Will Submission To SE improves TRAFFIC?

[Gazzali]

I have been with my site for at least a few months and I am not getting enough traffic. Will Submission to Search Engines improves traffic? How To do it?

[jamestl2]

Don't worry about it, submitting to SE's is a waste of time.

Focus on improving YOUR site first.

[Blueskied]

Is your site indexed in SEs already,i.e. can it be found by searching?
Then they already found you and there's no need to submit your site.
EDIT: Just checked, it's definitely in Google.

[bluedragon]

You absolutely must submit to SE's. Google, Yahoo, Live and Ask. Otherwise, no wonder nobody can find your site. However, if they already indexed your pages, then it's OK. However, I doubt they will index every single new page that you create if you've never submitted a sitemap to them (.xml). How wound they be supposed to obtain that sitemap from you?

[ruchirkc]

Originally Posted by bluedragon

You absolutely must submit to SE's. Google, Yahoo, Live and Ask. Otherwise, no wonder nobody can find your site. However, if they already indexed your pages, then it's OK. However, I doubt they will index every single new page that you create if you've never submitted a sitemap to them (.xml). How wound they be supposed to obtain that sitemap from you?

That's 100% wrong advice. It will take weeks for Google to index your site if you manually submit it. It will only take a couple hours if you link it from a social media site like Digg...

And by the way, submitting your sitemap is different than submitting your site URL to the SEs... You should submit your sitemap...

[mistertortoise]

Yeah, the others are right, submitting to the search engines won't do you any good.

To have the search engines rank your site better you need to work on your SEO (search engine optimization). You can find just about all you need to know about SEO for free on Grizzys 'Make Money Online for Beginners' website. Google it if your interested. also check out bloggerunleashed.com

On another note, your site seems a bit lacking in direction, it doesn't really seem to be "about" anything to me. You might have better success if you start a blog aimed at a smaller niche. You have to be steve pavlina to get away with blogging about whatever you want

[sirkinm]

I had no idea that submitting manually to search engines actually did more harm than good! This helps a lot. Thanks for the Grizzy's link, Mr. Tortoise!

[bluedragon]

Originally Posted by ruchirkc

You should submit your sitemap...

Then, it's not 100% wrong advice... maybe only 70%
I think "submitting your sitemap" can be referred to with the words "submitting your site to search engines". Unless I am mistaken. Anyway, not everybody knows about sitemaps. I figured it was a good idea to give this advice.

[Angela Leeds]

FWIW, I submitted my site & sitemap to Google but not to any other search engine. And, oddly, my site tends to rank higher in Yahoo than Google for similar searches. However, I have almost no visibility in Ask or Live.

I'm going to submit to the remaining three SEs this week and see what happens.

[Angela Leeds]

Originally Posted by sirkinm

I had no idea that submitting manually to search engines actually did more harm than good! This helps a lot. Thanks for the Grizzy's link, Mr. Tortoise!

huh?

I checked Grizzy's link and even even clicked thru to another link on his site, but for all his folksy yammering , I didn't take away anything useful. He writes in such a way that someone has to dig hard for it.

[mistertortoise]

Originally Posted by Angela Leeds

huh?

I checked Grizzy's link and even even clicked thru to another link on his site, but for all his folksy yammering , I didn't take away anything useful. He writes in such a way that someone has to dig hard for it.

That is exactly the point. Most people land on his site, are horrified by the bad layout, lack of graphics and google ads and quickly leave never to return. Dig deep though and you'll find the best information about SEO available on the Internet...I'm serious, try it

[Angela Leeds]

Originally Posted by mistertortoise

That is exactly the point. Most people land on his site, are horrified by the bad layout, lack of graphics and google ads and quickly leave never to return. Dig deep though and you'll find the best information about SEO available on the Internet...I'm serious, try it

It wasn't the layout, lack of graphics, or google ads that turned me off. I dug thru two layers of pages and didn't come away with anything valuable. I don't have time for that.

I'm of the mind that if someone really has something valuable to say, it tends to come across pretty clearly...

He has a nice personal "voice", tho, I'll give him that!

[mistertortoise]

Originally Posted by Angela Leeds

It wasn't the layout, lack of graphics, or google ads that turned me off. I dug thru two layers of pages and didn't come away with anything valuable. I don't have time for that.

I'm of the mind that if someone really has something valuable to say, it tends to come across pretty clearly...

He has a nice personal "voice", tho, I'll give him that!

Fair enough Angela, I understand where your coming from. I'm maybe just more interested in SEO than most so I'm happy to spend a load of time plowing through his material.

ric

[Angela Leeds]

Well, I'll keep it in mind, I will... for some time I'm bored and don't mind a little internet perusal.

[Vanessa]

Seriously? Right click disable on a blog?

I wanted to look at your source and run some seo stats on your site to see how you're doing. I still did, just haven't seen a rightclick disable in a long while. usually its from sites that are shady, since everything that can be done from the right click menu is still available to do.

on to an analysis:
You've got great backlinks for this site: 730 and a PR 2 for a site that's less than a year is incredible. I'm very pleased to see that level of commitment and interaction with other blog and sites.

What I saw that explains your problems with traffic: you have no solid keywords in your posts to build any traffic behind.

For example: you recently blogged about earth hour. A timely topic.
Did you know that google has 21m pages for the term earth hour blog post?
You're competing to get traffic with 21 million other pages! how could you get any traffic for that term?

Then I saw you posted about making a blog hot.
Google broad matched that one with 71mil competing pages.

You're a tiny tiny fish in a big ocean with posts like that. There is no way you'd get any traffic writing about topics that are so competitive. Looking at your tags also tells me that your site is not optimized to get less competitive traffic to your blog.

For example your tags on earth hour post had terms like: google, google homepage, awareness and blog. there are 793k sites tagged for blog. how can you compete with that many?

Aside from focusing on writing good content. Focus on being able to dig deeper on a already competitive broad subject. Example, if I were trying to get traffic for the earth hour post, I'd have a more detailed headline with an angle. Something like Earth Hour from Australia to Your Hometown. and write about the town/city/country you're in and how earth hour impacts you right at home. now your post would not be just about earth hour, but earth hour (your city) which will be easier to rank and get traffic for.

Submitting to search engines is not something that will bring you traffic. That just helps you get indexed in the search engine.

To check if your site is an SE do search this phrase:

link:yourdomainname

I checked your url in google and yahoo and your site comes up. you're not indexed by msn and I doubt that it would help you get traffic if you were.

Writing deeper targeted posts on more specific interests over time will bring you the traffic you're looking for.

You have the dedication to writing that it will take to bring the traffic you're looking for I just have a hard time finding the specific direction and momentum you want to have with your site so far.

[ruchirkc]

To check if your site is an SE do search this phrase:

link:yourdomainname

Actually, the query is site:yourdomainhere.com

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by mistertortoise

Dig deep though and you'll find the best information about SEO available on the Internet...I'm serious, try it

That's interesting. I agree, he does have some good seo info on his site but its not something you can't find elsewhere.

Its not congruent with the idea that the blog is about the practical keys to a successful life (taken from the about page after the fluff about this page/blog will change your life).

Maybe that's a too broad purpose for his blog. Maybe if his blog was focused on a successful life with the help of SEO for his visitors that are (asipring) website owners then it would be congruent. Then again if that were the purpose of his blog, SE submissions would not be something a blog like that would be asking about.

[Angela Leeds]

Originally Posted by ruchirkc

Actually, the query is site:yourdomainhere.com

thanks, that helped me. i learned i'm not in ask.com

[mistertortoise]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

That's interesting. I agree, he does have some good seo info on his site but its not something you can't find elsewhere.

Its not congruent with the idea that the blog is about the practical keys to a successful life (taken from the about page after the fluff about this page/blog will change your life).

Maybe that's a too broad purpose for his blog. Maybe if his blog was focused on a successful life with the help of SEO for his visitors that are (asipring) website owners then it would be congruent. Then again if that were the purpose of his blog, SE submissions would not be something a blog like that would be asking about.

I can't comment on his blog not being congruent as I can't find the section you're talking about. Could you post a link so i can have a look?

As for a blog not being congruent because of something that was written in the About page, I'm not sure what relevance that has to the value of the information contained in the blog itself.

btw, if you've got any bookmarks lying around for websites with better SEO info I'd really appreciate if you could post them.

ric

[Vanessa]

Ric,

I looked at his about page (Introduction | Proenrichment) his post on making a blog hot (Case Study : How To Make Your Blog Hot | Proenrichment) then this forum thread about possibly gaining traffic through se submissions and it didn't add up for me to a clear path to the stated purpose. If it wasn't bolded on the about page I would not have put together the purpose from the list of recent posts.

I took the stated purpose as the baseline driver for the content and gauged congruence. I do believe that content should reflect the overall direction of the blog/website's intended purpose. This helps to build a steady readership who will come back to the site for more new posts. Centering content on a purpose helps build the relationship between the author and the readers.

For example, I have a hard time believing a blog is congruent if its a "how to make money" blog where the posts are about how to make money but the writer is not living the path of the information published.

I'd like to hear your perspective on this.

Here are some of the SEO blogs in my feedreader, lots of content from people who are totally congruent in writing about and doing seo:

SEOmoz Blog | Search Engine Marketing News & Tips
Search Engine Guide - Small Business Help for Website Promotion and Increased Search Engine Traffic
Search Engine Journal
SEO blog - SEO Tips, Social Media Marketing for the learner.
Make Money Blogging with Caroline Middlebrook
Small Business Search Marketing by Matt McGee | SEO and Marketing Discussion for Small Businesses
SEO, Web Design & Online Marketing Tips : : Web Profits

[mistertortoise]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Ric,

I looked at his about page (Introduction | Proenrichment) his post on making a blog hot (Case Study : How To Make Your Blog Hot | Proenrichment) then this forum thread about possibly gaining traffic through se submissions and it didn't add up for me to a clear path to the stated purpose. If it wasn't bolded on the about page I would not have put together the purpose from the list of recent posts.

I took the stated purpose as the baseline driver for the content and gauged congruence. I do believe that content should reflect the overall direction of the blog/website's intended purpose. This helps to build a steady readership who will come back to the site for more new posts. Centering content on a purpose helps build the relationship between the author and the readers.

For example, I have a hard time believing a blog is congruent if its a "how to make money" blog where the posts are about how to make money but the writer is not living the path of the information published.

I'd like to hear your perspective on this.

Here are some of the SEO blogs in my feedreader, lots of content from people who are totally congruent in writing about and doing seo:

SEOmoz Blog | Search Engine Marketing News & Tips
Search Engine Guide - Small Business Help for Website Promotion and Increased Search Engine Traffic
Search Engine Journal
SEO blog - SEO Tips, Social Media Marketing for the learner.
Make Money Blogging with Caroline Middlebrook
Small Business Search Marketing by Matt McGee | SEO and Marketing Discussion for Small Businesses
SEO, Web Design & Online Marketing Tips : : Web Profits

Hey,

Sorry,from your post I thought you were saying grizzly's site had some good SEO information but that it was not "not congruent with the idea that the blog is about the practical keys to a successful life" . I agree with you on that with regard to the OP's site.

Thanks for the links I'll check them out.

ric

[Gazzali]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Seriously? Right click disable on a blog?

I wanted to look at your source and run some seo stats on your site to see how you're doing. I still did, just haven't seen a rightclick disable in a long while. usually its from sites that are shady, since everything that can be done from the right click menu is still available to do.

Do you suggest to remove the 'right click disable' thing?

on to an analysis:
You've got great backlinks for this site: 730 and a PR 2 for a site that's less than a year is incredible. I'm very pleased to see that level of commitment and interaction with other blog and sites.

How do you check the backlinks for my site?

What I saw that explains your problems with traffic: you have no solid keywords in your posts to build any traffic behind.

For example: you recently blogged about earth hour. A timely topic.
Did you know that google has 21m pages for the term earth hour blog post?
You're competing to get traffic with 21 million other pages! how could you get any traffic for that term?

Then I saw you posted about making a blog hot.
Google broad matched that one with 71mil competing pages.

You're a tiny tiny fish in a big ocean with posts like that. There is no way you'd get any traffic writing about topics that are so competitive. Looking at your tags also tells me that your site is not optimized to get less competitive traffic to your blog.

For example your tags on earth hour post had terms like: google, google homepage, awareness and blog. there are 793k sites tagged for blog. how can you compete with that many?

Aside from focusing on writing good content. Focus on being able to dig deeper on a already competitive broad subject. Example, if I were trying to get traffic for the earth hour post, I'd have a more detailed headline with an angle. Something like Earth Hour from Australia to Your Hometown. and write about the town/city/country you're in and how earth hour impacts you right at home. now your post would not be just about earth hour, but earth hour (your city) which will be easier to rank and get traffic for.

Submitting to search engines is not something that will bring you traffic. That just helps you get indexed in the search engine.

To check if your site is an SE do search this phrase:

link:yourdomainname

I checked your url in google and yahoo and your site comes up. you're not indexed by msn and I doubt that it would help you get traffic if you were.

Writing deeper targeted posts on more specific interests over time will bring you the traffic you're looking for.

You have the dedication to writing that it will take to bring the traffic you're looking for I just have a hard time finding the specific direction and momentum you want to have with your site so far.

you've said about title keywords and tags... in other words use the keyword which has minimum competition. How to do this?

[Vanessa]

The right click disable looks like a plugin from WP-CopyProtect and is not well received. Personally I would remove it since you can't really stop people from stealing content and you want your ideas to spread with proper credit. See: (WordPress › Support » Don't use WP-CopyProtect)


To check baclinks and PR I use the SEO for Firefox plugin: SEO for Firefox Extension: Free SEO Toolbar Firefox Browser Plugin

I use a commercial app to speed up the process of finding keywords with high demand and low competition.
The way to do this for free is to
Finding how many searches are done on keywords use Google's free keyword tool:
https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal

Compare the results of a phrase match of that keyword in google (query "keyword1") and see how many pages there are.

the ratios I like to look for easier to rank for keywords are
monthly searches between 2400 and 4500
competing page results less than 50k to rank within a few months and less than 100k to rank in 3-6 months

To see how well the top ten are in SEO factors, using the SEO for FF toggled on search for that phrase and you'll see the option to look up the PR, data last crawled and their backlink data from Yahoo. This gives you an idea of what kind of numbers your site would have to have to be grouped with the page 1 results for that keyword.

There are other strategies that you can use to drive traffic but its best do use them once you are sure which keywords you want to go after to build up momentum and really know what sites are also in that niche.

That should be plenty to kick start your quality targeted content to get you more traffic!

[Gazzali]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

The right click disable looks like a plugin from WP-CopyProtect and is not well received. Personally I would remove it since you can't really stop people from stealing content and you want your ideas to spread with proper credit. See: (WordPress › Support » Don't use WP-CopyProtect)


To check baclinks and PR I use the SEO for Firefox plugin: SEO for Firefox Extension: Free SEO Toolbar Firefox Browser Plugin

I use a commercial app to speed up the process of finding keywords with high demand and low competition.
The way to do this for free is to
Finding how many searches are done on keywords use Google's free keyword tool:
https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal

Compare the results of a phrase match of that keyword in google (query "keyword1") and see how many pages there are.

the ratios I like to look for easier to rank for keywords are
monthly searches between 2400 and 4500
competing page results less than 50k to rank within a few months and less than 100k to rank in 3-6 months

To see how well the top ten are in SEO factors, using the SEO for FF toggled on search for that phrase and you'll see the option to look up the PR, data last crawled and their backlink data from Yahoo. This gives you an idea of what kind of numbers your site would have to have to be grouped with the page 1 results for that keyword.

There are other strategies that you can use to drive traffic but its best do use them once you are sure which keywords you want to go after to build up momentum and really know what sites are also in that niche.

That should be plenty to kick start your quality targeted content to get you more traffic!

seo firefox link is something wrong...any other plugin i can use in wordpress to check accurate backlinks

[Vanessa]

The SEO for firefox plugin is an addon and requires the firefox browser (Firefox web browser | Faster, more secure, & customizable)

For an easier way to check backlinks, try
SEO Tools. Link Checker. Check Backlinks for PR, Anchor & Nofollow

I don't use/know of any wordpress plugins that check seo stats, just help optimize for seo.

[mistertortoise]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

SEOmoz Blog | Search Engine Marketing News & Tips
Search Engine Guide - Small Business Help for Website Promotion and Increased Search Engine Traffic
Search Engine Journal
SEO blog - SEO Tips, Social Media Marketing for the learner.
Make Money Blogging with Caroline Middlebrook
Small Business Search Marketing by Matt McGee | SEO and Marketing Discussion for Small Businesses
SEO, Web Design & Online Marketing Tips : : Web Profits

Hey Vanessa,

I had a look at the site but didn't think they were up to the quality of advice on Grizz's blog, but you probably knew I would say that

I did find something interesting on Caroline Middlebrook's site though where she wrote:

"It’s from reading Grizzly’s blog for the last few months that I have learned more about SEO, the importance of backlinks and why I knew my AdSense experiment would not yield good results on this blog."

The Indirect Power of Social Traffic | Caroline Middlebrook

Ric

[Gazzali]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Seriously? Right click disable on a blog?

I wanted to look at your source and run some seo stats on your site to see how you're doing. I still did, just haven't seen a rightclick disable in a long while. usually its from sites that are shady, since everything that can be done from the right click menu is still available to do.

on to an analysis:
You've got great backlinks for this site: 730 and a PR 2 for a site that's less than a year is incredible. I'm very pleased to see that level of commitment and interaction with other blog and sites.

What I saw that explains your problems with traffic: you have no solid keywords in your posts to build any traffic behind.

For example: you recently blogged about earth hour. A timely topic.
Did you know that google has 21m pages for the term earth hour blog post?
You're competing to get traffic with 21 million other pages! how could you get any traffic for that term?

Then I saw you posted about making a blog hot.
Google broad matched that one with 71mil competing pages.

You're a tiny tiny fish in a big ocean with posts like that. There is no way you'd get any traffic writing about topics that are so competitive. Looking at your tags also tells me that your site is not optimized to get less competitive traffic to your blog.

For example your tags on earth hour post had terms like: google, google homepage, awareness and blog. there are 793k sites tagged for blog. how can you compete with that many?

Aside from focusing on writing good content. Focus on being able to dig deeper on a already competitive broad subject. Example, if I were trying to get traffic for the earth hour post, I'd have a more detailed headline with an angle. Something like Earth Hour from Australia to Your Hometown. and write about the town/city/country you're in and how earth hour impacts you right at home. now your post would not be just about earth hour, but earth hour (your city) which will be easier to rank and get traffic for.

Submitting to search engines is not something that will bring you traffic. That just helps you get indexed in the search engine.

To check if your site is an SE do search this phrase:

link:yourdomainname

I checked your url in google and yahoo and your site comes up. you're not indexed by msn and I doubt that it would help you get traffic if you were.

Writing deeper targeted posts on more specific interests over time will bring you the traffic you're looking for.

You have the dedication to writing that it will take to bring the traffic you're looking for I just have a hard time finding the specific direction and momentum you want to have with your site so far.

my ranking drop to 1

[Gazzali]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

The right click disable looks like a plugin from WP-CopyProtect and is not well received. Personally I would remove it since you can't really stop people from stealing content and you want your ideas to spread with proper credit. See: (WordPress › Support » Don't use WP-CopyProtect)


To check baclinks and PR I use the SEO for Firefox plugin: SEO for Firefox Extension: Free SEO Toolbar Firefox Browser Plugin

I use a commercial app to speed up the process of finding keywords with high demand and low competition.
The way to do this for free is to
Finding how many searches are done on keywords use Google's free keyword tool:
https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal

Compare the results of a phrase match of that keyword in google (query "keyword1") and see how many pages there are.

the ratios I like to look for easier to rank for keywords are
monthly searches between 2400 and 4500
competing page results less than 50k to rank within a few months and less than 100k to rank in 3-6 months

To see how well the top ten are in SEO factors, using the SEO for FF toggled on search for that phrase and you'll see the option to look up the PR, data last crawled and their backlink data from Yahoo. This gives you an idea of what kind of numbers your site would have to have to be grouped with the page 1 results for that keyword.

There are other strategies that you can use to drive traffic but its best do use them once you are sure which keywords you want to go after to build up momentum and really know what sites are also in that niche.

That should be plenty to kick start your quality targeted content to get you more traffic!

What do you think of my latest article?

[Gazzali]

Originally Posted by jamestl2

Don't worry about it, submitting to SE's is a waste of time.

Focus on improving YOUR site first.

If you have any suggestion to add it will be appreciated

[jamestl2]

Originally Posted by Gazzali

If you have any suggestion to add it will be appreciated

Suggestion to what?