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06-18-2007, 11:02 PM
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Not too long ago, the Steve Pavlina entry on Wikipedia was deleted and permanently locked. Now it just seems like it never existed. Anyone know the story behind this? Was there ever an entry? What was it like?
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06-18-2007, 11:26 PM
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There was a thread about it here a while back
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06-22-2007, 07:05 PM
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I went ahead and created one: Steve pavlina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It's a stub basically. needs fleshed out. If anyone has time it would be nice to put it in the format of Tony Robbins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. |
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06-22-2007, 07:13 PM
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Hey, Dan. I'm not terribly familiar with Wikipedia...was it deleated by some other person or some kind of 'admin'? Meaning, I guess, is Steve just plain ole not allowed on there? And why on earth would that be?
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06-22-2007, 07:16 PM
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I think the Deleter should explain himself.
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06-22-2007, 07:17 PM
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I sent this for deletion review to the deleter. Quote:
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It looks like as long as we create a page that meets those bio standards we should good to go. | ||
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06-22-2007, 07:22 PM
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Dan covered what I said in the above post...
__________________ I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies. This is the dawning of the rest of our lives. --Green Day The more I see, the less I know, the more I'd like to let it go. --Red Hot Chili Peppers Last edited by {aspiring_to_clarity}; 06-22-2007 at 07:41 PM. |
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06-22-2007, 07:38 PM
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Press release: Steve Pavlina, to join Las Vegas Convention Speakers Bureau Do interviews count as sources? Steve Pavlina Interview - Part 1 | Entrepreneurs-Journey.com by Yaro Starak Steve Pavlina Interview - Part 2 | Entrepreneurs-Journey.com by Yaro Starak Interview with Steve Pavlina The Tony Robbins article has references and external links as well.. |
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06-24-2007, 07:11 AM
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It'll be a ton easier when Steve finally publishes his book - then he can be added as a published author. If you're not that patient, perhaps the avenue is to create an article on the blog itself and argue for its notability. It's probably a lot more widely recognised and referenced than Steve himself. I note that wikipedia itself refers to stevepavlina.com in the following articles: Uberman's sleep schedule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Time boxing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Flow (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Brown rice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Polyphasic sleep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Water fasting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Social productivity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Self-help - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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06-29-2007, 02:45 PM
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My personal opinion is that Steve, a popular blogger, should not be on Wikipedia. They can't have every single person that is known by several people on there. I know there are some people on there with less exposure than Steve, but it's just too much. It's like this people who run on Wikipedia after every current event to record the news on there like they contributed something of real value. It's redundant. All the info of the world should not be recorded on there. That is what the internet is for. You can acquire a great deal of information about anything or anybody. It shouldn't all be recorded on Wikipedia. It is pointless, just go on google. |
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06-29-2007, 05:27 PM
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Another somewhat well-known blogger, Megan McArdle, was recently deleted for the same reason. Her blog post about this sparked some interesting dicussion re: Wikipedia policies. Interesting trivia: As of 14 June 2007, there are 200,144 Wikipedia articles on notable living people. |
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06-30-2007, 12:47 AM
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The most maddening thing about this is that get some sports people who no-one has every heard of listed. Look at this guy Ian Stevens who didn't play at a higher level in Soccer than the English third tier...and look at the length of the entry!  This trivia fact makes him interesting but still a relative underachiever. Quote:
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07-05-2007, 02:03 AM
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07-05-2007, 09:32 AM
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My point was that there is no reason why Steve shouldn't be included if guys like Ian Stevens are.
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07-06-2007, 02:30 AM
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 Though Steve is probably #1 in the field of Personal Development, he's far from the most well-known blogger.According to Technorati the most popular blog based around an identity (ie. not including aggregator blogs like Boing Boing) is Michelle Malkin's Michelle Malkin, followed immediately by Seth Godin's Seth's Blog. They both have entries on Wikipedia. Steve's notability is not due to raw popularity, it's due to his popularity in a particular field - that of Personal Development. P.S. Yes, I know it was a joke.
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07-06-2007, 02:35 AM
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__________________ I am always open for feedback on my posts. If your feedback would go offtopic feel free to send me a Personal Message. My posts generally don't contain medical or legal advice, if you have a problem seek the opinion of an expert Talking about this in terms of “bad news” or “bad judgment by business leaders” seems archaic. It’s like describing World War One as “a serious diplomatic concern.” Bruce Sterling about the financial crisis. | |
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07-07-2007, 01:35 AM
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07-11-2007, 10:26 PM
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At the moment it's borderline. Can people with preexisting Wikipedia cred only who genuinely believe that Steve is notable by Wikipedia standards please add their support to this matter? Note: Spamming by new Wikipedians who are obvious Pavlina fans will not help the situation. The draft article can be found at:Talk:Steve Pavlina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The deletion review can be found at: Wikipedia  eletion review/Log/2007 July 9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThanks.
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07-11-2007, 10:56 PM
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It's very cool reading about Steve's accomplishment prior to launching his personal development career. Lends even more credibility to what he writes about. I also noticed that on the entry about Dexterity Software - it stated that the company was founded in Las Vegas in 1994. However, I thought Steve had moved to Las Vegas only 3 or so years ago? Last edited by seeker5; 07-11-2007 at 11:02 PM. | |
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07-12-2007, 04:46 AM
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Can I ask you guys something? What is the big deal whether Steve is on Wikipedia or not? It's not like Steve will have the "be all to end all" validation if he is on one particular website. People will be able to link up to him through any search engine.
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07-12-2007, 09:09 AM
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And I think you underestimate the significance of Wikipedia. It's not just 'one particular website' - it's probably the largest single public collection of knowledge on the internet. For any topic you plug into Google, odds are that the Wikipedia page will be in the top 2 results.
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07-19-2007, 09:51 PM
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FYI, the deletion review of the Steve Pavlina article at Wikipedia was successful. It was then put through another "Articles for Deletion" round which it also passed. The Steve Pavlina article is now available at: Steve Pavlina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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07-19-2007, 09:59 PM
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By the way, when I clicked on the discussion page, and went to the "deletion review", it shows the original deletion review that was decided in favor of "delete". I couldn't find the link to the newer deletion reviews that was in favor of "keep". | |
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07-20-2007, 10:54 AM
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I've fixed the link now (and learnt a bit about how Wikipedia is laid out in the process).
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08-03-2007, 09:06 PM
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11-28-2007, 12:50 AM
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Looks like the Wikipedia entry has already been defaced. According to the current version, I'm now a famous Russian Internet spammer and scam artist, using the LoA to prey on hapless victims of my deviousness.  It was probably altered by the same guy who's been PM-spamming forums to promote his ebook, since he filled the entry with links to his site. Some of you were PM-spammed by him here earlier this month. I especially like the part about running a games business for 10 years as a cover for my behind-the-scenes scamming operations. That's a new one. The part about being a convicted felon out on parole is new too. As mentioned in the blog, I was arrested once for grand theft but was never convicted of a felony -- just misdemeanors. So alas, I'm merely a miscreant.
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