12/21/2012, The End Of The World?

[Power]

Originally Posted by Jennihul

Now bible code stuff is something else altogether....

I read the bible code back in the days. They were spot on finding the dates and events of the past history and uncovering it in the bible code. Then they made some predictions for the years 2000-2008 that they found in the bible code with their supercomputer algorithems. So far the supercomputers and bible code algorithem predictions hasn't happened and sadly to say there was another delay

It was a New York Times best seller... sold millions of copies

[Barcs]

Honestly I think the bible code is a bunch of bs. I've read a few thing about it, but it is purely coincidental. You can find similar codes in almost any book, for example Moby Dick had some alleged predictions in it that came true. The bible code seems even vaguer than Nostradamas.

[Nicketas]

2012.

It's Y2k, with more delicious zesty-thick hot conspiracy sauce!


We should start a fashion line. Ugly orange girls with plastic nails and chiclet teeth will run around chanting the unholy corporate mantra of us, that is to say "2012 is the new y2k OOMGZZZ".

[growingintoyou]

I believe you should always act is if tomorrow is the last day on this Earth. If people acted like that....wait, most people would just grow crazy. I need a second part of that. If people acted like that and they believed in an afterlife that had consequences for their actions, this world would be a MUCH better place. Every one of us needs to look at ourselves in the mirror and try to understand what we can do to contribute to a better world.

[Jennihul]

No one needs to worry. Gregg Braden says that based on current experimental data that only the square root of 1% of any given population is required to change the vibration needed to shift our consciousness and survive or change the outcome of the "endtime" predictions.

We already have multiple times that number of humans ready for the task.

The rest of you can just carry on with your normal lives. We'll take it from here.

Jennifer

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by Barcs

The only thing that is scientifically proven about that date is that for the first time in human's existance, the world will be lined up with the sun AND the black hole in the middle of our galaxy, according to history channel. I wonder what effects this will have?

The alignments on that date are much more interesting than that. There are several alignments happening simultaneously on that date. One is an aligent with the dark rift, whatever that is (on my iphone so i cant copy paste links.) Another is that the earth's wobble will align with the galactic plane of the ecliptic. We will essentially be standing straight up with respect to the equator of the galaxy. One of the events happens every 26,000 years. I forget which. Another occurs every like 13,000 years. The Mayans recorded that the last time this happened a catastrophic event occurred. Many other cultures have foretold the 2012th date for hundreds of thousands of years. And yes, people have prophesied about the end of the world, but never do so many predict the same date, especially a date that has such astronomical (pun) coincidences with uh, astronomy. Furthermore, there have been disasters before, but puleeze! The world is soo much different than it was a hundred years ago. We are on the virge of a united global economy. And the disasters ARE worse tban they ever were in human history. There has to be SOMETHING to this.

[JimOfferman]

I just hope that 2012 is a little more eventful than Y2K... I was a bit disappointed when the much touted millennium bug failed to make an appearance.

[fwellers]

Originally Posted by SmartAlx

The alignments on that date are much more interesting than that. There are several alignments happening simultaneously on that date. One is an aligent with the dark rift, whatever that is (on my iphone so i cant copy paste links.) Another is that the earth's wobble will align with the galactic plane of the ecliptic. We will essentially be standing straight up with respect to the equator of the galaxy. One of the events happens every 26,000 years. I forget which. Another occurs every like 13,000 years. The Mayans recorded that the last time this happened a catastrophic event occurred. Many other cultures have foretold the 2012th date for hundreds of thousands of years. And yes, people have prophesied about the end of the world, but never do so many predict the same date, especially a date that has such astronomical (pun) coincidences with uh, astronomy. Furthermore, there have been disasters before, but puleeze! The world is soo much different than it was a hundred years ago. We are on the virge of a united global economy. And the disasters ARE worse tban they ever were in human history. There has to be SOMETHING to this.

I don't have a source handy, but I have heard that the alignments with the center of the galaxy of which you speak, could very well cause a distrubance in one of the two asteroid/comet belts in our solar system.

[Barcs]

If people acted like that and they believed in an afterlife that had consequences for their actions, this world would be a MUCH better place.

Funny thing about that, is that most people DO believe this, and it still doesn't matter. Everyone's got their priorities (aka money and power).

Personally I think 2012 will be a new beginning, not an end.

[WanderingOak]

Originally Posted by fwellers

I don't have a source handy, but I have heard that the alignments with the center of the galaxy of which you speak, could very well cause a distrubance in one of the two asteroid/comet belts in our solar system.

I am not sure how that could be possible, unless our solar system comes into alignment with the center of the galaxy. The alignment of the Earth itself should not have any affect on asteroids or comets.

[Jennihul]

Originally Posted by JimOfferman

I just hope that 2012 is a little more eventful than Y2K... I was a bit disappointed when the much touted millennium bug failed to make an appearance.

It wasn't a failure to appear. As I recall, there was work done to remedy the situation and we simply prevailed.

Jennifer

[fwellers]

Originally Posted by WanderingOak

I am not sure how that could be possible, unless our solar system comes into alignment with the center of the galaxy. The alignment of the Earth itself should not have any affect on asteroids or comets.

I think that is exactly what will happen. Our solar system will be aligned with the center of the Milky way.

[Barcs]

The way I understand it is that the Sun will be lined up with the center of the galaxy and the earth will be directly in between. The black hole in the center of the galaxy is massive and I wonder if it could possibly pull solar flares towards earth faster and in greater magnitude. It would make sense, and also at that time the sun will be at the peak of its cycle, which means solar flares and other activity will be at its max when this happens.

[SmartAlx]

It's hypothesized that the gravitational effects of the sun and moon has enough of an effect on the Earth that when they are in conjunction (eclipse) they can encourage Earthquakes. The major proponent of this theory has an exceptionally high success rate at predicting earthquakes around the world. The one he is most famous for predicting was the Loma Prieta earthquake that interrupted the World Series of 1989. Now if this theory holds any water, then there is a real possibility that the additional gravitational effects of the galactic conjunction might cause another earthquake or even a volcanic event.

In point of fact, no one fully knows the full effects that a galactic conjunction would have on us, since it hasn't ever happened in all of human history. So it is within the realm of possibility that there could be severe negative consequences when it happens.

You know, there are supervolcanoes. The Yellowstone caldera is overdue to go off, and was somewhat active the last couple of years. If it erupted, it would bring on another mass extinction. I'm not saying that it will blow up, but it is something that some people haven't addressed yet, and the effects would be seen fairly immediately, days before/after perhaps. (A nudging of a comet out of it's place in the Kuiper Belt would take years to make it to the inner solar system - so if this is the big event of DECEMBER 2012, we wouldn't notice the negative effects until several years later. What would be so special about 2012 then? It would be the IMPACT of the comet that would matter, not the initial nudging.)

[Barcs]

That's very true about Yellowstone and other super volcanoes around the world. It's not a matter of IF. It's a matter of WHEN. It will erupt at some point and perhaps this abnormality in gravity could be the deciding factor.

[Joeschmoe]

Not to be too big of a downer but i just did some calculations. Using the biggest asteroid and the mass of the galactic core of 1 million suns (best estimate). The force generated is 2 newtons. Or the same force that the earth exerts on one of those half pint chocolate milk containers.

Considering the mass of the largest asteroid is. 9.1*10^20 kgs. Or 910,000,000,000,000,000,000 kgs. I don't think it's going anywhere fast. In fact it would be accelerating at a rate of 7.91*10^-24 km/second^2. Or 0.00000000000000000000000132 km/h^2. It would take 1.24*10^23 hours to get to 1km/hour or 14,000,000,000,000,000,000 years to accelerate to 1km/hour. That being many orders of magnitude longer than the universe has been in existence.

[babuji]

I simply think that the human race as a whole will be more aware of their surroundings and take responsibility for their actions in the future.

I mean even within the past few years, I've noticed a great change in that people are more conscious of the choices they make, and gravitating more towards spirituality. I simply think by 2012 there'll be a build-up of spiritual energy. So much so, that it probably would result in a more compassionate and service oriented community. I'll even go so far as to say that Spirituality will probably be the new "religion" of choice within the next 5-10 years.

Like I said before, this 'movement' is simply building up steam, and before you know it, it'll start to show the results.. Today we live in an age where in order to make progress, we need to realize the value of Collective Strength. For example, a single brick would break if placed under intense pressure. However, many bricks put together form a strong and magnificent building. Similarly, tiny strands of thread snap easily under minimal force, but if one put these strands together, the collective strength of the resulting rope can even tie down an elephant.

So you can imagine what would happen if we all started to become more aware, and acted with courage, instead of re-acting with fear. So NO, the world is not going to end, but my guess is that it's simply ready for a little makeover

[Jennihul]

Who saw the news about the Chilean volcano eruption?

Big one!

The only amusing thing about it is that volcanic eruptions on that magnitude send so much ash into the high atmosphere that they affect climate for years. The poor global warming hype-oids are going to be scratching their heads when our global temps cool for the next five years.

Me? I'll just be sitting with my glass of wine on my west facing deck watching all the beautiful sunsets the ash will cause.

Jennifer

[Barcs]

Originally Posted by Joeschmoe

Not to be too big of a downer but i just did some calculations. Using the biggest asteroid and the mass of the galactic core of 1 million suns (best estimate). The force generated is 2 newtons. Or the same force that the earth exerts on one of those half pint chocolate milk containers.

Considering the mass of the largest asteroid is. 9.1*10^20 kgs. Or 910,000,000,000,000,000,000 kgs. I don't think it's going anywhere fast. In fact it would be accelerating at a rate of 7.91*10^-24 km/second^2. Or 0.00000000000000000000000132 km/h^2. It would take 1.24*10^23 hours to get to 1km/hour or 14,000,000,000,000,000,000 years to accelerate to 1km/hour. That being many orders of magnitude longer than the universe has been in existence.

Assuming your calculations are correct, I'd just like to point out that there is still A LOT that we do not know about black holes and the universe. I do have to admit though that I've become addicted to the History channel show "The Universe". Very cool stuff.

[fwellers]

Originally Posted by Joeschmoe

Not to be too big of a downer but i just did some calculations. Using the biggest asteroid and the mass of the galactic core of 1 million suns (best estimate). The force generated is 2 newtons. Or the same force that the earth exerts on one of those half pint chocolate milk containers.

Considering the mass of the largest asteroid is. 9.1*10^20 kgs. Or 910,000,000,000,000,000,000 kgs. I don't think it's going anywhere fast. In fact it would be accelerating at a rate of 7.91*10^-24 km/second^2. Or 0.00000000000000000000000132 km/h^2. It would take 1.24*10^23 hours to get to 1km/hour or 14,000,000,000,000,000,000 years to accelerate to 1km/hour. That being many orders of magnitude longer than the universe has been in existence.

However, if one is already headed somewhere near us, and anything happens at all to affect the trajectory of that one, then all your calculations are out the window.

[Joeschmoe]

Originally Posted by fwellers

However, if one is already headed somewhere near us, and anything happens at all to affect the trajectory of that one, then all your calculations are out the window.

Explain? Gravitational effects are additive. The Galactic center in fact has that minimal effect at all times. It will never have more effect. I was disputing the galactic center theory not the fact that we could bet hit by an asteroid. No matter what alignments happen, etc, the effect of the galactic center will be so infinitesimal as to make no measurable difference.

[Joeschmoe]

Originally Posted by Barcs

Assuming your calculations are correct

They almost certainly are not correct in any real sense. There were far too many assumptions made as to masses and distances. It really best serves to show the magnitude of the force we are talking about. We are talking about a force so small that it would be immeasurable by any existing equipment, which is why the galactic core has never needed to factored into equations describing the motion of planetary bodies around the sun. It just has no measurable effect in any comprehensible time scale

[fwellers]

Well I don't know