Ron Paul is Going to Win.

[Dan.Linehan]

That's my prediction.


Here is a poll from AOL with the current primary standings.

AOL Straw Poll: Dec. 21 - Jan. 4


If anyone here wasn't going to vote in the primaries because you've heard misleading polls saying that Ron Paul didn't have a chance, I would urge you to rethink that.

Its going to be close, so if you want your voice to be heard, if you don't think the country is going in the right direction, if you are scared of the 9 trillion dollars worth of debt that we are in as a country, if you don't want China to own our economic well being, then register to vote today, join a local Ron Paul meetup, and get involved!

And, if you don't know who Ron Paul is, check out this video. Its a great introduction to the financial mess we (the US) are in.


"[Fox News] is scared of me... They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative." Ron Paul - December 29th, 2008.


//The peace candidate always wins.

[Dharma]

Thanks, Dan. Yes! Ron Paul is going to win.

[schola]

Right on. 2 months ago I would have said this was wishful thinking. Now it appears that he's got a good shot.

This is an exciting time for our country.

Go Ron!

[Brutha]

Winning an online poll is something different than winning a real poll.
Getting 70.000 people together to vote online is something different than getting a majority in an election.

The peace candidate always wins.

Why was Bush then elected?

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Why was Bush then elected?

Bush campaigned on promises of a humble foreign policy.

[Brutha]

Bush campaigned on promises of a humble foreign policy.

Perhaps in 2000 but he got reelected in 2004 when he certainly wasn't a peace candidate.

Anyway the next week is going to be interesting with the first US primaries. What are your predictions for Iowa/New Hampshire in percent for Paul?

[Dan.Linehan]

I'm going to say a little above 20% in both Iowa and NH.

I'd guess 22% Iowa and 24% NH.

[Brutha]

He got 10%, it doesn't seem good for him, the public pool seems to be right.

[Dan.Linehan]

Yeah, I am a bit disappointed, I thought Ron Paul would get more than 10% in Iowa.

BUT Iowa is frequently not very representative of other states. For example, in 1992 Bill Clinton only got 3% in Iowa and came back to win.

Here are the final results, you can mouse over any county and see the exact figures. Republican Party of IOWA

When you look at CNN's Entrance polls the results really aren't that surprising:

60% of voters were Evangelical Christians, 67% of voters said that Regligious beliefs somewhat to a great deal influenced their vote, and 73% of the voters were 45 years old and older. Lastly, 68% of voters were satisfied to enthusiastic about the current (Bush) administration.

[seeker5]

Ron Paul didn't spend that much time in Iowa in comparison to the other candidates. He went there the least number of times of all the main candidates, and despite that, got more then twice as many votes as Guiliani who is nationally known. I say it's a good day.

- Paul - 27 Appearances, 11,598 votes
- Giuliani - 35 Appearances, 4,013 votes
- McCain - 38 Appearances, 15,248 votes
- Thompson - 75 Appearances, 15,521 votes
- Huckabee - 86 Appearances, 39,814 votes
- Romney - 109 Appearances, 29,405 votes

[Andreas]

I would venture to say that Ron Paul is the most genuinely gutsy candidate. It's a shame that most of the media outlets are ignoring him, but predictable.

But it's premature to guess who might win.

[escapee]

The current monetary policy is like cancer spreading out of control, the entire US/world economy is based on excessive credit expansion (thanks to Fed reserve and the wars) , and that comes at a cost, inflation and the devaluation of US dollars. There will come a time when the the rest of the world view dollars as worthless toilet paper. then like the olden empires, we shall witness another collapse of fiat regimes except that this time it would be worldwide. When that happens, we shall all be prepared to see all of our "paper wealth" turns into junks that nobody wants to exchange with.

Fiat currency is like heroine and it's addictive ( to those in power to wage destructive foreign policy). I think the only time when gold standard is feasible is when the entire fiat system collapses. The history is full of great examples of the demise of fiat and then back to the gold std again.

If fiat is the cancer of monetary system, Gold is the cure .. But i guess it's too late for now, furthermore, RP's chance of winning is very much close to ...... Even if he does win, expect many assasination attempts from the dark side of politics.

# The U.S. Constitution (Section 10) forbids any state from making anything but gold or silver a legal tender. The Federal Monetary System was established in 1792 with the creation of the U.S. Mint in Philadelphia. The first American coins were struck in 1793. The U.S. Coinage Act of 1792, consistent with the Constitution, provided for a U.S. Mint, which stamped silver and gold coins. The importance of this Act cannot be stressed enough. One dollar was defined by statute as a specific weight of gold.
# The Act also invoked the death penalty for anyone found to be debasing money.
# President George Washington mentions the importance of the national currency backed by gold and silver throughout his initial term of office and he contributed his own silver for the initial coins minted.
# The purchase of The US Mint in Philadelphia, was the first money appropriated by Congress for a building to be used for a public purpose. It was purchased for a total of $4,266.67 on July 18, 1792.

History of Fiat Money

[coollikeme]

Your fooling yourself.

[Barcs]

I really wanna see Ron Paul vs. Barak Obama this year. I doubt it will happen though. They didn't even let Ron Paul join the debate.

[m18pak]

I'm not sure about this, but didn't Ron Paul say he would get rid of income tax or something like that?

[A2K89]

Originally Posted by m18pak

I'm not sure about this, but didn't Ron Paul say he would get rid of income tax or something like that?

Hell yeah he did.

Hopefully your not foolish enough to think that is a bad thing.

[m18pak]

Originally Posted by A2K89

Hell yeah he did.

Hopefully your not foolish enough to think that is a bad thing.

Well he should win for sure then. I mean, I'd vote for him if I could and he's really serious about doing that.

[Barcs]

I don't know about that. It would most likely have to get approved through congress, and chance are it will get rejected. If not they(well the US budget) will be losing tons of tax revenue that they didn't earn and don't deserve in the first place. Imagine that! I'm not a big fan of knowing that my money is helping to fund a war that I don't agree with.

[BeyondBewildered]

Pro Freedom? Not if you have a uterus, which I do. He supports (or supported before people called him on it) criminal charges for doctors performing abortion. He also wants to grant rights to frozen embryos, or "save the snowflake babies" as he puts it. Very easy for him to say, seeing as it wouldn't be his reproductive freedoms eliminated. Oh I know, it will be decided at the state level, so it will be the STATE that forces 13 year old rape victims to risk their lives for unwanted babies, ala South Dakota. Maybe he's toned it down a bit, but it's obvious where he's coming from. Just like any Republican, trying to pass his morality into law. It's just a different kind of morality.

That being said, I still kinda hope he wins, and outlaws abortion. I hate the fed, and I think we finally should give the pro lifers what they want. Outlaw abortion, then spotlight the HUGE social and financial cost back alley abortions have caused, and send them the bill.

[Dan.Linehan]

If it came down to a choice between outlawing abortion versus legalizing drugs, I'd choose to end the failed war on drugs in a heart beat. RP is the only candidate to support that.

RP is also the only candidate who seems to be serious about ending the current Iraqi occupation. That (unconstitutional) war alone has cost us 1.65 trillion to date.

Imagine the opportunities we lost with all that money wasted. Universal day care for every child in the US would only cost a fraction of 1.6 trillion (a few billion a year) and would do much to end the panic young mothers feel when faced with an unexpected pregnancy.

[Brutha]

RP is also the only candidate who seems to be serious about ending the current Iraqi occupation.

Why do you think that Obama or Hillary aren't serious about ending it?

[Dan.Linehan]

I strongly support the expansion of our ground forces by adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines.

- Barack Obama


Barack Obama to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs: April 23, 2007

[kat]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

If it came down to a choice between outlawing abortion versus legalizing drugs, I'd choose to end the failed war on drugs in a heart beat. RP is the only candidate to support that.

RP is also the only candidate who seems to be serious about ending the current Iraqi occupation. That (unconstitutional) war alone has cost us 1.65 trillion to date.

Imagine the opportunities we lost with all that money wasted. Universal day care for every child in the US would only cost a fraction of 1.6 trillion (a few billion a year) and would do much to end the panic young mothers feel when faced with an unexpected pregnancy.

I am strongly opposed to the war on drugs. I personally think that Dutch drug policy doesn't go far enough... That said, in a hypothetical universe where the cost of abandoning the USA's war on drugs was the abolition of the availability of legal abortions to those who want/need them in one or more American states, I would not choose the drug legalization.

I agree with what you said on the war on Iraq. None of the candidates still in the race other than him have a decent policy in that regard.

I'm relatively young, and female. Childcare costs during the day would be among the _least_ of my worries if I found myself pregnant and forced to stay that way. (Leaving aside the fact that Ron Paul isn't in favor of government-sponsored care at the federal level...)

Where Ron Paul is Libertarian, he has some very good points. Where he is Paleo-Conservative, he scares the heck out of me every bit as much as Huckabee does.

[kat]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Why do you think that Obama or Hillary aren't serious about ending it?

Foreign Policy In Focus | Hillary Clinton on Iraq has a nice explanation on Hillary's stance. Clinton has also repeatedly mis-stated Obama's position: MotherJones Blog: Clinton Smears Obama on Iraq — Again

Obama has been somewhat more anti-war, as Clinton vs Obama on Iraq - Fact Checker shows.

I honestly don't know what to expect with regards to the Iraq war if Obama is elected -- someone who's watched him more closely might be better able to comment. If Clinton is, I seriously doubt that all troops will have left by the end of her presidency.

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[BeyondBewildered]

I did not realize that there was a separate discussion on Ron Paul and abortion. I didn't mean to derail your thread by over-discussing his position as "an unshakable foe of abortion" as he puts it, but he does consider it "no doubt the most serious sociopolitical problem of our age."

More on this specific topic, does anybody else think that Ron Paul has a pretty good chance of getting assassinated? I mean, it's not like there aren't really powerful, morally defunct, well armed people with assassination experience that created and profit off of very institutions he is trying to abolish. I think this chance is increasing as he does better. Who's he eyeing for vice president?

I do still think he and his supporters are trying to sneak their conservative morality through the back door by heralding all the freedoms he's trying to give us. You'll get the freedoms his morals think you should have, which may or may not be more than what you currently have; I think that is up in the air. He's really essentially going to create mini religious states in my country. Can't wait for Sharia law to be recognized in Dearborn, MI- that'll be colorful. Majority rules! Hope you like your neighbors.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by BeyondBewildered

More on this specific topic, does anybody else think that Ron Paul has a pretty good chance of getting assassinated? I mean, it's not like there aren't really powerful, morally defunct, well armed people with assassination experience that created and profit off of very institutions he is trying to abolish.

I think if he was winning there would be a fair chance. Unfortunately my prediction was off.

Who the heck votes for Huckabee?

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

Who the heck votes for Huckabee?

Teh crazees.

[BeyondBewildered]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

Who the heck votes for Huckabee?

The same people that would be setting up their state's very own theocracy, if they were intelligent enough to vote in their personal interest (for Paul).

I'm starting to think you need to take a road trip through the Bible Belt.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by BeyondBewildered

I'm starting to think you need to take a road trip through the Bible Belt.

Linked that for ya.