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Default Ring of Power - with instructions for the return of power to the people!

Ring of Power part 1
Ring Of Power: Part 1

Ring of Power part 2
Ring Of Power: Part 2

Check these videos out! I've seen people call it "better than Zeitgeist." It was different, and they're all interesting, but I especially like "Part X: Solutions" where the video lends a set of solutions to the problems of the world!

I'm going to reply with a summary of the solutions and a summary of the video for those of you who can't watch after lunch.

Has anyone else seen this?
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I downloaded and watched these videos a while back. I think it's really far-fetched, some of the accusations they make. Whoever made this really has a thing against Zionism, obviously, though it's interesting to see what they say about Jesus.

Mostly, I take this with as many grains of salt as I take Mel Gibson...who, ironically enough, played a role in a movie called "Conspiracy Theory" wherein the character held beliefs about as far out as the ones expressed in this cycle of movies.

Sorry, but ultimately, I have a hard time believing that there are people out there who are putting this much energy into having just a bit more power than the high-ups they accuse in these videos already have. I don't have a lot of faith in humanity, but I have enough faith to disbelieve these videos. What's more, one could argue that these conspiracy theories are really an extension of the individual trying to make excuses for his/her own failings in life.

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PMG - I'd love for you to grab a couple assertions you had a tough time finding the evidence for as I'd be happy to help you see a bit more insight into the things they're pointing out!

OK - Here are the three weaknesses of those tyrants and puppeteers that have 2/3 of the world making less than $2 a day and over a billion people without enough food and water to drink:

Exposure - these people have gone to great lengths to cover up their many crimes. Exposing these families and people is the first step.
Lack of Support - if we stop cooperating, their plans are guaranteed to fail
Organized Resistance - by an informed and fearless public, especially.

If we turn these three things into a reality, we can do extraordinary amounts of good with much less effort!!

There are a number of solutions that must be reached in order to fulfill these three scenarios. I'm going to list them and summarize them!

Solution 1:
Expose the Ruling Families


Word of mouth is an amazing way to do this - discussing these people and events face to face, online, on the phone, or anywhere - people deserve to know there is something we can do. Share videos & articles online! Post on this thread in discussion of these people!

I'll be posting some links about the committee of 300 and some people in power we could certainly do wihtout.

Solution 2:
Take Back Control of Your Money!

Thanks to fractional reserve banking, the current world bankers control all of the world's money. Banks may be convenient for you, but they are constantly and consistently linked to drug trade, war profiteering, creation of poverty, stealing, history manipulation and slavery.

Withdraw your money from the banks.
Stop using credit cards.

Convert that cash into commodities - not 'publicly traded' ones, mind you, but precious metals and stones, which will constantly hold value. Put them in a safe.

Honestly! This isn't a radical move - using the bank is a radical move! You have no actual control over your own money, it's being re-invested by tyrants and murderers to promote poverty, death, and debt slavery, and you pay fees on top of the passive profits they make on your money already!

Take all your money out of retirement funds, savings plans, stocks and bonds, which are all rigged in the favor of Class A shareholders and the corporations themselves. Trade in that paper money for gold and silver, and put it in a safe.

The less money there is in the stock market and in the banks, the closer we get to bringing peace and happiness to the majority of the world, not the top 20%, as this lessens the power of the banks and their wars and drug trade.

Take back control of your cash - it's always there for you in your safe - no fees! Do you really want the all seeing eye in your pocket all day long?

I personally have been implementing the barter system more and more - it reduces my work load as my necessities should always be covered for work I've already done or am just maintaining.

Solution 3:
Refuse to Fight the Wars

As I'm sure some of you know - I'm not a believer in "support the troops," as this promotes blind patriotism.

We must stop working for the causes of these tyrants who are conquering each last piece of the globe that could possibly suppress their plans of global domination.

The world economy (inner London), the world police (the USA), and the world religion (the Vatican), are working together to take each opposing force out of the picture - Afghanistan and Iraq have recently been colonized - Iran looks to be next. We must refuse to colonize and infiltrate these foreign lands for the sake of the well being of the entire world.

Solution 4:
Stop Voting


2 candidates? Come on. We're tossing a coin for the future of our country!

Not only that, but the 2 that consistently come out on top are those who can take the country in the right direction for these puppeteer tyrants. The lesser of two evils is still evil - we must stop supporting corrupt systems!

Don't even bother quarreling about presidential candidates, because as we've seen recently with the squashing of Ron Paul by the international media, the government is NOT by the people, for the people.

More solutions to come!!!
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Solution 5:
Stop Obeying!

Don't obey laws that disempower you - I think Steve would agree with this one! If the tyrants are breaking all of their own rules, how are we supposed to beat them at their own game? It's time to say no to the laws that hold you back and hold you down!

Their success depends on your solemn obedience - they make AND break the laws! Why should you follow "do as I say, not as I do?" Are we all a bunch of scared little children? I SAY NO! We're not! There's no need to listen to hypocritical rule.
Solution 6:
Buy Small - Think Big!

Don't buy from corporate grocery chains, corporate big box stores, or even publicly traded chains and malls. Buy from and support local producers - these are people like you! They are not faceless corporations owned by tyrant bankers who are oppressing and killing the masses without discretion and solely for their personal benefit!

Stick to farmers markets and small businesses - you will know that your things were made with care and not malice, and by a local human being and not a young, malnourished debt slave in a foreign land! Out of sight, out of mind has GOT to stop. We all know how evil Wal-Mart and such stores are; it doesn't stop there! These businesses all feed into this system of corruption, and it has to stop.

Grow your own food also! Do you really trust these big brand farms, factories, and stores who sell genetically modified foods? Should the food not be consumed as it grows naturally? If it ain't broke, don't fix it - natural foods are much better for you than these substitutes that are poisoning and reducing the health of what was once a strong people!

Solution 7:
Stop Donating to Charities!


Many of these bigger charities are set up as laundering services by the bankers, for the bankers, and work equally well to give them a good face in public opinion! These thieves are cleaning donations, drugs, and destruction through false front big name charities.

Re-invest your money in yourself, and use your new found time or abilities to actually help people, rather than throwing money at issues that were deliberately created not to be solved.

Solution 8:
Change Loyalties

Don't identify with a flag or a nation - this is an antiquated ideal. We are all human beings and should not have to unite under a national flag or a global flag or any flag - we can peacefully coexists without a horrible collection of tyrants holding down the masses.

The people of the United States are not against Iraq or Iran or any of our so called 'enemies,' nor are our leaders. These wars are set up as false fronts for the acquisition of land, the reform of policies, the reduction of freedoms, and the impoverishment of the masses.

It's time to be loyal to the HUMAN RACE. We as a global people are immersed in unnecessary suffering in the form of debt-slavery to bankers world wide. They control everything from our fields to our offices and homes, both in the Eastern and Western hemispheres. We need to look out for our fellow brothers and sisters, regardless of race or nationality, and at all times.

The last set of solutions will follow shortly!
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Solution 9:
Reject False Claims

Refuse the claims of these families' acquisitons and control of your nation's water, health plans, land, schools, food, drugs, and any of your national assets through sneaky corporate privatization. These families are developing corporate empires that will be practically impossible to oppose once they have taken full force.

Until we do this, we are completely at their mercy! They can do anything to our water, our land, our learning process and our histories, our food and our medication, our access to health care and information and more. They continue to seize more and more control of the necessities of life through 'legal' means, as they're the ones writing the laws.

Make certain that things like Bill C-51 never make their way into existence.


Solution 10:
Name Names!

Make sure people, not corporations, are being held accountable! These publicly traded companies that are supposedly "publicly owned" are only fractionally shared with the public and actually belong to the people who founded the corporation and hold special types of stock called "Class A" stock.

If these corporations are found to be doing illegal activities, their owners and forerunners should be held accountable. If this doesn't occur, any business can be re-established or continue on it's illegal acts undaunted! We must put a stop to the blatant and horrific crimes of law-shielding corporations by demanding that their owners and main operators are held accountable for their actions.

Solution 11:
Reject the Propaganda that Keeps us Passive!

Just because "the Bible says so," does not mean that Apocalypse is coming. We do not need to listen to the Bible in it's saying we will be ruled by the Hebrew people because they are the chosen bloodline of a certain king. Not only is this fairytale-esqe, it is a completely limiting belief.

We must be ready to take action and spread awareness to stop the terrible things that are happening and growing worse! It's time to share knowledge and power and support for those people helping the human race, and not themselves! It's time to redistribute wealth from 1% of the population back into the world in the form of food and shelter and health care and access to education!


Solution 12:

Arrest the Committee of 300

The Committee of 300 is the group of mass murdering controllers who called for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of human beings with the use of atomic weaponry against the Japanese people.

These are the people responsible for the mutilation of peoples and nations, the crippling of societies and families, and the murdering of innocent lower class people globally. These people are the true terrorists of the world, controlling not only war, but economics, religion, and anything else that would lend them power.

We must band together and arrest these families as citizens and call for the end of the suffering of our brothers and sisters throughout the globe!


Solution 13:
Overcome Fear!

We all know this one - thanks to Steve anyway! We must overcome fear and accept our calling as those members of humanity who rise up and make a change in the world. Those silent martyrs who ensure our periods of peace, happiness and unity.

We are not children. We are not slaves. We are strong and we are NUMEROUS. There are many more of them than there are of us; it's time to band together in all possible forms and bring peace and love to our global communities!

Bring on the contributions!

I hope these solutions will create some conversation as to whether or not you want to contribute to the cause of billions of people in suffering for the sake of 300 families! 90% of the world is counting on us; it's time to dig deep and lend our fellow humans a hand to overcome the tyranny that has been running through our world for far too long.

I'd love to see some ideas and am going to be sharing the actions I take through this post.

Be ready to see some flash games based on these solutions as well as some sort of web portal for more things of the like.

Let's see what we can do!
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I'd have to go back and rewatch the movies--it's been several months since I watched them--to point out anything specific. But I DO remember that a lot of what they were saying sounded like pure speculation, with sketchy "evidence" at best to support their claims.

Let me put it this way: If YOU were one of the wealthiest people on the planet, in control of all sorts of real estate and political influence and whatnot, would YOU use your extended powers solely for your own ends in an attempt to keep billions of other people under your thumb, or would you try to be more magnanimous and generous and just plain more human? If I were rich, with hundreds of millions of dollars at my disposal, do you think I'd be spending all my energy on cover-ups to gain more power, or do you think I'd just be out doing recreational activities with people I love and care about?
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I'd have to go back and rewatch the movies--it's been several months since I watched them--to point out anything specific. But I DO remember that a lot of what they were saying sounded like pure speculation, with sketchy "evidence" at best to support their claims.

Let me put it this way: If YOU were one of the wealthiest people on the planet, in control of all sorts of real estate and political influence and whatnot, would YOU use your extended powers solely for your own ends in an attempt to keep billions of other people under your thumb, or would you try to be more magnanimous and generous and just plain more human?
I would try to be magnanimous and generous and just plain more human!



Please go ahead and re watch it if you're as curious as I am as to the validity. I'm sure it will only help the conversation and the creation of ideas in this thread!
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Then why would you assume the opposite from the people who are already in such positions?
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Then why would you assume the opposite from the people who are already in such positions?
Where do you get that I assumed anything?

I was raised a Catholic and had respect for the church and its teachings that we heard in services. As I grew up and learned more about the church, I grew to know the corruption of people in such positions.

For example, the Catholic church in Canada participated in and covered up its history of ethnic cleansing of Aboriginal people.

That's a pretty serious case of theft by people in power using their tools of business, church, and police force. They even blotched it out of history!
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Thanks for posting this, Dave, especially the summary.

Really interesting stuff, and it's nice being able to read many of the main ideas in about 10 minutes instead of having to watch 5 hours of video. Your summary even inspired me to begin watching it, despite my usual lack of patience for watching long videos. I've only watched about the first 5 minutes so far, but I plan to watch all of it eventually.

By the way, in case anyone finds it useful, there's a way to create links that will cause a Google Video to start at exactly the hour, minute and second you want it to. All you have to do is add what is called a "fragment" or "named anchor" to the end of a Google Video URL, in the following format:

#00h03m30s

Adding the above to the end of a Google Video URL will start any Google Video at 0 hours, 3 minutes, and 30 seconds (assuming the video is at least that long).

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Example, with the named anchor highlighted in orange: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8250619454941053618#00h03m30s

Ring Of Power: Part 1
Starts the video at 3 minutes, 30 seconds.

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I learned that trick here: Talk like a Googler: parts of a url

Just thought I'd mention it, since it may make the video easier to discuss, since people will be able to link directly to any section of the video they want to talk about.

And, if anyone can't watch the video all in one sitting (like me), this will make it easier for people to come back to the exact place they stopped watching it.

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Crickey! I don't have time to watch those videos right now but I'm certainly interested to see what inspired Dave. Until then I think I'll keep donating to charities and leave my money in the bank.
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It's kind of ironic that you don't.
Yet, Brutha; yet.

I'll get there- please afford me some time, as posting on Steve's forums isn't the only thing I do! (Honestly, it's not! )

I really do plan on putting these solutions to work and giving examples through interactive media as to how it can be done. If you'd help me by being on the pro side of some of these people, Brutha, I'm sure it would bring out a lot of truth about the people in question.

I'll start doing write ups as soon and as often as possible guys, but Rome wasn't built in a day!

Here are two names for you: George W. Bush and the Pope. Whatever happened to the separation of church and state?

Here's a lie of a quote from that article:

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That is FAR from the long OR the short of it.
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Crickey! I don't have time to watch those videos right now but I'm certainly interested to see what inspired Dave. Until then I think I'll keep donating to charities and leave my money in the bank.
New Zealand, like Canada, is a crown land.

Everything we do here (and there) that supports the gov't contributes to its tyrannical monarchy. (I'm almost positive it's against the law for me to speak out against the crown, so watch out Steve.) You have to swear an oath to the Queen to be a national representative. Isn't that a bit dated?

Boy Scouts have to pledge allegiance to the Queen in Crown colonies as well. An 8 year old making a life long, binding decision? Great...

p.s.: your country now has John McCain's approval... thanks to its sending military forces to areas of conflict? Yeah, that's just what I look for in a country! Someone who's willing to join the fight...?
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Welcome to the human race.
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I don't get this post, Jamie?

Are you saying it's supposed to be this way?
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......do you think I'd be spending all my energy on cover-ups to gain more power....
At that level, it has nothing to do with Money, as you point out. It changes to Power over.

You say you would not do that. That's you. There are people out there who think otherwise. They need that power to validate themselves.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"
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No, I don't think there is a way it's supposed to be, it's just the way it is and human nature is just the way it is.

I think whoever you have at the top, those people will always pull the 'strings', to meet the needs of their own individual selfish agendas. I think this simply echos the human psyche at this time, and I can't see things improving anytime soon.

To be honest, we've made our collective bed, and now we're lying in it; and that's kinda what I mean by 'welcome to the human race', human civilization is of our own making..
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Further more, isn't it the very same dynamic which drives these 'fat controllers' towards world domination, the exact same dynamic that drives me to acquire more for myself, more money, my own property, more resources etc etc...

How can one change human nature?
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Further more, isn't it the very same dynamic which drives these 'fat controllers' towards world domination, the exact same dynamic that drives me to acquire more for myself, more money, my own property, more resources etc etc...

How can one change human nature?
Because there isn't a human nature. There's human behavior, but no universal nature that every single person possesses. Not everyone is driven by selfish ends, and not everyone who aspires mainly to further their own agendas will go to any length to do it.

If the current bloated power structures will always end up with a few elite at the top with the rest of us at their mercy, then the solution isn't to change who is in power, the solution is to restructure the whole system so that power is more evenly spread.

Of course, we need to be more mature for that to happen. I don't buy into conspiracy theories. I don't believe that everything that Dave says is true. I think where Dave and I can agree is that we, the masses, need to take our power back. The world is in this state because too many people want the government and the corporations to take care of them. "Give me a job, give me food, give me housing..." Even the old-time, individualistic hard-workers are in the same spot because they allow control of their lives to fall into someone else's hands. That's unavoidable to some degree, but it's gone too far and for too long. The fact that the American people have put up with a Bush presidency this long is evidence of that.
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To be honest, we've made our collective bed, and now we're lying in it; and that's kinda what I mean by 'welcome to the human race', human civilization is of our own making..
It's time to un-make it isn't it? I think that's where I'm going with these solutions because, as we know, often what's broken can be fixed.

Welcome to a nurturing human race
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Boy Scouts have to pledge allegiance to the Queen in Crown colonies as well. An 8 year old making a life long, binding decision? Great...
There no magic in words. Words don't matter that much. No one actually considers himself to be binded be a ceremony like this today.

You don't create loyality with a few words. Narratives aren't that powerful.
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There no magic in words. Words don't matter that much. No one actually considers himself to be binded be a ceremony like this today.

You don't create loyality with a few words. Narratives aren't that powerful.
Affirmations, to some, are extremely powerful. Look at the LoA and spirituality forums.

I imagine these people we'll be talking about will be highly conscious. Language, I think, is a very strong method of control.
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Affirmations, to some, are extremely powerful. Look at the LoA and spirituality forums.

I imagine these people we'll be talking about will be highly conscious. Language, I think, is a very strong method of control.
It is, when it's got feeling behind it. It's all about the emotions it conjures. Would the war on terror ever have gotten off the ground if we weren't so emotionally distraught after 9/11 that we'd be willing to do anything to prevent another event like that from happening? And what about Iraq?

Words, by themselves, have no power. Brutha is right on about that. But when there are strong feelings and expectations attached to them words can reshape the world.
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Affirmations, to some, are extremely powerful. Look at the LoA and spirituality forums.
Those people of the LoA board normally repeat their affirmations, because saying a affirmation once doesn't do much.
In addition intention matters. Those 8 years old don't have much of an intention when they say those words.
The world is a lot more complicated than people swearning as 8 year old on the queen and later feeling obliged by it.
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Words, by themselves, have no power. Brutha is right on about that. But when there are strong feelings and expectations attached to them words can reshape the world.
Actually you don't need the words, the feelings are enough.
9/11 wasn't about words but about images, about a narrative, about feelings.

In addition you should never underrate the chaos in the world. Things often happen for silly reasons.
English isn't the world language because it a particulary good language in but because the english language got lucky and the US happens to have had English speaking immigrants.
There no good reason for English being the world language.
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Talking about this in terms of “bad news” or “bad judgment by business leaders” seems archaic. It’s like describing World War One as “a serious diplomatic concern.”
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It's time to un-make it isn't it? I think that's where I'm going with these solutions because, as we know, often what's broken can be fixed.

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Maybe time to walk away from the chaos; not add to it by trying to un-make it, love, baby, now that's where it's at ... non conceptual ... uncontrived ... love.

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