Should I Follow This 'Religion'?

[LittleFlame]

A couple of days ago I was told about this 'religion', you could call it, and I'm not sure what to believe and who to turn to for answers. My best luck I thought was this forum site.

I know this is a touchy sybject for many, and I am not sure if many people will know of it, but it's called National Socialist Movement. It is a group of people followning what a man started. I will not say his name yet for, it will just be eaiser to explain.
For example, I live in Australia, and we have a lot of legal and illegal immigrants travel into and out of our country. This group, NSM, would belive that these immigrants shouldnt come into our country because they mix races with other nationalites, to live propper lives they need money to build churches and schools to their language and religion standeds. They are just a few examples I was told. It does not just happen it Australia, but all over the world. I belive there is a large movment of people in America following this aswel.
You may know who I may be meaning now, yes it's Adolf Hitler. I was so confused that people all over the world are following what he started. Believing what he did and didn't do, is right. But then the way I was told was so convincing and all the points that were made I thought about and relised that yes it is happeing, but is it...
But now i just feel a pull in my mind to what to belive.
I have never followed a religion or believed in any GOD, but is this the reality of todays, world?

[3nigma]

I think that people who join religions have some fundamental problem with themselves. Maybe a need to be dominated by a 'God' like figure, unconsciously , because they had a rough father figure or something. Or they're brainwashed from birth to believe in the lie from family and such.

I personally believe religion is NOT the answer, no religion. It just turns you into a member of a gang. "My beliefs are right, yours aren't!" Some will even kill you for it, as you obviously know. They're just distorted beliefs about reality, and while you may have a pure heart in your belief, it still doesn't make it right in any way.

Why not just be a free thinking individual? A loving and caring person, who unconditionally loves everyone and enjoys life. That's my take anyway.

[LittleFlame]

Good point, but what if lets just say our race becomes half austrlian half asian? Im not trying to discriminant asians, and not saying it's wrong if they become 'mixed' but isnt that what Hitler was about? Not to mix pure German with jews?

[Akashic_Librarian]

Socialism is NOT a good idea.

Religion is NOT a good idea.

Trust me...i'm a doctor. Now I am going to prescribe Steve Pavlina's podcast No. 13. Beyond Religion!

Listen...and learn.

[Trezker]

So what if races mix? I call it evolution. We're all of the same species, all human.
If white disappears as a race we're not losing a race, we're gaining new races and I'm all for it.

Races aren't so easy to get rid of anyway, just look at american indians. They're still around even though whites tried their very best to remove them from existence. As far as I know whites are the only ones who has systematically tried to erase other races from existence. If there's any race that doesn't deserve to be in power it is us.

Not all whites are bad. But a lot of our leaders through history have shown the kind of inflexibility that causes races to lose their place in the world as it evolves. I think the white race is the dinosaurs of mankind, so if I make mixed race children I think they have a greater chance of surviving than children of pure white blood. That's just a theory I came up with right now. But if I'm wrong, at least a mixed race child does not have any less chances than pure white.

In a time when people can travel around the world in hours and all humans are supposed to be equal. I think we should also be mixing in any way we want and let evolution take care of itself. Cultures and civilications have prospored and died many times through our history and many more will come and go. It's not right to try to stop evolution and the only way to stop it is to destroy all of the universe.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

What's so bad about mixing races and nationalities?

[Joely]

I recommend watching the film American History X, which will give you a very good idea of what the National Socialist (Nazi) Movement is all about. It is, essentially, a means for angry, disaffected people to blame others for what they see going wrong in their lives. It is so much easier to place the blame for perceived misfortune on others than to do something about it yourself. For those who aren't angry and disaffected, it's about power: power over the angry, disaffected people who haven't yet realised they could change their lives themselves if they so chose.

[Tim Brownson]

I can't believe I am reading this. Is it a wind up? When I saw National Socialism I thought 'Surely not THE National Socialism' butyes that is exactly what we're talking about.

You're asking whether you should become a Nazi??

C'mon Little Flame of course it sounds plausible because groups like that aim at uncovering peoples basic fears and insecurities.

I presume you are an Aborigine, right? If not, then you can trace your lineage back to being illegal immigrant too, because I'm damn sure the Aborigines never invited the Brits to send them all the criminals. OTOH, the Aborigines never claim to own the land so they're already occupying the high moral ground. I almost feel like quoting Crocodile Dundee.

[Erki]

Can anyone explain me the basics of socialism(not nazism) in one or two sentences? And why is it so bad?

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Not sure I can explain it well, but this wiki article probably can:

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ETA: I don't actually think Socialism itself is horrible, but I'm not on board with the National Socialist stuff.

[Joely]

Originally Posted by Erki

Can anyone explain me the basics of socialism(not nazism) in one or two sentences? And why is it so bad?

It's not socialism per se that's bad. However, "Nazi" is the abbreviation for the National Socialist Party or National Socialist Movement as it's called now. That's where the word originally came from. National Socialism and socialism are two different things.

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by Joely

I recommend watching the film American History X, which will give you a very good idea of what the National Socialist (Nazi) Movement is all about. It is, essentially, a means for angry, disaffected people to blame others for what they see going wrong in their lives. It is so much easier to place the blame for perceived misfortune on others than to do something about it yourself. For those who aren't angry and disaffected, it's about power: power over the angry, disaffected people who haven't yet realised they could change their lives themselves if they so chose.

It's also a great way for a few enterprising and sociopathic individuals to recruit plenty of angry, easily led (or WANTING to be led) people to both do their bidding and fill their pockets with money, using race as the "medium" for control/manipulation in the same way politicians use nationalism, religions use "God" or "Morality", etc.

[LittleFlame]

Tim, no I'm not aboriginal. And I see your point. Thanks for all the feedback, made me wake up and relise maybe it's not a very good idea. I am now going to try and help the other people relise thats it's not the best idea.

Thanks LittleFlame

[Barcs]

Not all whites are bad. But a lot of our leaders through history have shown the kind of inflexibility that causes races to lose their place in the world as it evolves. I think the white race is the dinosaurs of mankind, so if I make mixed race children I think they have a greater chance of surviving than children of pure white blood. That's just a theory I came up with right now. But if I'm wrong, at least a mixed race child does not have any less chances than pure white

I don't mean any offense by this at all, but I'm pretty sure it's been proven that Africans ("blacks") were actually the the first race of human and white people actually came from a genetic mutation that occurred not too long after the original exodus of Africa to Europe. So they'd actually be the "dinosaur" race. Either way it doesn't matter though. I'm a firm believer in inter racial relations and mixing as much as possible. It is definitely part of evolution. Many people believe that eventually we will all be one race again.

I wouldn't go joining any nationalist socialist movements. There's nothing wrong with socialism itself, but people give it a bad rap because of Hitler, who was essentially fascist. Fascism can occur in a capitalistic system just as easily as a socialistic one, however. Just don't get conned into joining any racist ideologies, because it is pure poison of the mind.

[Brutha]

A couple of days ago I was told about this 'religion', you could call it, and I'm not sure what to believe and who to turn to for answers.

It interesting to see that you turned yourself to a source that was certain to say it isn't a good idea to be a Nazi.
That was a good decision.

It does not just happen it Australia, but all over the world. I belive there is a large movment of people in America following this aswel.

Even when you can say a lot of bad things about Bushs rightwing administration, it isn't national sozialistic.

Good point, but what if lets just say our race becomes half austrlian half asian? Im not trying to discriminant asians, and not saying it's wrong if they become 'mixed' but isnt that what Hitler was about? Not to mix pure German with jews?

Evolutionary progress comes from mixing different genes.

Making arbitary race definitions and expecting that they will also work in the future, is saying no to progress, to change, to movement.
It's very paradox that the Nazis call themselves a movement because their ideology is very static.

In general cooperation between cultures and countries is better than pure competition.
There is a nice video at Ted about the topic.

Can anyone explain me the basics of socialism(not nazism) in one or two sentences? And why is it so bad?

If you want to talk specifically about socialism it would be best to open another thread.

[JimOfferman]

Originally Posted by LittleFlame

Good point, but what if lets just say our race becomes half austrlian half asian?

There is no such thing as a 'pure' Asian or 'pure' Australian. We all stem from the same genetic background. Our species as a whole benefits from the mixing - cue Darwin.

And I think I need not remind you that the Caucasians living in Australia today aren't exactly the indigenous breed...