Why is Obama now saying he won't remove troops?

[JFKDemocrat]

VIDEO FOUND:
YouTube - Obama: Don't Bring The Troops Home

I was listening to AM radio yesterday and my jaw dropped when I heard Barrack Obama stating to an interviewer that he never said he would remove troops from Iraq and that they need a reconstruction plan for Iraq. What??????? Am I going crazy? I thought he would remove the troops if elected. Is this a big bait and switch he pulled on us now that he got the Democratic nomination? I swear to God guys he said this. If someone can find the audio or video of this please post. It apparently was on Chicago today and found the question someone had ask on yahoo. This is so ridiculous. Both the Republicans and Democrats lie to us and abuse us.

Why is Obama Now Saying That He Never Said Troops Should Be Withdrawn From Iraq ???? - Yahoo! Answers

[ogrekilleat]

Are you sure this is a change? Because I remember some months ago, when there were still a bunch of Dem. candidates, and there was a debate that made it clear to me that there was no candidate that wanted to remove troops anytime soon.

[JFKDemocrat]

I'm not sure, but I was under the impression that he was going to remove the troops, at least over a year period of time. Nope. He is saying reconstruction. American is still in Japan "reconstructing" over 50 years later. All of my friends and family were under the impression that he was going to start pulling troops out and completely leave.

[ogrekilleat]

From Pew Research Center: Dems Debate Iraq Withdrawal Timetable, September 2007.

"I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013," said Obama, "but I don't want to make promises not knowing what the situation's going to be three or four years out."

Of course, we all know how politicians are, so there may be support for your view of what he was saying as well.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

His website says this:

Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Iraq

[ogrekilleat]

Lol, those quotes seem...one might say...completely incompatible with each other. Maybe he's MPD?

[JFKDemocrat]

Here is the video:

YouTube - Obama: Don't Bring The Troops Home


So which personality or side of the mouth should we believe from Obama? Aspiring?

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by JFKDemocrat

Here is the video:

YouTube - Obama: Don't Bring The Troops Home


So which personality or side of the mouth should we believe from Obama? Aspiring?

Why are you asking me?

[JFKDemocrat]

Why are you asking me?

Aspiring

Really just asking anyone? I don't know where to turn now. I just don't trust my government. All these politicians are bought and paid for. I would join the Green Party, but they can never gain traction and are a little too far left. I like what Ron Paul has to say, but he is a Republican. Arghhh!!!!

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by JFKDemocrat

Aspiring

Really just asking anyone? I don't know where to turn now. I just don't trust my government. All these politicians are bought and paid for. I would join the Green Party, but they can never gain traction and are a little too far left. I like what Ron Paul has to say, but he is a Republican. Arghhh!!!!

Maybe he's realizing that his first plan was too hopeful. I certainly don't want a president who "stays the course" even if it's the wrong one. I want someone who will change if he realizes he needs to. Just because you say you're going to do something doesn't mean it's possible or should be done. Look what happened and is still happening with Bush. He's so in denial it's ridiculous. He's insane. Or, maybe he still intends to carry out his plan, but realizes he needs to change the start date. Is there any more press on this? Has the press addressed the sudden change? I wouldn't judge until I've heard all the details.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by JFKDemocrat

Here is the video:

YouTube - Obama: Don't Bring The Troops Home


So which personality or side of the mouth should we believe from Obama? Aspiring?

That video is four years old. Obama has had a written plan for withdraw since 2007. ATC's quote is correct.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by JFKDemocrat

Aspiring

Really just asking anyone? I don't know where to turn now. I just don't trust my government. All these politicians are bought and paid for. I would join the Green Party, but they can never gain traction and are a little too far left. I like what Ron Paul has to say, but he is a Republican. Arghhh!!!!

Ok, I was confused. Sorry.

You know, I'm not really sure what the answer is. For my part, I vote for whoever most closely aligns with my ideals, knowing that it's not even possible for any politician to deliver 100% on their promises.

I do think we could use a change in the system, but I for one am not sure what to do, short of a revolution (and Americans are too complacent for that).

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

That video is four years old. Obama has had a written plan for withdraw since 2007. ATC's quote is correct.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[JFKDemocrat]

Oh, I just realized this video was from 2004. I really hope he does what he promises on his webpage. He seemed so sure of himself in this video, wonder why he had a change of heart? What was the motivation and what has changed since this video in 2004? He knew in 04 that if he became president it wouldn't enter the office until 2009.

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

That video is four years old. Obama has had a written plan for withdraw since 2007. ATC's quote is correct.

Me thinks JFK hath jumpeth off the handleth.

[JFKDemocrat]

Obama could put a blindfold over his eyes, start taking heroine, and use (Eeny, meeny, miny, moe) to make his decisions but he STILL would be leading this country in a better direction than it is now. So me not too worried .

[JFKDemocrat]

Can a citizen not born in the US be a candidate for vice-president? Because I think Schwarzenegger would make Obama an awesome VP candidate. No joke!

[Dan.Linehan]

I think it's going to be Jim Webb.

[Brutha]

I really hope he does what he promises on his webpage. He seemed so sure of himself in this video, wonder why he had a change of heart? What was the motivation and what has changed since this video in 2004?

I think that there is some sense in wanting to stay a bit after an invasion (if you go and mess up an other country you have some responsibilty to bring it back in order) but not wanting to stay longterm in that country.

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by JFKDemocrat

Can a citizen not born in the US be a candidate for vice-president? Because I think Schwarzenegger would make Obama an awesome VP candidate. No joke!

By law, any candidate has to be a native born US citizen. There was discussion about this possibility the minute he signed on as the Governator.

[JFKDemocrat]

Well I like the thought of successful business people being our politicians. This is why I hope McCain choses Mitt Romney for his VP.

[Tasaio]

Originally Posted by JFKDemocrat

Well I like the thought of successful business people being our politicians. This is why I hope McCain choses Mitt Romney for his VP.

Business people, like Bush and Cheney?

Before he became governor of Texas, Bush ran an oil company. It failed miserably, just like his presidency.

[Brutha]

Bush and Cheney?

Before he became governor of Texas, Bush ran an oil company. It failed miserably, just like his presidency.

But hey, Cheney company Haliburton is making a lot of profits I hear.

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by Brutha

But hey, Cheney company Haliburton is making a lot of profits I hear.

Yea, seems like just a smidgeon of a conflict of interest doesn't it?

[Ree]

Originally Posted by JFKDemocrat

Well I like the thought of successful business people being our politicians. This is why I hope McCain choses Mitt Romney for his VP.

Interesting thread. This election is going to be fun to watch, isn't it?

I'm curious.... how did you feel about Ross Perot??

[Ree]

Originally Posted by Still Growing

Yea, seems like just a smidgeon of a conflict of interest doesn't it?

Did you hear what Cheney said about folks living in West Virginia? In a discussion about his own family tree, he commented that "there are Cheneys on both sides of my family and I don't even live in West Virginia."

[MidasGirl]

Originally Posted by Ree

Did you hear what Cheney said about folks living in West Virginia? In a discussion about his own family tree, he commented that "there are Cheneys on both sides of my family and I don't even live in West Virginia."

At least he does have a sense of humor: and it doesn't even involve shooting a lawyer

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by Ree

Did you hear what Cheney said about folks living in West Virginia? In a discussion about his own family tree, he commented that "there are Cheneys on both sides of my family and I don't even live in West Virginia."

I'm no fan of Cheney's but in the end it was just a joke.... Its the least of my complaints about him.

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by Dannyboy1

Me thinks JFK hath jumpeth off the handleth.

It seems you're eyes will have to roll back to straight ahead.

US Election: Barack Obama Wobbles on Withdrawing Iraq Troops - CommonDreams.org

Not picking on Obama, I can't stand McCain either.

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity}

His website says this:
Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Iraq

Don't you hate when politicians make you have to eat your words? I'm not picking on you; just pointing out what we get from politicians.