Stevepavlina.com is worth $192,786

[jamestl2]

…according to smartpagerank. It has many interesting tools such as:
• Domain age
• Indexed Pages
• Traffic stats
• PR Link values
• And of course website dollar value

Just thought I’d share the interesting statistical information the website offers.

[Max Power]

Worth is relative to sale, so therefore the estimate is worthless.

Max

[seeker5]

Not a bad start. Maybe one day he can get its value to equal google.com's value which that site estimated at: "$2,629,203,152".

[Andrew Brunelle]

I don't think anyone could ever surpass Google. They truly are the Wal*Mart of the Internet.

[aussieNickuss]

Originally Posted by seeker5

Not a bad start. Maybe one day he can get its value to equal google.com's value which that site estimated at: "$2,629,203,152".

I reckon Google.com would be worth a hell of a lot more than 2.6 billion. Apart from the fact that Google would never sell it, it would make many more billions than that each year.

[John P]

Steve mentioned recently he's making 40 to 50K a month from advertising and such. Buying it for 200K would be a steal.

[Sam988]

Yeah steve makes 40k-50k monthly on his website. It is worth way more than
200K; no less than 700K, i guess.


And google being worth just 2.5 billion? haha that's a joke. Sergei Brin and Larry Page (google's owners, for the less informed) each has an estimated fortune of around 12 billion, and most of that is from google's stocks, so we can have a small idea of what's google really worth...

[seeker5]

You guys are confusing the company with the website. They aren't saying the company is worth $2.5billion. They're just giving the estimated value of the domain name google.com, not of the company. The domain name google.com can theorically be sold without selling the company, and that's what this estimation is. Whoever bought the domain name would instantly have a gigantic audience for a little while.

[AdamF24]

Yes but the majority of Google's income is from Google.com, so in this case the company and the stock are pretty much the same thing. It would be different if we were talking about a car company and that car company's website (for example).

[CaptainStubbs]

Nobody here believes in the valuations of those site rankings do they?

I own several domains and the values that they give are ridiculously high.

I bet anyone here could spend 3 minutes and find a domain available for registration that is worth $10,000+

As for google.com, interesting discussion on how much the domain is worth... however they'd never sell it for anything less than 10 billion dollar (maybe as high as 30 billion), and its a silly thought because nobody would ever pay that much for it. As for the value of the company itself, it is worth $185 billion as of today.

312 million shares x $595/shr = $185 billion (roughly)

Its sort of like asking how much you could buy the Coke brand from Coke. Doesn't make much sense because its worth the most to the Coca cola company, so you'd never find anyone who'd pay enough for it unless they were crazy....

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by AdamF24

Yes but the majority of Google's income is from Google.com, so in this case the company and the stock are pretty much the same thing. It would be different if we were talking about a car company and that car company's website (for example).

That's like saying what makes StevePavlina.com work is well, stevepavlina.com. In truth, it's the brain who put stuff up on stevepavlina.com that makes it work. Same with google. Google has set up thousands of computers to handle the search, developed very specialized algorithm and created new software that you can access through google.com. Thus this is two seperate value - one is the domain name (because people are in the habit of going to it), the other is the company (all the computers server farm, algorithm, people, buildings, software, etc). The two are seperatable.

[seeker5]

Its sort of like asking how much you could buy the Coke brand from Coke. Doesn't make much sense because its worth the most to the Coca cola company, so you'd never find anyone who'd pay enough for it unless they were crazy....

People will pay billions for brand names. For example, the "new AT&T" is not actually AT&T buying cingular and bellsouth. Rather it is SBC who bought all three companies, and decided that the value of the brand name AT&T is so high, much higher then "SBC", and much higher then Bellsouth and Cingular, that they changed the name of their own company from SBC to AT&T. There are countless other examples of companies buying the brand name of another company just for the name.

[AdamF24]

I understand what you are saying but I still somewhat disagree. When it comes to internet companies, their domain name is their brand name. They can't just create a new domain name and switch their good or service over to that domain name and be able to instantly have the same revenues as before.

Using the Stevepavlina.com example:
Obviously it's Steve's writing ability that has made his website so successful, and not his domain name. But if Steve were to sell his website, the worth of the website would most likely drop as it no longer had Steve contributing to it (and that's why we all read his site). And if Steve republished his work on a new site, he would be going through the whole process of climbing the ranks of the internet's most popular websites. Meanwhile his income would drop significantly as his new website does not have as much traffic coming to it, despite the fact that he is still putting out quality articles. So when Steve ditches his domain stevepavlina.com and goes to a new domain name, his revenues change. By this logic, I believe that a domain name and an internet company are basically the same thing.

Or to put it simply:
An internet company provides a good or service for a fee, but their domain name (basically brand name) is the means for this exchange to occur. If the domain name were to change, there would be issues in this exchange as former and would-be clients would be lost, despite the fact that the internet company still offers the same good or service at their new domain name.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by AdamF24

I understand what you are saying but I still somewhat disagree. When it comes to internet companies, their domain name is their brand name. They can't just create a new domain name and switch their good or service over to that domain name and be able to instantly have the same revenues as before.

The question isn't if they are going to be making less money. The question is the value of a domain name to someone else who wants to buy it and get all links to it and the traffic it gets. For example, what if Steve Pavlina dies, and Erin decide to sell the domain name? There would be a value to someone else to buy the domain name despite the disappearance of all Steve related stuff. Thus the value quoted above wasn't what the website was worth to Steve, but what it could be worth to someone else.

And if Steve republished his work on a new site, he would be going through the whole process of climbing the ranks of the internet's most popular websites. Meanwhile his income would drop significantly as his new website does not have as much traffic coming to it, despite the fact that he is still putting out quality articles. So when Steve ditches his domain stevepavlina.com and goes to a new domain name, his revenues change. By this logic, I believe that a domain name and an internet company are basically the same thing.

You assume Steve would start from scratch. What if Steve bought google.com and replaced everything currently on google.com with this website?? 99.99% of us use google.com and we'd find him there and thus he wouldn't lose us as an audience for the most part (yeah, he'd probably lose a small fraction due to referral links not working anymore) However, he'd gain potentially million of people who'd stumble upon the old google.com and see his website instead. Naturally, steve's google.com would have a lot less of an audience then the original google.com as the interest for a search engine is much more then the interest for personal development. However, Steve's audience could potentially increase substantially by switching domain name to that of google.com.

Yes it's a ridiculous example, but it illustrate my point that the website, and the company/individual behind the website can be considered two different things, even if the income of the company comes 100% through the website.

[jamestl2]

This is how they calculated the website value:

This value is represents the approximate value of the website entered. Of course, this value does NOT include the worth of the company behind the website but rather is an estimated value of the website itself. Some of these valuation factors include: PageRank, traffic, backlinks, age of the domain, directory listings, and other items not shown in the summary above.

So it is not the entire company of google worth that much, just their website.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

I don't think anyone could ever surpass Google. They truly are the Wal*Mart of the Internet.

Given the growth of information, and technology to store and transfer it, I would be very surprised if someone doesn't surpass google...and WalMart for that matter.

Life is abundance and opportunity, there is no limit.

[jamestl2]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Given the growth of information, and technology to store and transfer it, I would be very surprised if someone doesn't surpass google...and WalMart for that matter.

Once someone discovers a better way than using a search engine to find and organize information, that is when Google will become old news, and the company with that new technology will rise to take its place.

Walmart is different though, I think they will begin to go down the tubes when people decide to stop going out to shop, or when a new company finds a way to lower their prices even more and increase their supply. It all has to do with economics, IMO.

[R0b]

I run a website about valuations at Value on the Web: The Ultimate Website Valuation Tool-Home. We base it on historic sales data, because sales numbers are more accurate than anything else. Based on sales, I would say 192K is a steal for stevepavlina.com, if he indeed makes 40-50K per month.

Rob