Biden-Palin Debate

[Poster]

Sarah Palin held her own and at least undid some of the damage she had done to herself in her earlier interviews. She is however nowhere near ready to be VP.

Biden did great too, most of all, he was a gentleman who showed kindness and respect as well as complete command of the issues.

All in all-A good debate!

[Call me Boges]

biden seems like such a slickster.

Palin appeared very sincere.

I think an obama/palin ticket is the answer!

She did hold her own though as well. I felt they both came correctly. I really liked that biden emphasized "WE WILL END THIS WAR!" That really resonated with me.

That is the biggest thing I took away from the debate and I think alot of other Americans feel the same.

[catalyst]

Biden might be slick, but I thought he did a very good job showing that he is VP material. He truly has gone through some very tragic experiences (death of his first wife and child in a car accident), and it is inspiration to see where he is now.

[JMan]

Originally Posted by Call me Boges

I think an obama/palin ticket is the answer!

Ha! Now that would be one of the most unexperienced tickets ever!!!

Checks & Balances would be good though, that's for sure.


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[Erock]

Originally Posted by Call me Boges

biden seems like such a slickster.

Palin appeared very sincere.

I'm guessing that's what most conservatives would say. "Palin's just a regular old mom. Totally nice and looking out for everyone!" However I for one do not want a regular old mom in the white house. At the very least I would prefer someone who I feel is more intelligent than me, and I just can't say that about Palin but I can say that about the other three.

Erock

[coollikeme]

You want change I will give you change.

[Still Growing]

I am not saying politically I endorse Palin but the comment "She's not ready to be VP" is sexist in my view.

If she were a male governor from Alaska we'd attack his positions but not about whether he was ready or not.

If you look at Obama, Bush, Clinton, Regan or Carter where people saying they're not read to be VP with such confidence? Its not the attack on Palin I find wrong but just the manner. Its a fair argument but subtely sexist.

[Call me Boges]

Originally Posted by Still Growing

I am not saying politically I endorse Palin but the comment "She's not ready to be VP" is sexist in my view.

If she were a male governor from Alaska we'd attack his positions but not about whether he was ready or not.

If you look at Obama, Bush, Clinton, Regan or Carter where people saying they're not read to be VP with such confidence? Its not the attack on Palin I find wrong but just the manner. Its a fair argument but subtely sexist.

It could be construed that way but I dont think it is fully. Reason being, todays world is different. The fact that she could even be a governor at all let alone a VP pick shows that mind sets are different. Obviously her gender plays a role but its also her demeanor and her vibe that yells out she is not quite experienced enough. Does her gender effect this? Sure, she is pretty and nice to look at and that alone can cause some differing opinions on. Is it sexist? Maybe but not fully.

Its only a natural viewpoint.

[Dannyboy1]

Biden gave facts and plans about how he was going to improve education, healthcare, end the war, give tax breaks to the working class.

Palin claimed she and McCain would do a lot of things, but not HOW. She never defended all the tax breaks they would give to Big Wigs in corporations and Exxon. She couldn't defend the fact that their plan would not help people get healthcare. She could not defend the fact that McCain has been wrong about the war the whole time. All she wants to do is drill for more oil, not look for alternate resources. Sarah Palin's "facts"? "We're going to cut the greed out of the government." HOW???? She says, you want to trust the government with your health care? Then, she wants to be a part of that government? Can you insult something and say you want to be a part of it in the same sentence and be believable? She had no defense against the fact that they have no real plan for Afghanistan. She said they could use a surge like in Iraq when Biden pointed out that the US General in control down there said a surge would NOT work. He also pointed out that we spend more in a week in Iraq than we've spent in Afghanistan for the whole 7 years we've been there. And THAT'S where the real threat is. Not Iraq. She won't sit with leaders and talk diplomacy???? She wants to give dangerous leaders the silent treatment???? That will NEVER work. It's ridiculous. You need to communicate, even if they're despicable. They do have power and maybe with talks AND a show of force you can be effective. The first time she ever even left the country was in 2007.

She lost the debate in almost every question. She's all show and no substance.

[JMan]

I appreciate a report that goes both ways: 'Facts' both candidates got wrong in last night's debate.

Facts go adrift in Biden-Palin debate - The Debates - MSNBC.com

[Poster]

Originally Posted by Still Growing

I am not saying politically I endorse Palin but the comment "She's not ready to be VP" is sexist in my view.

If she were a male governor from Alaska we'd attack his positions but not about whether he was ready or not.

If you look at Obama, Bush, Clinton, Regan or Carter where people saying they're not read to be VP with such confidence? Its not the attack on Palin I find wrong but just the manner. Its a fair argument but subtely sexist.

Is it the use of word 'she' or the word 'Sarah" which makes the statement sexist? I had said quite emphatically back in 2000 and again in 2004 that GWB was not qualified to be president, and I think I can be reasonably certain I used the words 'he' and 'George' once or twice. Are those statements so different that one is sexist and the other is not?

For the record- I'm the younger brother of 4 sisters and the father of 4 daughters and one son. I've also been the stay at home parent for the past 18+ years, and I home-schooled 4 out of 5 of our offspring.

If my comment sounds at all sexist to anyone thats because it is to them. But thats their problem and not mine.

[Brutha]

If you look at Obama, Bush, Clinton, Regan or Carter where people saying they're not read to be VP with such confidence? Its not the attack on Palin I find wrong but just the manner.

Obama also gets attacked for not being ready.

In addition her governship isn't one like every other. She made a point in thowing out everyone who had experience in Alaska for being in the "old-boys-club" and replaced them with friends from Wasilia.
You can probaby count on her getting her people from Wasilia around her when she goes to Washington because she hates everyone in Washington.
Normally a governor could learn from other people who have experience.

One of those weekly standard guys wrote in her defence tht experience means having visited Asper Institut seminars or having been in Davos.
That's surely a part. I want leaders that do understand a bit about the world.

She's all show and no substance.

Unfortuantly that is what a debate like this is about.

I appreciate a report that goes both ways: 'Facts' both candidates got wrong in last night's debate.

Facts go adrift in Biden-Palin debate - The Debates - MSNBC.com
Today 03:22 PM

Good article. You should however keep in mind that getting facts wrong in debating against unprepared questions is natural and doesn't necessarly mean that someone is lying.
It's a different thing than getting facts wrong in a well prepared speech.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by catalyst

Biden might be slick, ...

He's slick because he is very intelligent.

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

He's slick because he is very intelligent.

I don't get the whole slick thing. The man was nice. The man was congenial. The man was prepared. The man was honest about his feelings. He almost broke down when he thought of almost losing his son. That was real. The man wasn't slick. The man was prepared and detailed. She was slick if either of them was.

[JMan]

Originally Posted by Dannyboy1

I don't get the whole slick thing. The man was nice. The man was congenial. The man was prepared. The man was honest about his feelings. He almost broke down when he thought of almost losing his son. That was real. The man wasn't slick. The man was prepared and detailed. She was slick if either of them was.

I disagree - her performance was rough. Biden clearly has been speaking in forum settings much, much longer than Palin, and is a much more sophisticated politician because he's been doing it for so long and is used to taking issues and questions where he wants them. I think 'Slick' comes across in his fluidity of speach, and his visual presence - his hair mostly, which, itself, is slick too. And he had a nice tan going on. If you were to do a movie and cast someone as the 'Slick' politician, it would be Biden, not Palin. She needs some polishing.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Dannyboy1

I don't get the whole slick thing. The man was nice. The man was congenial. The man was prepared. The man was honest about his feelings. He almost broke down when he thought of almost losing his son. That was real. The man wasn't slick. The man was prepared and detailed.

All that is what would constitute slick to me.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Still Growing

I am not saying politically I endorse Palin but the comment "She's not ready to be VP" is sexist in my view.

If she were a male governor from Alaska we'd attack his positions but not about whether he was ready or not.

If you look at Obama, Bush, Clinton, Regan or Carter where people saying they're not read to be VP with such confidence? Its not the attack on Palin I find wrong but just the manner. Its a fair argument but subtely sexist.

With Obama there were questions over whether or not he was ready to lead. They've died down since he's proven himself quite competent, and he's always presented himself well. The same can't be said of Sarah Palin.

[JMan]

Originally Posted by Eric Revelin

With Obama there were questions over whether or not he was ready to lead. They've died down since he's proven himself quite competent, and he's always presented himself well. The same can't be said of Sarah Palin.

Yeah, he's come a long ways in his two years of campaigning. The same can't be said of Palin's five weeks. She's not ready to be president and needs some grooming on a national level.

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

All that is what would constitute slick to me.

Honesty is slick? Being knowledgeable is slick? Being respectful of the inexperienced person you're debating with is slick? Having a plan for progress is slick? LOL!!!! So you'd rather our leaders be disorganized knowledgeable and scatter brained?

That's your definition of slick? See, my definition is someone who has no idea what they're doing, so they wink and use catch phrases like "maverick" and "soccer mom" and gloss over everything that's important and fool people into thinking you did a good job when you actually ruined the finances of the state you keep bragging about running. THAT'S slick.

[Call me Boges]

Originally Posted by Dannyboy1

Honesty is slick? Being knowledgeable is slick? Being respectful of the inexperienced person you're debating with is slick? Having a plan for progress is slick? LOL!!!! So you'd rather our leaders be disorganized knowledgeable and scatter brained?

That's your definition of slick? See, my definition is someone who has no idea what they're doing, so they wink and use catch phrases like "maverick" and "soccer mom" and gloss over everything that's important and fool people into thinking you did a good job when you actually ruined the finances of the state you keep bragging about running. THAT'S slick.

I think the thing that got me thinking he was slick was mostly his looks. He has the tan, and that big old cheshire cat grin.

[JMan]

I still think Biden is slicker, more polished, a practiced politician. When he says something it's hard to question because it sounds so good - he's been in public speaking and debating forums for decades and it shows. Palin stumbled and fumbled and was rough around the edges. They both told mistruths: Facts go adrift in Biden-Palin debate - The Debates - MSNBC.com

[Brutha]

When he says something it's hard to question because it sounds so good - he's been in public speaking and debating forums for decades and it shows.

She isn't bad at public speaking.
She simply has a different style than your usual politican.
As a major you have to hold speeches. But she's self taught.

The speeches she gave as major weren't probably weren't in debates. In this debate you see very clearly that she sees public speaking as giving monologes. Shes experience in that style of public speaking.

The success of her speech at the national convention also shows that she is skilled at public speaking. Yes, someone else wrote the words, but she delivered that speech excelently.

In addition she got a really good support rating for playing that persona in Alaska. She has no reason to change herself.

It's scary.

[ar81]

+Government deficit
+Company deficit
+Bank deficit
+Citizen deficit
+Trade deficit
-------------------------
= Excess of demand

Today, government, banksand trade deficit have deficit.
The only ones who could pay for deficit would be companies or citizens.
Companies fire people and transfer deficit to citizens.
So in the end citizens will be subsidizing national deficits of the other sectors.

If war is ended, government deficit would be reduced, so citizens would have less economical pressure. The alternative is that government sacrifices infrastructure, health or education to keep funding war.

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by ar81

If war is ended, government deficit would be reduced, so citizens would have less economical pressure. The alternative is that government sacrifices infrastructure, health or education.

Why are we fighting a war that's destroying us?

[Call me Boges]

Originally Posted by Dannyboy1

Why are we fighting a war that's destroying us?

I think the USA wants to take control of the middle east. The largest military base outside of the US is in Iraq.

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by Poster

Is it the use of word 'she' or the word 'Sarah" which makes the statement sexist? .

No

Originally Posted by Poster

If my comment sounds at all sexist to anyone thats because it is to them. But thats their problem and not mine.

Its not really about you.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Dannyboy1

I don't get the whole slick thing. The man was nice. The man was congenial. The man was prepared. The man was honest about his feelings. He almost broke down when he thought of almost losing his son. That was real. The man wasn't slick. The man was prepared and detailed. She was slick if either of them was.

You call him by "man" too much. You're sexist

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by Elrond

You call him by "man" too much. You're sexist

Are you conducting a Salem "sexist" hunt?

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Dannyboy1

Are you conducting a Salem "sexist" hunt?

Not even aimed at you.

[Still Growing]

Nobody said using the word "she" is sexist.