W*ter Car - Daniel Dingo

[escapee]

Daniel dingo :" I was able to use minimal current to split H20 to H2 and O2"...

YouTube - Water Car ... Daniel Dingel

If this thing is real, using gasoline to power our automobiles could be the biggest fraud or technological blunder in the history of mankind. First it has a very low energy efficiency (~ 20%-30% for the internal combustion engine due to energy loss ), not counting the enormous energy used to draw the oil from the deep ocean, Second, it pollutes our air, and cause some of us to die prematurely, third, the emission of greenhouse gases that contribute to global climate change.

Forum discussion on Daniel's invention
Daniel Dingel's Hydrogen-Powered Car - Yahoo Group | MERLib.org

Water car unveiled in Japan
The LOHASIAN: Beyond Day Dreams...<br>Osaka Witnesses Debut of the Water Powered Car

Oooohhh ( i'm shot by the secret agent hired by the oil...., somebody helps )

[escapee]

Japan water powered car .

YouTube - JAPANESE WATER POWERED CAR!!

In Japanese
YouTube - Japanese Water Car


New Fuel Cell System 'Generates Electricity with Only Water, Air' -- Tech-On!

Though the company did not reveal the details, it "succeeded in adopting a well-known process to produce hydrogen from water to the MEA," said Hirasawa Kiyoshi, the company's president. This process is allegedly similar to the mechanism that produces hydrogen by a reaction of metal hydride and water. But compared with the existing method, the new process is expected to produce hydrogen from water for longer time, the company said.

With the new process, the cell needs only water and air, eliminating the need for a hydrogen reformer and high-pressure hydrogen tank. Moreover, the MEA requires no special catalysts, and the required amount of rare metals such as platinum is almost the same as that of existing systems, Genepax said.

Unlike the direct methanol fuel cell (DMFC), which uses methanol as a fuel, the new system does not emit CO2. In addition, it is expected to have a longer life because catalyst degradation (poisoning) caused by CO does not occur on the fuel electrode side. As it has only been slightly more than a year since the company completed the prototype, it plans to collect more data on the product life.

[schola]

All these new discoveries rely on old technology: electrolysis. And electrolysis requires more energy than it produces.

So any car that runs on water is a gimmick. It uses electricity from some kind of power source.

The Japanese car looks legit but it is really just a basic fuel cell I think.

[escapee]

Oh come on, our "gasoline powered car" is not a gimmick ?

First, we expend enormous amount of energy to extract the raw form of oil via oil rig, to make it usable we expend enormous amount of energy to refine it to gasoline. Also, We expend huge amount of energy to transport the oil all over the world for consumption. We even go to war to secure the control of the oil field.

How much energy is wasted to produce 1 gallon of usable gasoline through all these processes? only to be wasted (70- 80% ) in the internal combustion engine again ? haha

To make thing worse, the oil rig powered car pollutes our air and contributes to global warming.

[schola]

Both fuel cells and internal combustion engines have been around for more than 100 years. There is a reason why the industries chose one over the other. One was economical and one wasn't.

[escapee]

But now we have major industries ( Toyota, Honda and others ) using fuel cell for the hybrid and plug in vehicles. As per Genepax, the cost of producing a "water" powered car ( or fuel cell system ? ) is about US 4000 - 5000 in mass pro mode. Pretty impressive if this is real..

By the way, It appears that the system uses a chemical reaction (hydrolosis ? ) to split the H20 .

This process is allegedly similar to the mechanism that produces hydrogen by a reaction of metal hydride and water. But compared with the existing method, the new process is expected to produce hydrogen from water for longer time, the company said.

New Fuel Cell System 'Generates Electricity with Only Water, Air' -- Tech-On!

Although the production cost is currently about ¥2,000,000 (US$18,522), it can be reduced to ¥500,000 or lower if Genepax succeeds in mass production. The company believes that its fuel cell system can compete with residential solar cell systems if the cost can be reduced to this level.

Fuel Cells 2000 : Fuel Cell Basics : Applications

Fuel cell vehicles have already proven much more efficient than similar internal combustion vehicles. Toyota has published their efficiency results showing their conventional gasoline vehicle having a tank-to-wheel efficiency of only 16%, while their FCVH-4 running on hydrogen shows a 48% tank-to-wheel efficiency - an amazing three times more efficient. GM has also announced that their fuel cell prototypes running on hydrogen have twice the efficiency of their conventional gasoline vehicles.

[schola]

Don't fuel cells require gasoline or oil at some point in the process?

[escapee]

With the typical hydrogen car you will either need nuclear energy or fuel burning ( oil companies love this ) to generate H2 .

The Japan "water" powered car uses some kind of metal hydride as "fuel" to trigger the hydrolysis reaction for the generation of H2. Now imagine we can also harness the power of sun ( Nanotech and Nanomaterial ) to assist in the generation of H2 .........

Hydrogen vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most of today's hydrogen is produced using fossil energy resources.[28] While some advocate hydrogen produced from non-fossil resources, there could be public resistance or technological barriers to the implementation of such methods. For example, the United States Department of Energy currently supports research and development aimed at producing hydrogen utilizing heat from generation IV reactors. Such nuclear power plants could be configured to cogenerate hydrogen and electricity. Hydrogen produced in this fashion would still incur the costs associated with transportation and compression or liquefaction assuming direct (molecular) hydrogen is the on-board fuel. Recently, alternative methods of creating hydrogen directly from sunlight and water through a metallic catalyst have been announced. This may eventually provide an economical, direct conversion of solar energy into hydrogen a very clean solution for hydrogen production.[29]

[escapee]

Perhaps this is too good to be true

It is well known that certain metal hydrides will react with water to produce hydrogen[4]—which could in turn be used to power the car. The problem is that the metal hydride is the "fuel"—not the water—because it is consumed by the process of reacting with the water. Eventually the car will need to be refilled with more metal hydride—and the first law of thermodynamics guarantees that the energy cost of producing the hydride will be greater than the energy produced to drive the car.

The claims made by Genepax that their product produces useable energy to propel the car, requiring only water as a fuel and creating only water as exhaust are fundamentally inconsistent with the scientific community's current understanding of the universe. The exhaust product could be routed directly into the fuel tank to power the car for an indefinite time period with no further intervention until a mechanical breakdown of the car occurs - until parts of the car wear out.

This direct violation of the First Law of Thermodynamics would effectively make the Genepax product a perpetual motion machine.

Genepax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Okay, let us pretend that i didn't make this post ...

[WanderingOak]

Originally Posted by escapee

Perhaps this is too good to be true


Genepax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Okay, let us pretend that i didn't make this post ...

I tried to find Genepax in Wikipedia the day after they made their first press release, but there was no entry. I am glad to see that somebody with a scientific background was able to devote a bit of time to this...

[Christian223]

This is better because it uses no fuel at all, what do you think?

YouTube - Free Energy - No Fuel Magnetic Motor

[infinitethoughts]

The wiki article reminds of what the establishment in the past has always said about new discoveries....

"There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom," attributed to physicist Robert Millikan.

"Everything that can be invented has been invented." 1899.
Commissioner of the U.S. Patent Office Charles H. Duell.

Present science does NOT know everything about the universe as they like to believe.

Look up Ether Physics.

[JimOfferman]

Boy, what let downs...

The Dingo car (if it actually works) runs on the car batteries that do the electrolysis, not on water. I don't think that replacing gasoline with car batteries makes your car more eco-friendly.

Genepax' claim that their car needs no external input, other than water, simply cannot be true. Any chemical reaction with water that produces H2 requires that the O atoms in the water bond with the atoms of some other substance (usually metal). Sooner or later, your entire supply of the other substance will have oxidized, stopping the reaction.

[escapee]

Yeah, It's indeed a let down, Can't hide my disappointment over this "discovery".

I think the synthesis of metal hydride will surely require alot more energy than the final electric output of the water car. It's advantageous for nations which will be relying on nuclear energy( Eg : Japan, France and etc) in years to come but it's basically the same or worse for countries that use mainly coal fired plants for electric generation.

[greatcaptain]

Originally Posted by Christian223

This is better because it uses no fuel at all, what do you think?

YouTube - Free Energy - No Fuel Magnetic Motor

This seems like a really exciting possibility, but I can't help but feel skeptical about it. And it does need a battery to get started, so technically it does need some "fuel."
I do think there people should definitely keep working on alternatives to oil for fuel, because there are better solutions out there. I just haven't seen any that have blown me away so far.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by JimOfferman

Boy, what let downs...

Here's more detailed info on whats going on. It's called HHO or Browns Gas. It's an implosion process rather then an explosion process.

Tesla knew about it, but of course, was shut down at the time.

1500 centigrade flame from Sea water.
YouTube - Salt Water into Fuel

Welding torch powered by water only.
YouTube - Water power

Oil companies are scrambling to and stop it. But this time won't be able to.