people acting like hoodlums, Jeff?

[jeff3]

I worked as an X-ray tech for 17 years and have seen plenty of black eyes that did not swell at all, must less swell shut, I even had it happen to me once as a result of a piece of glass being stuck in my temple behind my left eye.




Looks legit to me. It's interesting how perception affects these discussions and our interpretation of events. On the other hand I am more likely to err on the opposite side when viewing things because I think he is a mistake for America. I really don't know if her story is legit or not but I've heard of several instances of aggressive behavior and vandalism, just in my hometown, against McCain supporters who had signs up or bumper stickers.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by Fullcrum

Are you saying that Obama is responsible for people acting like hoodlums, Jeff?

Maybe the advice (orders) he's giving has something to do with it.


In Elko, Obama tried to anticipate his critics and called on the crowd of about 1,500 to sharpen their elbows, too.

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

"And if they tell you that, 'Well, we're not sure where he stands on guns.' I want you to say, 'He believes in the Second Amendment.' If they tell you, 'Well, he's going to raise your taxes,' you say, 'No, he's not, he's going lower them.' You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case."

[jeff3]

One thing that bothers me about Obama is that he sat and listened to this guy for about 20 years, only when it became politically inconvenient to associate with him did he walk away from him. I don't know about you but I feel pretty sure that Obama shares a lot of the same attitudes as this guy or he would not have associated with him for so long. If he believes half of what Wright spewed off that pulpit it's way too much. I have him pegged as a hater disguised as a lover and a taker disguised as a giver.

YouTube - Obama's Preacher Gives Hate Speech


YouTube - Jeremiah Wright - God Damn America - Obama's Spiritual Mentor / Pastor

[JaredR]

Joe supports Obama. Joe is violent. Therefore, Obama is violent.

Association fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Dan.Linehan]

LOL.

Don't get me wrong, I can imagine violence happening because of politics, sure. But this? This is obviously made up.

I don't think she understood what she was getting herself into.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by jeff3

If he believes half of what Wright spewed off that pulpit it's way too much. I have him pegged as a hater disguised as a lover and a taker disguised as a giver.

YouTube - Obama's Preacher Gives Hate Speech

I'm curious, on the hate speech YouTube link you posted here - what part of it do you consider hate speech, specifically?

[SomeRandomGuy]

Originally Posted by jeff3

One thing that bothers me about Obama is that he sat and listened to this guy for about 20 years, only when it became politically inconvenient to associate with him did he walk away from him. I don't know about you but I feel pretty sure that Obama shares a lot of the same attitudes as this guy or he would not have associated with him for so long. If he believes half of what Wright spewed off that pulpit it's way too much. I have him pegged as a hater disguised as a lover and a taker disguised as a giver.

My understanding is that the choice to join Wright's choice was primarily a strategic decision for a young local politician. Joining the church helped Obama connect with the African American population of Chicago and gave him some important contacts (such as Oprah Winfrey, who also attended).

As strange as it might seem for you and I, politicians often do things based on how they think it will impact their political career, not based on their personal feelings on the matter. That is why Benjamin Franklin was a member of the Christ Church (an Episcopal Church in Philadelphia) even though he considered himself to be a deist. If Obama's political career had never expanded beyond the City or possibly State Level, his association with the Wright church may have continued to be considered an asset.

[WanderingOak]

Even conservative bloggers are starting to find this girl's story a bit fishy...

I can't wait for this silly-season to be done and over with...

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Originally Posted by jeff3

I'm guessing it's African American hoodlums just using it as an excuse to do what they do

Wow, that's incredibly racist. I can see why you don't like Obama and it looks like it has nothing at all to do with his politics. I mean, damn, I live in a huge red state with lots of "good ole boys" but even they have the good sense not to say stuff like that in mixed company.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by jeff3

He was standing over her head,which would invert the letter...

No, she claims he was straddling her with his knees on her chest. Also, the letter is nice and neat and shallow. To me, it looks more consistent with standing in front a mirror and forgetting that the printing will come out backwards.

Now, in a later police interview, she comes out with, oh by the way, he also sexually assaulted her. Oops, I guess she forgot to mention that.

[Dan.Linehan]

Well, she's admitting to making it all up at this point.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

Well, she's admitting to making it all up at this point.

Oh, how about that? Well,

It's interesting how perception affects these discussions and our interpretation of events

...isn't it, Jeff3?

[Angela]

John Moody, Executive Vice President of Fox News, wrote in a blog post yesterday that:

If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain’s quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting.

[Barcs]

Sounds similar to the guy who was shot in London for wearing an Obama shirt. When will the hatred stop? This is why the 2 party system is a failure. It divides people into polar opposites. If this was actually fake, then it's even sadder.

[JaredR]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

Well, she's admitting to making it all up at this point.

I guess that makes all McCain supporters liars.

[WordKeeper]

Not exactly Jared and noone made such a suggestion.

It is however really quite disturbing that she fabricated the whole thing. As it turns out she has recently moved to that area to work with College Republicans. And though I am not supporting McCain, I believe it is very dangerous to continue spouting venom about candidates based on the worst behavior by their supporters.

This young woman's disturbing behavior does not have anything to do with McCain/Palin in spite of her work with the party. But what does have to do with it is McCain's and Palin's response to the revelation that this attack was totally fabricated - especially in light of the news that both McCain and Palin called her after the news of her attack first broke. I am interested to see how they react now.

[JaredR]

Originally Posted by WordKeeper

Not exactly Jared and noone made such a suggestion.

I'm just extending the OP's logic to include the latest information.

[WordKeeper]

the OP?

it all seems so odd in the face of how this story has turned. So bizarre to take the accusation echoed by this thread and then when it is exposed as a fraud, turn the whole thing upside down and claim victim - just bizarre.

[jeff3]

In one of my earlier posts I said I didn't know if it was legit or not, and I'm actually not surprised. And, yes Dan, I'm sure she never dreamed this would turn into the ♥♥♥♥♥ storm it did. When I saw her picture she just had that "needy" look.

It still doesn't change the fact that I'm actually afraid to put up signs in my yard for fear of vandalism and I'm generally not the type to be afraid of much at all. What it does is takes away the spotlight from some of the legit stuff that is happening.

And as for my comment being racist, not hardly, I'm just calling it like I see it and am not much on the PC police trying to make any and every statement into a race thing. On the street I live on it's only the black kids that walk in the middle of the street, taunt you with profanity,and make you go around them in your auto, and so far, it's only the black kids that say horrible things to my teenage daughter when she goes for a walk, so bad actually that now she can't even walk to the store that's less than a block away, the people I actually caught trying to steal my grill from my back yard were black. The black people who lived behind me for a while raised pit bulls in the back yard and had huge log chains hooked to their necks to drag around. Their back yard was lower than the adjacent lots and water stood on it when it rained, it turned into a giant mud hole and the dogs would try to get on their houses when it was so wet but they couldn't because of the huge log chains. When I bought my house it was primarily older people who owned their homes and none of this stuff happened....ever, when the houses were sold to investors they rented them out and this is the result. I'm not a racist, but I'm not so PC that I can't make the legitimate correlation between these events and the integration of my neighborhood, it's exactly what happened. My comment about the hoodlums still stands as true, most likely the random acts of vandalism done to McCain supporters (in my home town anyway) are done by the same people doing all this other stuff. Unless you would prefer to think someone like yourselves who are just nice Hope and Change supporters are doing it.

There was a meth cook that set up shop in a rent house about a block away and one evening he literally blew the house up, only pipes left sticking out of the ground and somehow he walked away from it, he was white.

I know the same thing can happen with white hoodlums, but it's not what's happening on my street, there is a very obvious, in your face, defiant, aggressive attitude being displayed by these kids (I'm talking 10-16 or 17 years old. The kid who harasses my daughter is about 10 and if he sees her out he immediately rides his bike over and starts in with "OOoo, look at that a**, I'd like to get me some of that".......none of the many white kids in the neighborhood ever did anything like that. It's not the race I dislike, it's the attitude.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy

My understanding is that the choice to join Wright's choice was primarily a strategic decision for a young local politician. Joining the church helped Obama connect with the African American population of Chicago and gave him some important contacts (such as Oprah Winfrey, who also attended).

As strange as it might seem for you and I, politicians often do things based on how they think it will impact their political career, not based on their personal feelings on the matter. That is why Benjamin Franklin was a member of the Christ Church (an Episcopal Church in Philadelphia) even though he considered himself to be a deist. If Obama's political career had never expanded beyond the City or possibly State Level, his association with the Wright church may have continued to be considered an asset.

In either case it's a deficit, maybe he agrees with Wright's racist views or he's just another politician who'll do and say anything to get elected. I actually think it's little of both, but I'm judging by my own standards and I just would not put up with 15-20 years of that guys raving just as a suck-up, of course that excludes me from any public office because basically they ALL lie and half-truth their butts off to get elected.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by JaredR

Joe supports Obama. Joe is violent. Therefore, Obama is violent.

Association fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm pretty schooled in debate tactics, but thanks for the link.... and I never said Obama was violent. The point was really that he is attracting a lot of potential voters who are undoubtedly very anti-establishment, radical, and have very little self control. Why are they attracted to Obama? I don't have a problem with being anti-establishment or radical, 8 years of George Bush will do that, the problem is the militant behavior.

[Daniel Birdick]

Originally Posted by jeff3

It's not the race I dislike, it's the attitude...

You were wrong about the “attack” on the McCain supporter. She lied. Plain and simple.

Your comments about “African American hoodlums” merely “doing what they do” is racist. Plain and simple.

Why do I say that? Because you did not say, in this post or in your previous posts in this thread, that these particular black kids in your particular neighborhood were acting like hoodlums, as some kids of all colors in many neighborhoods have been known to do from time to time. You started this thread to point out a story about a McCain supporter being attacked by a Obama supporter and then you followed that up with stories about African American hoodlums verbally assaulting your daughter and doing other unsavory things, which is of course, “just what they do”. Verbal and physical violence is what “they” do. It’s natural. It’s instinctive. Right? Black man, his supporters, attack on white female McCain supporter… Black kids, attack on young white girl… Anyone can see the correlation, right? Yeah… no. Correlation does not equal causation, and in this case, the correlation itself is illegitimate. Then again, being familiar with debate tactics, I'm sure you are well aware of that.

If your only problem was with the behavior of your neighbors and their kids, and if race has absolutely nothing to do with it, then why did you bring it up at all? Why did we need to know that these kids and the neighbors are black? How is their race relevant, unless of course, you were in fact trying to force a correlation between their race and their behavior?

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by WanderingOak

Even conservative bloggers are starting to find this girl's story a bit fishy...

I can't wait for this silly-season to be done and over with...

I can't wait either. It's amazing how religion and politics can be such a huge wedge, I think it's mainly because the 2 topics involve pretty much "world views" that determine a large part of how we view ourselves and the world in general, an attack on either one immediately becomes personnel because it affects our whole operating system and causes insecurity if we actually begin questioning our own beliefs.

A very good friendship I had with someone has basically been ruined by the discussion of politics and his inability to get me to "see things his way". I usually tried to avoid the topic because I knew where it was headed and I never tried to sway his opinion but he would constantly say things and try to get me to agree and when I failed to respond as he wished we slowly quit speaking to each other.