9/11 Conspiracy Revealed

[4TruthNpeace]

Have you ever wondered why & how the World Trade Center Twin Towers came down so quickly & cleanly?
Have you ever wondered why WTC building #7 (the 3rd building destroyed on 9/11), which wasn't hit by a plane and had only minor damage, was also brought down quickly & cleanly?

If you can remotely say yes to either of these questions, or if you can, at least for a few minutes, allow for the possibility that what we have been told was the cause of the building collapse may not be entirely true, please check out this scientific and unbiased analysis of the events of 9/11.

Richard Gage, 20yr veteran architect from the Seattle area, has prepared a free 2hr video presentation that you can watch which clearly shows, without a shadow of a doubt, that the WTC buildings were brought down by expert demolition, requiring months of planning & preparation.

Please watch: AE911Truth

Thank You,
Jack

[jamestl2]

A member of my forums, In Lak'esh, has also given a lengthy detail on how and why it happened:
9/11 Ad Nauseam - Conspiracy-Forums

[Barcs]

Please watch: AE911Truth

That is definitely one of the better sites out there. Many people argue that there are no engineers that support the conspiracy, however this is simply not the case.

[SuperManny]

Originally Posted by Barcs

That is definitely one of the better sites out there. Many people argue that there are no engineers that support the conspiracy, however this is simply not the case.

Well I'm no expert on this matter, I frankly don't give it that much thought because it's not very empowering to dwell on it, and it's just so obvious to any open-minded individual that there is much more to the story than what the media tells us.

Friends and relatives who travel out of the country much, consistently report that Americans are viewed as 'stupid' and 'incapable of thinking for themselves' for believing what the media tells us. It's no secret that Bush spent billions on the media; telling the exactly what [and what not] to report. Here's an example of where he got caught spending $1.6 Billion, on 'spin', and of course that's only the cases that were admitted to.

As for engineers, I thought they brought in some demolition experts from Texas(?) who immediately announced that there absolutely had to be other explosives involved, and then when their findings got published they published a retraction the very next day, for some mysterious reason. Things like this just don't add up.

[Fullcrum]

I agree - this is bad.

I've researched all that stuff. I conclude basically the same stuff as in the video.

That's why we have to be empowered and take control of our own lives and not expect the government to do it for us.

[LawofAttractionHandbook]

I found this post by accident.

I'm glad to see people are aware enough to see that things aren't the way they're portrayed in the news.

I'd like to quickly give my two cents.

Quite frankly, it all sucks really bad. But you know what, we gotta deal with it. Focusing on the problem will never bring about a solution. Solutions are what we need. And the quicker more people build themself up with positive thoughts, ideas, media, etc. and take total responsibilty for their life, the faster all of us will be able to find solutions.

Oh, and one more thing, if you are an undecided voter, please look at Ron Paul. He's a smart, honest person who wants to give people the opportunity to live their own life without total government control. I think its a great thing what hes doing, and I will be voting for him.

[SuperManny]

Good post, LawofAttractionHandbook! I agree; solutions are never found by simply focusing on the problems. Einstein said the solution is on a higher level of consciousness than the problem.

As for Ron Paul, I definitely agree, I got his sign in my yard!

[Brutha]

Friends and relatives who travel out of the country much, consistently report that Americans are viewed as 'stupid' and 'incapable of thinking for themselves' for believing what the media tells us. It's no secret that Bush spent billions on the media; telling the exactly what [and what not] to report. Here's an example of where he got caught spending $1.6 Billion, on 'spin', and of course that's only the cases that were admitted to.

I think the big problem isn't that Bush spent money on public relations but that "news" programs like FOX have their own agenda which usually doesn't really lie in the public interest.
There are also a bunch of other non goverment rightwing thinktanks that exert a lot of power on the media.
A single person usually can't do much, but a small group of powerful people who work together can do a lot.
But you usually won't see many of the background people in the media.

[Mr.Mustache]

Please people do some REAL research. The 9/11 conspiracy theory has been debunked over and over again. You might not like Bush but what motivation would he have to blow up the world trade center buildings? (Please don't say oil or you will be severely mocked).

[CeciL]

The proof is in the pudding... No one is being held responsible. What are YOU going to do about it? I say we... oh wait a minute I gotta see the latest happenings with Brittney Spears. Then after that I gotta watch that idiotic reality show. Then check my email and MySpace comments. When my Mc Donalds starts to digest I'll be too tired and say screw it. Go to bed and hope someone else takes care of the problem. Because I must wake up go to work and perpetuate the opinions I learned on TV last night.

[CeciL]

Originally Posted by Mr.Mustache

Please people do some REAL research.

uhh it is called physics...

[RTF671]

Funny how the president always takes all the blame. Don't get me wrong - I am not trying to say no one conspired to make 9/11 happen, just that we have thousands working for the US government, hundreds of millions living in the US and billions living on this planet. Any of them could have done that.

It's also a load of bologna that Bush invaded or destroyed the towers for oil. Well, if he did then he really messed that up. Oil has tripled since we got into Iraq and our economy has been maimed by the destruction of the towers. He could have done it because it tickled his fancy or some other whim. But for anyone who got a B in economics should realize that would cost more than the oil there. I also believe that if the invasion was for the oil, the army would have been withdrawn by now.

[qiflow]

Watch the History Channel coverage of the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Popular Mechanics did a pretty good job debunking almost every point. Also, do you really think the government could hide the kind of massive operation this would have taken? Someone would have talked by now. They couldn't even hide the fact that Pat Tillman was shot close range by friendly fire.

[Tasaio]

Originally Posted by qiflow

lso, do you really think the government could hide the kind of massive operation this would have taken? Someone would have talked by now.

It's also possible that the government was purposely lax in security.

How can you "prove" that the government had enough prior knowledge to stop the attack? You can't. Maybe they didn't actually participate in the 9/11 attacks--but maybe they didn't do anything to stop them, either.

It's also possible that those who know that the gov't had prior knowledge (say, in the CIA) are caught between a rock and a hard place. How will it look if it turns out that they could have acted sooner, to prevent the attacks?

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the government had prior knowledge of some sort of terrorist attack. And that, rather than try to stop it, they allowed let it take place, while keeping their own hands clean. As Paul Wolfowitz said, they needed another Pearl Harbour.

Actually, we know that they had prior knowledge of terrorists training to hijack airplanes. How much more they know will remain a mystery until a Democrat is reelected in 2008.

[The David]

Originally Posted by Mr.Mustache

Please people do some REAL research. The 9/11 conspiracy theory has been debunked over and over again. You might not like Bush but what motivation would he have to blow up the world trade center buildings? (Please don't say oil or you will be severely mocked).

Unless you support your claim, to say something has been 'debunked' is basically to not say that it's not 'popular'.

[Mr.Mustache]

Originally Posted by CeciL

uhh it is called physics...

[Dan.Linehan]

Here is a site that debunks practically everything in Loose Change.

Loose Change - Internet Detectives

[Barcs]

Originally Posted by qiflow

Watch the History Channel coverage of the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Popular Mechanics did a pretty good job debunking almost every point. Also, do you really think the government could hide the kind of massive operation this would have taken? Someone would have talked by now. They couldn't even hide the fact that Pat Tillman was shot close range by friendly fire.

Popular Mechanics ignored the majority of the important points and only focused on small irrelevant inconsistencies. They did a horrible job debunking, and they have actually been debunked themselves.

[Barcs]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

Here is a site that debunks practically everything in Loose Change.

Loose Change - Internet Detectives

Just browsing through that site and reading a lot of garbage.

For example:

Osama in Dubai with the CIA

Avery claims that in July of 2001, Osama bin Laden was treated at the American Hospital in Dubai, and was visited by a local chief of the CIA. He displays a screenshot of this article from The Guardian, which cites French newspaper Le Figaro. I couldn't find the original story, but a translation is available here. The "partner of the administration" is unnamed, and there are no corroborating reports from any other newspapers. Additionally, the hospital's director disagrees:

Bernard Koval, the director of the hospital, also denied the terrorist had been a patient there, saying "Osama bin Laden has never been here. He's never been a patient and he's never been treated here. We have no idea of his medical condition. This is too small a hospital for someone to be snuck through the backdoor."

That doesn't prove anything. I would probably deny that as well if I were the hospital director!

The entire section on building 7 proves nothing whatsoever.

Yeah I agree that there's a lot of people out there spreading disinfo, and not everything in loose change is 100% (there are way better films out there anyways), but I have yet to see anyone prove the official story yet. It's not wholly possible to prove either side 100%, but it seems pretty obvious to me that some kind of explosives were used, especially in building 7. If you watch it side by side with a controlled demolition it looks exactly the same.

[Zombie]

sigh Because that's what a structural failure looks like. All a controlled implosion does is weaken a structure to the point of failure. When high rises fail they tend to pancake. It's happened before, without the need for mysterious men in black.

[CeciL]

Found this comic and had to post it here... Can't argue that...

[SuperManny]

Yes I've seen it debunked too. Never very convincingly, because they only want to discuss certain parts of it. Funny how they never talk about who the Chief of Security was for the Twin Towers...

Or the temperature difference between burning jet fuel and the point where steel is weakened enough to actually collapse. Or all the traces of thermite they found... or all the bombs the firefighters heard...

Or the puffs of dust coming out of the windows of all the floors from all the bombs (Yes I heard the concrete dust theory, except I've seen concrete collapse; it doesn't disentigrade into dust, but explosions do). Or why all the security cameras were all turned off at the same time the weekend before, for "maintenance". Funny, they never needed to do this type of "maintenance" before in the entire history of the building. The list goes on and on.... and on.

[BeyondBewildered]

Originally Posted by Mr.Mustache

You might not like Bush but what motivation would he have to blow up the world trade center buildings? (Please don't say oil or you will be severely mocked).

Couldn't be the patriot act. Or gaining public justification for a costly (which means profitable for the rich, his "base") war. Wait, it could.

[tekomino]

I just find it interesting how Ron Paul supporters see 9/11 in this light and see conspiracy given RP's militia support and endorsements over the years...

[Barcs]

Originally Posted by Zombie

sigh Because that's what a structural failure looks like. All a controlled implosion does is weaken a structure to the point of failure. When high rises fail they tend to pancake. It's happened before, without the need for mysterious men in black.

It has? Could you show me a reference? I thought that the Twin Towers and building 7 were the only steel high rise structures to ever collapse "without the aid of explosives".

The pancake theory doesn't fully make sense though. It talks about the trusses failing and causing the floors to collapse onto each other, but does not take into account the core support columns. If it were the trusses failing because of the heat, then the center column would have remained standing. The floors and the columns would have had to fail at the same exact moment for that type of collapse.

[Brutha]

Popular Mechanics did a pretty good job debunking almost every point. Also, do you really think the government could hide the kind of massive operation this would have taken? Someone would have talked by now.

As a matter of fact a lot people have talked by now. You have no criteria to distinguish "real" talkers from the average conspiracy theorist.

It interesting that people like who push those 911 truth theory believe at the same time:
1) Osama Bin Laden was paid by the CIA (or whatever govermental organisation) with is supposed to be backed up through stories like the hospital story.
2) Osama Bin Laden wasn't responsible for the 911 attacks. The claim that the video in which Osama Bin Laden says that he is responsible is a fake etc.

Holding both views at the same time, shows that a lot of those conspiracy theorist simply believe every story whether its true or isn't true.
That makes them untrustworthy when you want the truth about an event.

On the other hand that also exactly how I would try to hide a conspiracy.
Hidding in the open:
Give those conspiracy-theorists plenty of false conspiracy stories about the event.
The conspiracy-theorists will believe your lies, because they want them to be true. Afterwards you go out and debunk a bunch of the lies.
Since the conspiracy-theorists aren't able to distinguish fact from fiction it's enough to created to much information.
By simply showing that the conspiracy-theorists aren't seeking truth (which the film does, when it shows that they got it wrong sometimes) the conspiracy-theorists have no power at all in the public arena.

[tekomino]

People believe what they want to believe regardless of whether it is accurate or not.

Simplest explanations though, tend to be correct.

Theories of government conspiracies are just so wast and have so many moving parts and complexity that "they" would have hard time getting them executed...

I mean look at what happened in New Orleans with that flood and how government reacted... Government in terms of efficiency is like poorly run company...

Conspiracy theories do provide interesting categorization of believers though.

[A2K89]

Originally Posted by tekomino

I just find it interesting how Ron Paul supporters see 9/11 in this light and see conspiracy given RP's militia support and endorsements over the years...

Umm.., what? That was a weird sentence, I don't grasp what your saying..

Clarify please?

Originally Posted by tekomino

I mean look at what happened in New Orleans with that flood and how government reacted... Government in terms of efficiency is like poorly run company...

You seem to be assuming that our government actually cares to protect and help us.

Sorry, but they don't. Which is why the government was not efficient enough to do much good after Katrina.

Saying that because "tha gobament" failed to help people after Katrina, shows they also can't organize an attack on us; is a huge jump in logic.

And of course I'm using the word "government" loosely. Its important to distinguish the charade that is our political system, from the men who are really pulling the strings behind the scenes.

[cybersphere]

There is a mountain of information now available which provides strong evidence that the towers were brought down as part of a controlled demolition. There is no need to recover these points here, as they are covered ad nauseum on other sites.

Loose Change was an OK documentary, which has undergone extensive changes itself over the years as new evidence has been brought to light. 9/11 mysteries was a better overall documentary IMO, but there are many more besides these two.

Remember that no steel framed highrise has EVER fallen due to fires, before or after 911. That in itself is significant.

The popular mechanics article was a piece of shoddy "journalism", which setup a number of straw man arguments that have been thoroughly debunked elsewhere. However, I wonder why we need to constantly refer to so called "experts" to give us our opinions. Don't you trust your own eyes anymore?

I've spent some time trying to understand people who still don't believe 911 was an inside job. These people fall into two camps. First are the obvious shills who are acting as disinfo agents. Naturally, with any real conspiracy, a disinformation campaign will be launched to throw the average person off the scent. Ad hominem attacks are the favoured tactics of the provocateur.

The other group of deniers will be those who simply prefer to live in the dreamland world of makebelieve, where reality is the consensual hallucination created by television. Trying to process anything contrary to this version of reality (Fauxland makebelieve) causes cognitive dissonance, which is a form of psychological pain. Rather than trying to push through this pain barrier, they regress into the safe and comfortable world.

9/11 is the tip of the Iceberg. My channel aims to expose the entire global agenda, which if implemented, will create a utopia for the elite, but a hell for the masses.

Growth involves pain (hence the term growing pains). You can deal with this or remain stunted forever.

[Kiba]

Since i am not a structure engineer, I am going to have to assume that these conspiracy theories are simply false.

They are probably as much false as Kennedy assassination, moon landing denial, holocaust denial, among others.


Now that being said, I don't trust our government because they are incompetent, not because they are malicious.


Don't assume malice when you can assume incompetence.