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| It seems that Bush and McCain are saying that Iran is the biggest threat to the United States? How? Well we don't know exactly. They don't have a nuclear weapons program, and no history of attacking anyone. Quote:
Though, Iran did call the US currency worthless and encouraged OPEC to start trading in a non-dollar currency. Apparently, that's enough for the US to attack you nowadays.
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| Yeah, this is more like a war between the resurrection of Gold dinar Vs US Paper Dollar. My guess is there will be continuing struggle in middle east as long as US paper money remains to be the medium of exchange for oil and gas. The Moral Imperative from the Muslim Perspective as Perceived in the West Financial Sense University ~ Resurrection of the Islamic Gold Dinar by J. Kent Willis 12/02/2004 Quote:
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| I'm Iranian myself and I'm doing a PhD in Political Philosophy in Scotland! All I can say is that the Iranian government is in such a big internal trouble with their own economic and social issues that they will drift apart sooner than later! I don't undersand how the American government can't see this! All they need to do is to use this situation to encorage a social change in the country, that is already taking place, rather than to attack it. Attacking Iran will not buy them any friends among the Iranian people whereas as at the moment and even more so before US had attacked Iraq the Iranian people had and still do have a very positive attaitude towards the US. But this will not remain the same if US bombs starts falling on them. One should always remember to seperate the people of Iran from the government of that country. The people want to change and they want their country to change! At the moment they are under preasure both from outside and from inside. They need to be given a moment to breath...! |
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Is ~30 years really enough time to convince people that their new theocracy better than what they used to have? I doubt it. If you listen to people living in Iran, they aren't very happy with Ahmadinejad. They think he's an irrational extremist who's just putting them in harm's way. |
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That's absolutely true! Every time he give a new speach, everyone is worried that he going to make another stupid "un-studied?!" remark that is going to put the country into even more trouble! People in Iran do realise how one dictatorship has been replaced with another. And let me put it this way. In fact they feel what I would describe as betrayed! That's not what they expected when they said yes to the Islamic republic! It was meant to be a "republic" but it is far from that! I am not old enough to remember those days, I was born several years after the revolution but I was brought up in Tehran and only left it 3 years ago to go to Europe and complete my postgraduate studies! I can tell you, the people of the west will change their mind about Iranians if they go and visit the country, however unfortunately the government does not allow for free interaction between Iran and the West But that's all about to change! No regime will be able to supress the Iranian youth's quest for understanding themselves and communicating the world around them. |
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| Somi, you do realize that a mere "government change" is not enough to avert the possible aggression against Iran ( Have you forgotten the 1950s Coup )? 1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia My opinion is to avert this potential war crisis, Iran may need to sell "some" or all of oil in dollars ( like the Saudis dictator ). Quote:
Fragile Dollar Hegemony: Iran's Oil Bourse could Topple the Dollar
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| Here it comes: Iran dumps U.S. dollar for oil trades. Of course, the reason The Bush Admin will use to attack isn't that. No, no. They will say that "Iran is killing our service men and women in Iraq" What a farce.
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| Now CBS is reporting that the USS Liberty went into the Persian Gulf today. The Pentagon has ordered military commanders to develop "new options for attacking Iran." The USS Liberty is the same aircraft where Bush made his infamous "Mission Accomplished" speech about Iraq. Isn't it ironic.. don't ya think?
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| They're not peaceful. Let me specify that: the current Iranian regime is not peaceful, and coincidentally neither were several of the previous ones. Last edited by Marco Polo : 04-30-2008 at 09:04 PM. |
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| Dr. William O. Beeman, Brown University's Middle East Studies program professor, who spent years in Iran, says that the Iranian nuclear issue is a unified point of their political discussion: Quote:
The Iranian authorities assert that they cannot simply trust the United States or Europe to provide Iran with nuclear energy fuel, and point to a long series of agreements, contracts and treaty obligations which were not fulfilled. source @ Marco Polo Keeping all that in mind - when you say Iran is not a peaceful country, why exactly? Who have they attacked? I mean, the United States has caused between 400,000 and 1,200,000 excess deaths by attacking and occupying Iraq. Seems a bit like we're the pot calling the kettle black here.
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The Iranian regime knows all too well that their own people are VERY unhappy with the situation as it is. But also they know, given the mentality of the Iranian people, i.e. nationalism, pride in their history, and upto a point mistrust towards the west given the background of the country's unsuccessful interaction with the big powers since the Qajar era, Iranians are most likely to be fooled by the "nationalistic", "populist", remarks of people like the current president. HOWEVER and this is a BIG, however, what they don't realise is that this trend can not go on forever. No matter how much they try to keep the country "closed" with modern technology and ever growing people's access to what is going on in the rest of the world, sooner rather than later there will come a time that no one will buy into their rhetoric anymore. |
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| At the end of the day, bread and butter still do matter the most to general population. The situation is similar in Asia where Taiwan's pro-democracy/independence party took a huge defeat in the latest election due to sinking economy and sour relationship with big red China. A hungry man is an angry man. People tend to choose food over "liberty", "patriotism" or "independence" in time of crisis. We are living in the world of Fascist Capitalism (or Corporate Fascism ).
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However, I daresay that "peaceful" is a slightly misleading term to use for Ahmedinejad and the Ayatollahs. 1. Hezbollah is essentially a strategic arm of Iran. It was created by them during the 1982 Lebanon war, and has been maintained by them ever since [source]. So Iran was essentially fighting a proxy war against Israel in 2006. Iran also controls imporant levers in Iraq, and there is concern about their involvement with various Shiite militias. If you want you can read more on meib.org about their dichotomous two-track policy. 2. The kidnapping of US diplomats in 1979 and the regime's unwillingness to end the siege was a blatant act of hostility. 3. I also vaguely remember the RG randomly kidnapping British sailors in the Persian Gulf, treating them like scum and parading them on international television (despite major ambiguities over maritime borderlines). Very peaceful-like behaviour, oh ya. Take a second to consider their position: two of Iran neighbours are at war, and two regional powers, their enemy Israel and their geographical neighbour Pakistan, posses nuclear warheads. Suddenly the hawkish neocons pick a fight with them. Would it REALLY surprise you if they were pursuing nuclear capabilities as a detterent from attacks? Again, I will reiterate that I'm strongly against any attack on Iran -- mainly for strategic reasons. And as a free nation they are fully entitled to peaceful nuclear aspirations. Last edited by Marco Polo : 05-01-2008 at 12:57 PM. |
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It's a blowback of the Iranian Coup in 1953 ( installation of Shah ). What I meant is if you have Canada and Mexico staging a coup to replace a democratically elected president of US with a corporate linked-dictator to interfere with the "oil policy" of the nation . The "blowback" will occur in the future, meaning to say that American will fight back and may even transform into an ultra-nationalist nation. The oil in middle east ( accounts for ~ 70% of world's oil reserve ) is really a curse .... YouTube - CIA coup of 1953 Blowback
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Being a neighboring country Iran has more right to be involved in Iraq than the US. Quote:
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| I don't get why Iran keeps saying it needs nuclear power when it has so much oil! Wouldn't it be easier/much less costly in the long run to use oil powered generators? I've been reading about the electricity problems in Tehran - HUH? that makes no sense whatsoever unless the gov is doing it deliberately or else would rather spend on weapons than infrastructure. (eg recent long range missile testing) If Iran was really serious about having only peaceful nuclear applications then why hasn't it accepted one of the multitudinous offers of help (Russia's offer a few years ago was particularly generous)? Why hide the nuclear fact for 18 years? why restrict IAEA inspections? btw - Please don't throw the environmental issue at us - in the long run, nuclear waste pollutes much more than oil and nuclear waste storage can never be guaranteed even close to 100% secure (take a course in environmental geology!). Many isotopes have half-lives of thousands of years! |
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Also, I do not think Iran has much in the way of refining capacity, so any oil produced in Iran would have to be refined elsewhere and shipped back as fuel. If Iran has peaked, then the production of new refineries would be a waste of time, as soon, there will not be enough oil produced for them to refine. As far as the Russian offer to help Iran develop nuclear power, I was under the impression that Iran had accepted that offer. In addition to providing power, Nuclear power can also be used to run desalinization plants to provide drinking water. Finally, with all of the anti-Iranian rhetoric flying about in the media, of course Iran wants people to think that they are going to become members of the 'nuclear club'. It doesn't matter if they actually are members, or if they are going to nuke somebody or not. Everybody else is rattling their nuclear sabers, and they want to do the same, to ensure that nobody actually get's the idea into their head that Iran is a soft target ripe for attack. |


