Michael Tsarion - does anyone else get into his stuff?

[Dave Kaminski]

I love listening to Michael Tsarion!

He has some really... interesting concepts. He talks about a lot of things and has found some interesting ties between history, 'pre-history' (he's big into Celtic/Egyptian/Sumerian stuff), aliens, the government, 2012, etc.

He's got some free videos on Google.

Does anyone else like him or his stuff?! He's my favorite conspiracy theorist! (I wonder how many people will think I'm a kook now )

[ChefSalad]

I actually watched about 16 hours of his 36 hour program. It was very interesting at first. After a while, it seems like he was just rehashing the same points to make each new point. That's not to say that I don't like what he said, but just that he kind of expanded about six hours of material into 36.

Anywho, a lot of what he talks about, he got from books written by the theosophists during the latter half of the 19th century. Here are two sites which contain a large number of his source books in PDF form (legally):

Sanctus Germanus Pertinent Books
Internet Sacred Text Archive Home

[Dave Kaminski]

Nice! Thanks!

Yeah, I watched almost all, if not all, or Origins and Oracles a couple years back.

It's interesting stuff. I'd have to agree with him on almost everything he brings forward because he does show his facts and quotes, etc. He makes some very strong points!

[schola]

A little more fear with your fear-based fear?

I dunno Dave. I'd rather believe that all the bad guys in the world just have the wrong idea rather than that they're evil descendants of Satan worshiping nobles from the 15th century...but maybe that's just wishful thinking.

Plus kids these days are just so damn rebellious it doesn't seem like these families could really hold it all together if this were true.

What if the 10th descendant destined leader of the Knights Templar just said one day, "You know what Dad, I don't want to guard the darn Holy Grail! I want to be a dancer!"

That would really put a crimp in the Illuminati's plans to impregnate Britney Spears with a human/reptilian hybrid that will one day grow up into the Anti-Christ who will become president of the one world government so that he can open up a portal to the planet Xenu so that L. Ron Hubbard who was imprisoned there can come back to Earth to write the script for Battlefield Earth 2 - wouldn't it?

[Dave Kaminski]

Tony,

It's not fear per se, if you're not 'afraid' of what's going on. What's the worst thing they can do? Kill me? If they do that, I'm sure I did something right.

Makes a lot more sense to me than everyone just sucking energy and wealth out of a flawed system for their own small, personal benefit (lol)

It's sure easy to write this stuff off (at least I see how it could be easy to do so) but either way, neither of us is seeing or knows the whole truth, and we're trying

Give me not power nor money nor love - give me truth! Tsarion is right to promote the inner search for truth.

[Brutha]

It's interesting stuff. I'd have to agree with him on almost everything he brings forward because he does show his facts and quotes, etc. He makes some very strong points!

Random quote don't prove anything.

It also just funny to draw things from the fact that someone is the ancestor of someone who lived 1099.
There is a good chance that every european is an ancestor of some king that lived in 1099.

Plus kids these days are just so damn rebellious it doesn't seem like these families could really hold it all together if this were true.

Yes. Especially if you consider a lot of those people selfish.
You have to be really unselfish to have so much loyality to other people.

[Dave Kaminski]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Random quote don't prove anything.

It also just funny to draw things from the fact that someone is the ancestor of someone who lived 1099.
There is a good chance that every european is an ancestor of some king that lived in 1099.

Random quotes do not prove anything, no. Postulating along with the quotes with logical progression of reasoning and linkage to multiple sources with correlating information doesn't prove anything either - nothing is good enough proof for the past, as it is long gone.

These things do, however, strengthen hypotheses.

If the person in 1099 is a strong person in history and had much control, and a person is a direct descendant and has much control, and the bloodline can be traced up or down, it is not a chance, it is a bloodline!

How is there a good, or even remote, chance that every European is an ancestor of some king that lived in 1099? Without fact or reason, that's nothing short of a preposterous claim.

Were there tens of thousands of kings? Did kings sleep with and impregnate all the women, regardless of class? Have all non-royal people died?

This thread is about people who get into Tsarion, not the people who shoo him away

[mikeforum]

I have been following Mr Tsarion work since May of 2007. He is a very out spoken lecturer. So interesting too. I have bought several of his literature works and I will one day purchase the dvd collection.

The guy is so genuine too. Email him and he will reply! He has a lot of knowledge stored in his brian.

Go Tsarion!!!

[Brutha]

How is there a good, or even remote, chance that every European is an ancestor of some king that lived in 1099? Without fact or reason, that's nothing short of a preposterous claim.

A bit of math. If you think that you get rougly every 25 years a new generation you get 900/25=36 generations since 1099. 2^36 is more than there are people on earth.

Were there tens of thousands of kings? Did kings sleep with and impregnate all the women, regardless of class?

Yes.
There are a lot of european princes who practiced something called the "right of the first night".
That means that the prince sleeps the first night after marriage with the bridge.
Some princes found it fun to have sex with virgins and as a result sleept with a lot of them.

A lot of nobels also had a lot of mistresses and whores.

While the king wanted his wife to not have sex with other man and provide him with an legitimete heir he usually did have sex with other woman.
European nobels had lose morals in that regard.

Have all non-royal people died?

Do you honestly believe that if a royal person sleeps with a non royal person that there are no children?

[tracyrtwyman]

As I wrote about in my book The Merovingian Mythos, a lot of the most prominent people in the world are descended from a group of royal bloodlines which ultimately go back to the god-kings of ancient Sumeria. And those god-kings did utilize reptilian symbolism. The perceived "evilness" of this, however, is a personal value judgment that I do not share.

[Dave Kaminski]

Originally Posted by tracyrtwyman

As I wrote about in my book The Merovingian Mythos, a lot of the most prominent people in the world are descended from a group of royal bloodlines which ultimately go back to the god-kings of ancient Sumeria. And those god-kings did utilize reptilian symbolism. The perceived "evilness" of this, however, is a personal value judgment that I do not share.

Interesting.

What do you make of Brutha's idea that we all possibly are?

[ramon]

Hey Dave

Maybe I should not be suprised that a free thinker like Michael Tsarion's work is being discussed on Steve Pavlina's forum. I discovered his work by accident when a atheist friend of mine copied his 2012 - The Future of Mankind video on my hard drive. He thinks its silly for the most part while I found much, much truth in it. I have since discovered this amazing archive of interviews on the Red Ice Creations website. And I have listened to them all and more. The ideas are all weaved together, and sometimes seem disconnected. However, there are questions Michael Tsarion asks that has really made me think.

His explanation of enlightenment, although maybe not original, has reinforced my own studies into Taoism and Tai Chi. And my self reliance has increased as I have studied his work, and the work of John Taylor Gatto, and this has lead me to reading Freedom Manifesto.

My only complaint would be something already echoed here, that sometimes Tsarion repeats himself. And maybe he does so to drive home certain points. His admonition of Ezra Pound lead me to new realisations and taking more responsibility for my own life, and my own decisions.

Enjoy his work.

Sincerely
Ramon
p.s. Steve's recent rebuttal of organised religion is so in line with Tsarion's views on religion its scary ;-)

[schola]

I decided to bump up this thread because I re-watched the video all the way though and he does make some good points.

[schola]

Dave do you like David Icke? I just started reading about him and he has some far out ideas but in this video I'm watching he sounds a lot like Tsarion:

Turning of the Tide

[Dave Kaminski]

David Icke is the man - he has plenty of brilliant stuff out there.

I've begun coding/creating Flash games to expose this information!