Are you expecting World WAR

[PerDev]

As lot of darkworker are in power and Humanity is on lower consousnsess

Are you expecting World War ?

[Brutha]

No darkworker wants to life in an area where he might randomly get hit by a bomb.
Especially a World War with nuclear strikes would the last the a darkworker would want, because he might die or lose a lot of his comfort because he has to hide.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Exactly Brutha, Darkworkers want peace on earth just as much as Lightworkers, now as a lower-consciousness I do believe that certain parts of Humanity, see my thread on Appeasing Islam, (not just islam but all religions), are at a lower consciousness, but generally I think there is a positive trend, moer people are moving away from the darkness that pure faith gives, and returning to the world of reason, logic and science. that is not to say spirituality is going down, far from it, spirituality is on the increase, but spirituality is not faith, not for serious people, it is an internal understanding of ones self, ones consciousness and its limits, it also provides questions, NOT answers. We are the answers in spirituality, not some mythical godhead.

[Eric Revelin]

Those with dark intentions want peace, but they want it on different terms than the rest of us do. They could pervert perpetual war into a form of peace if they so wished. (If we're locked in a stalemate, nobody involved in the war will be able to completely destroy anybody else, thus peace.)

And don't forget the radical right-wingers who firmly believe in biblical prophecy who think that they need to initiate the events that will precede Christ's second coming. While there is an overall trend toward reason and science, these folks aren't going to give up easily.

With that said I don't expect a third world war. I don't expect a 1984-esque police state. Certain conflicts are bound to escalate but there's a limit on how bad things can get with the balancing mechanisms currently in place. (IE, the trend toward reason and science, the disillusionment with the Iraq War, etc.)

[joelyle]

I don't believe we will have War which will be titled World War III
Divisions of religions/belief/government have been present since the beginning of civilizations. When has there been a time of peace? I see a simultaneous rise in consciousness in some and a decreased level of consciousness in others. The intrapersonal war is the root. Possession and fear create a spirit of separateness. The dark worker figures to profit monetarily and for his quest to dominate.

[Eric Revelin]

I think the Orwellian mottoes best depict the aims of those with ill intent:

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

So long as those who believe that, who would have us believe that, have influence in this world, there will be unrest.

[schola]

Originally Posted by Brutha

No darkworker wants to life in an area where he might randomly get hit by a bomb.
Especially a World War with nuclear strikes would the last the a darkworker would want, because he might die or lose a lot of his comfort because he has to hide.

But they might risk war in order to grab more power, no? I suppose a darkworkers' ideal version of "peace" would be a police state that they were in control of. You can't suppress a population without cracking a few skulls every now an then.

I don't think anyone would intentionally cause a world war, but then, I don't think world war was the intention of any of the participants of previous world wars. Even Hitlers' first military moves were based on the (initially correct) assumption that the European powers would do nothing about it.

[Brutha]

But they might risk war in order to grab more power, no?

For a darkworker there are two kind of wars. Wars like the one in Iraq that is far away and wars that are nearer.
Wars that happen near to the darkworker home on the other hand are more dangerous for him.

Even Hitlers' first military moves were based on the (initially correct) assumption that the European powers would do nothing about it.

Hitler wanted war. He wrote his intention down in Mein Kampf years before the war began.

Hitler was a believer. He fighted for something greater than himself.
I don't think that you can say the same thing about powerful darkworker today.

Hitler wanted war for social darwinistic reasons, as he believed that the weaker race loses the war and that's a good thing to destroy weaker races.

There are some hardcore rightwing Christians who want to bring about world war three for the sake of some old prophesis and to get Christ to come back.
But the people with the money don't follow that line of thought.

But they might risk war in order to grab more power, no?

Everyone takes risks.
In another thread Dave speaks about destoying how our society functions. Big change in society bears the risk for war.

I suppose a darkworkers' ideal version of "peace" would be a police state that they were in control of. You can't suppress a population without cracking a few skulls every now an then.

Darkworker don't go out to suppress someone but to benefit themselves.

[schola]

Hmm. Honestly I'm not sure I understand the Lightworker/Darkworker distinction anyway.

Isn't a darkworker someone who consciously takes energy in rather than out? So they try to take as much power as they could. Someone like that would use any means necessary, including taking control of a country. In fact, that is probably a good route to take.

[Christian223]

I heard that Bush is going to cancel the elections, or that somehow hes going to remain in power with the excuse of defending the country against the menace of "nuquilar" attacks, that means, third world war would have started before the new president takes place.

Bush also said in an interview that a third world war would be caused by attacks in Israel, scary. Probably, the war would start with a provocation by Iran, maybe not, but Iran will be attacked, or Israel, not sure.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Christian223

I heard that Bush is going to cancel the elections, or that somehow hes going to remain in power with the excuse of defending the country against the menace of "nuquilar" attacks, that means, third world war would have started before the new president takes place.

He'd never get away with it. The country hates him as it is. If he made such an obvious grab for power, no matter the circumstances, there would be a revolution.

[mlc82]

It amazes me that, if one simply reads history, virtually every war that's ever occured boils down to a single greedy man or handful of elite, convincing entire populations to drop whatever they're doing, and go out and kill for "God" or "Freedom" or some other fabricated ideology solely to further their own ambitions and fill their pockets with more money than they could possibly use, while said conquesting population usually gains nothing at all in the process, besides maybe some raping and pillaging along the way.

People we tend to even revere today, such as Alexander III (aka The Great) and Julius Caesar, while fascinating characters, deep down were nothing but greedy, manipulative killers who left too many corpses of men, women and children to count piled at the feet of their short lived dreams. The only reason these (and plenty of others) aren't remembered as black-hearted tyrants next to Hitler is simple- they won. Maybe not for long, but long enough to be immortalized in history as the "Good Guys", because according to the crap we learn as history, the "Good Guys" always win.

There's nothing new under the sun, and I don't think most of humanity will ever grow out of wanting to be led, told what's right and wrong, have "God" defined for them by other men who are no more divine than anyone else, etc.


I guess I'm just depressed after thinking about this.

[Brutha]

Isn't a darkworker someone who consciously takes energy in rather than out?

Surpression is no effective strategy because it produces resistence.

Someone like that would use any means necessary, including taking control of a country.

We started the thread with the assumption that darkworker already are in power.
When someone extendis his control beyond his power reality takes them back.

The only reason these (and plenty of others) aren't remembered as black-hearted tyrants next to Hitler is simple

Hitler wasn't only bad becausehe was a tyrant but also because of genocide.

[Christian223]

Originally Posted by Eric Revelin

He'd never get away with it. The country hates him as it is. If he made such an obvious grab for power, no matter the circumstances, there would be a revolution.

I think many not normal things can happen in times of crisis, for example, the war on Terror would not have been posible without the attack on the twin towers. If another emergency takes places, emergency measures such as canceling elections may be "necesary", but of course, it would be all orchestrated. Thats what i belive will happen, again.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Exactly Brutha, Darkworkers want peace on earth just as much as Lightworkers, now as a lower-consciousness I do believe that certain parts of Humanity, see my thread on Appeasing Islam, (not just islam but all religions), are at a lower consciousness, but generally I think there is a positive trend, moer people are moving away from the darkness that pure faith gives, and returning to the world of reason, logic and science. that is not to say spirituality is going down, far from it, spirituality is on the increase, but spirituality is not faith, not for serious people, it is an internal understanding of ones self, ones consciousness and its limits, it also provides questions, NOT answers. We are the answers in spirituality, not some mythical godhead.

like that

[Tasaio]

Are you expecting World War ?

Not at all.

People have lived long enough in peacetime, and in the age of vast communication (like the Internet) that nobody wants one. Physical borders no longer mean as much as they used to. There's a definite sense of universal existance amongst human beings. That's why people like me, from Canada, can talk to people from France, Germany, and Iran on this forum.

WWIII is a fearmongering tactic people like George W. use to try and build support for their policies. "If we don't get Iraq's WMDs, it will be WWIII. If we don't stop Iran's nuclear program, it will be WWIII. Etc etc etc..."

Remember how the US and USSR were supposedly going to cause a nuclear holocaust? It never happened. WWIII didn't happen them, and it isn't going to happen now.

Stop worrying about whether there's going to be WWIII, and start working on ending current wars like Iraq. The best way to do that is to act consciously, not fearfully.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Christian223

I think many not normal things can happen in times of crisis, for example, the war on Terror would not have been posible without the attack on the twin towers. If another emergency takes places, emergency measures such as canceling elections may be "necesary", but of course, it would be all orchestrated. Thats what i belive will happen, again.

Of course extraordinary things can happen in times of crisis, but the current administration has already strained its credibility to the breaking point. The fact that someone like Ron Paul was able to get such a huge grassroots movement going is evidence that martial law would not simply be accepted among the masses. Ron Paul is an important symbol that demonstrates true patriotism is not entirely dead, that people are dissatisfied with the ways of our government and that a drastic change is not only possible but people want it.

Mr. Bush can proclaim martial law if he likes but he's not going to have enough people to hold the guns. I'm not saying things wouldn't take a turn for the worse; I'm saying that those who want to fix the ills of this world would eventually prevail and if Mr. Bush gained absolute power he would not hold it for long.

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by Tasaio

Not at all.

People have lived long enough in peacetime, and in the age of vast communication (like the Internet) that nobody wants one. Physical borders no longer mean as much as they used to. There's a definite sense of universal existance amongst human beings. That's why people like me, from Canada, can talk to people from France, Germany, and Iran on this forum.

WWIII is a fearmongering tactic people like George W. use to try and build support for their policies. "If we don't get Iraq's WMDs, it will be WWIII. If we don't stop Iran's nuclear program, it will be WWIII. Etc etc etc..."

Remember how the US and USSR were supposedly going to cause a nuclear holocaust? It never happened. WWIII didn't happen them, and it isn't going to happen now.

Humans have been fighting for tens of thousands of years and in the last century we've had two World Wars. The fact that physical borders aren't like they used to be doesn't stop the likelyhood that there will be another World War someday.

And you speak about people from Canada, France, Germany and Iran as if they are separate and different from the US, for example. Yes you can take the last decade and make some fair arguments but I think we'd both agree that neither of us can predict what turn of events may happen in the next century or two.

Switching gears away from your quote....
Let me say that I would predict that there WILL BE another World War and that it will be to unify continents. There are many intellectuals in the world that theorize that there will be a giant war to unify the nations into one super gov't.

Right now you elude to the fact that the US is the main culprit however if we look at history as a whole I think France, Germany and Iran have a history of war. I am surprised you threw Iran in with the others. I guess your common political enemy allow them to join your group regardless if they fit the profile as a true peace loving nation.

Its true that the US has knighted themselves as peacekeepers but are really fighting to spread capitalism. I disagree with many actions taken by the US but if you look at history as a whole I don't think France, Germany and Iran have much moral high ground.

Keeping to the thread however, I agree with your take if we are only looking at the next 20 years however in the big picture I am afraid that another world war is likely someday. And it should not be assumed that the US will be the agressor. You simply cannot deduce that.

[Brutha]

And you speak about people from Canada, France, Germany and Iran as if they are separate and different from the US, for example.

Just because you life in the US doesn't mean that the US is more important and should be in a list. He also didn't speak about Russia or Sweden when we have Russian and Swedish members.

The fact that someone like Ron Paul was able to get such a huge grassroots movement going is evidence that martial law would not simply be accepted among the masses.

And don't forget that Ron Paul got quite a bit of support from military people, who would have power in time of crisis.

Yes you can take the last decade and make some fair arguments but I think we'd both agree that neither of us can predict what turn of events may happen in the next century or two.

You are right that we can't predict a peaceful 21th century with certainty.
People didn't predicted the second world war beforehand either.

Right now you elude to the fact that the US is the main culprit however if we look at history as a whole I think France, Germany and Iran have a history of war.

Do you really think that the history of a country matters that much?
Country don't really have a permanent identity.
The power strucutres that exist in a country are far more important than it's history to predict behavior.

Before WWII everyone expected Hitler to be only interested to unite German people like Bismark did half a century earlier. But Hitler was different.

I agree with your take if we are only looking at the next 20 years however in the big picture I am afraid that another world war is likely someday. And it should not be assumed that the US will be the agressor.

I don't think that a state would be the aggressor when there is a world war in the next 20 years.
If there will be a big war it will probably started by a nonstate.

[Still Growing]

Brutha,
I didn't say the US is more important. I said that if you look at history over a longer period of time then the other countries he mentioned didn't have a moral high ground.

I am also saying that I predict that there will be another World War.

Can you explain which of the points I am making that you disagree with. Frankly I don't see anything you disagree with me on. I think that you just heard me saying "Bla, bla, bla, US isn't the only wrong party, bla, bla, bla, Germany, bla, bla history"

Is that how you read my post? It seems so.

Interesting that you don't find history to be of importance when you're from Germany. Are you waggin your finger at me Brutha? I seems so.

OK, the US invaded Iraq over a decade ago. Thats history right? Yes, yes I know... the US is still there cleaning up the mess that the US made. I get it. Yes, yes I know Germany is different now.... I agree. Now how does any of this change the fact that countries are not stagnant. They change. And that its my position that history shows that this change is likely to erupt into a World War at some point in the future?

[Christian223]

Originally Posted by Eric Revelin

Of course extraordinary things can happen in times of crisis, but the current administration has already strained its credibility to the breaking point. The fact that someone like Ron Paul was able to get such a huge grassroots movement going is evidence that martial law would not simply be accepted among the masses. Ron Paul is an important symbol that demonstrates true patriotism is not entirely dead, that people are dissatisfied with the ways of our government and that a drastic change is not only possible but people want it.

Mr. Bush can proclaim martial law if he likes but he's not going to have enough people to hold the guns. I'm not saying things wouldn't take a turn for the worse; I'm saying that those who want to fix the ills of this world would eventually prevail and if Mr. Bush gained absolute power he would not hold it for long.

I really like your positiveness, but im pessimistic, i belive that he will get what he wants; there is law that gives mr president the full powers of a dictator if emergency arises, see this video on that:

YouTube - Bush approves new emergency act (NSPD51 & HSPD20)

I also belive that this guys in power are so smart, that they are going to cause something like 9/11 once again, that is, they will make the people united against a common enemy, and they will make people think they must defend themselves against this common enemy, in that way, any action taken in that state of emergency will be accepted as something necesary to retain safety of the people, so people will be willing, maybe sad, but willing to do and give their powers, if that means safety to them.

[Brutha]

I didn't say the US is more important. I said that if you look at history over a longer period of time then the other countries he mentioned didn't have a moral high ground.

You created meaning out of the fact that he ommit the US in his list of four countires but you don't ommit meaning out of the fact that he didn't list Island or China.
You argue that the US should be in that list.

OK, the US invaded Iraq over a decade ago. Thats history right?

It's history when faces change.
For me Viatman is history but the first Iraq war isn't.

And that its my position that history shows that this change is likely to erupt into a World War at some point in the future?

I don't think that another World War will get started by the mechanism that started previous world wars.

I also don't think that anybody in power is stupid enough to set of a world war intentionally for a purpuse like uniting the world.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Christian223

I also belive that this guys in power are so smart, that they are going to cause something like 9/11 once again, that is, they will make the people united against a common enemy, and they will make people think they must defend themselves against this common enemy, in that way, any action taken in that state of emergency will be accepted as something necesary to retain safety of the people, so people will be willing, maybe sad, but willing to do and give their powers, if that means safety to them.

Mr. Bush has already strained his credibility to the breaking point. It would take more than just another common enemy for the masses to unite under his iron fist. The only people who aren't pissed off with him are the ones who aren't paying attention. If the administration was so smart their lies would be far cleverer and they'd do a better job of hiding their crimes. As it stands the dullards are duller than they've ever been but a lot of people who were on the fence are mad as hell. The ones who've been paying attention all along are even more passionate than they were.

No, Mr. Bush isn't getting what he wants. Not without a helluva fight.

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by Brutha

You created meaning out of the fact that he ommit the US in his list of four countires but you don't ommit meaning out of the fact that he didn't list Island or China.
You argue that the US should be in that list.
It's history when faces change.
For me Viatman is history but the first Iraq war isn't.
I don't think that another World War will get started by the mechanism that started previous world wars.

I also don't think that anybody in power is stupid enough to set of a world war intentionally for a purpuse like uniting the world.

No I didn't think that the US should be on the list but I disagreed with his position that the other countries have some sort of high moral ground. I was also surprised that he included Iran with countries he was listing as peace loving nations.

I agree with you that people in power realize that in the current world its much more dangerous to be involved in a WW.

I don't disagree with what you are saying..

[Christian223]

Originally Posted by Eric Revelin

Mr. Bush has already strained his credibility to the breaking point. It would take more than just another common enemy for the masses to unite under his iron fist. The only people who aren't pissed off with him are the ones who aren't paying attention. If the administration was so smart their lies would be far cleverer and they'd do a better job of hiding their crimes. As it stands the dullards are duller than they've ever been but a lot of people who were on the fence are mad as hell. The ones who've been paying attention all along are even more passionate than they were.

No, Mr. Bush isn't getting what he wants. Not without a helluva fight.

Well, here are a few videos on the coming war, third world war, nuclear one, with iran. History repeats itself.

YouTube - Iraq & Iran: The Need for New Pentagon Papers
YouTube - Daniel Ellsberg speaks about Iran - Part 3 (9/27/07)
YouTube - Daniel Ellsberg Speech About "The Pentagon Papers"
YouTube - Zeitgeist - The Movie: Federal Reserve (Part 1 of 5)

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Christian223

Well, here are a few videos on the coming war, third world war, nuclear one, with iran. History repeats itself.

YouTube - Iraq & Iran: The Need for New Pentagon Papers
YouTube - Daniel Ellsberg speaks about Iran - Part 3 (9/27/07)
YouTube - Daniel Ellsberg Speech About "The Pentagon Papers"
YouTube - Zeitgeist - The Movie: Federal Reserve (Part 1 of 5)

I've seen the last video and I'm well versed on what the others have to say. These are only perspectives on what could happen. The doom and gloomers have their own biases. I doubt they're lying but it doesn't mean they're right. There's a fine line between helping humanity and fearmongering. (As they say, the road to hell is paved on good intentions.)

Do we have reasons to be concerned? Of course we do. We don't know exactly what will happen. However, as you said, history repeats itself. Doom and gloomers have a history of being wrong. They overstate their claims and they provide insufficient evidence. There's potential for a third world war, martial law, etc. It's up to each individual to decide how best to prepare, or whether to prepare at all. Regardless we mustn't be afraid. I am certain that if we bring ourselves to the brink of destruction fear will fuel the flames.

[Asmoday]

Just as a note, I haven't watched the videos -- the firewall here prevents it, but I did want to join in.

If you buy in to the law of attraction at all, then you have to acknowledge that if that is the world you see coming, then that is the world where you will find yourself in the future. For you, the world will become more and more terrible, reinforcing your beliefs.

Multiple "worlds" can exist at the same time -- for example, compare your world to that of a homeless drug addict. Very different, entirely different rules, potential, daily quality, etc -- yet they exist parallell to each other.

I agree with those who say the fearmongers have a track record of being wrong. They also have a track record of being right, for their world.

I try to see past that -- to the good things around me and in the world, and lo and behold, I just get more of that confirmed.

I know it sounds weird, but if everyone lives in a better world, we create a better world.

I've noticed that those who sound the "doom and gloom" trumpet on a regular basis have interesting personality traits in common. They see the world, and even their life, as largely beyond their control -- an external locus of control. Invariably, they are pessimistic in their outlook, and usually unhappy with their circumstances, sometimes bitter over some past event where they didn't get what they wanted and gave up creating it. More importantly, they tend to use the very calling of the appocalypse as some mechanism to make themselves special in some way, their rewards being later for preservering through an imagined end-time.

I'd like to be clear: I'm not calling anyone out in this thread, just an observation -- based mostly on my experience being raised in a Pentecostal household.

I'm trying to figure out how to positively change this paradigm in these individuals, because really, its just sad.

[Christian223]

Weather forecast says it will be rainy and cold today... will i be able to influence the weather if i go out in a summer outfit?.

It's up to each individual to decide how best to prepare, or whether to prepare at all. Regardless we mustn't be afraid.

Thats the important thing, i agree, but really, we cant ignore all the facts, much less change them with the power of our mind.

[Dannyboy1]

Maybe you should read this other post. - you attract what you fear

Stop fearing it!

[Ponce]

Yes I am..........