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Old 05-30-2007, 03:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I read/followed Steve's million dollar experiment with interest and at the beginning of this year set an intention for myself to accrue $100,000 in savings so I'd be in a better place financially and have less stress in my life (to a certain extent, having money = less B.S. in your daily life)

Now, nearly six months later, there's been no noticeable change. It looked for a while like I was headed toward my dream job, working with tv producers, but that fizzled out. Moneywise, I currently have a little over $200 in the bank -- not 200,000, but 200 dollars. About the same financial status as before I got into this intention stuff.

Is it all just nonsense designed to sell copies of The Secret at Barnes & Noble or can someone point me in a better direction? Have my six months of manifesting actually created a shift and now it's just a matter of waiting for the results to come up to the surface reality of life (as the Secret DVD suggests)... or is that marketing hype as well?

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Old 05-30-2007, 03:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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there is no magic appearing out of the air, you cant create smething with thoughts. None whatsoever except beliefs and illusions.
If you see a car you want, you can visualize you being in it and it will maybe motivate your mind as hell to get it, but still gotto follow the rules in phsical reality. Never forget that.The more you think the less you do
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Old 05-30-2007, 03:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It always amazes me that someone can believe that they can sit on their butt… do some positive thinking… repeat some affirmations… and poop… the wishes will come true…

Mind you…LoA does work… it does tend to move you in the direction where those dreams and aspiration will come true… but it will not do it all completely by itself…

“Faith without work is dead.” Unless someone takes massive action toward achieving big goals… they simply will not manifest…

LoA is a tool… a fantastic tool… hundreds of thousands of people have used it successfully… I have used it successfully… but again… to achieve something great… you need more than just one tool… you have to use everything at your disposal… and do it with passion, faith, energy and perseverance…

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Old 05-30-2007, 03:51 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Yeah Loa is just a tool , it's one of the many tools that people use to achieve their goals in life. Edison failed 1000 times before he invented the light bulb. Now go fight like a spartan in your life !

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Complaining about the Law of Attraction not working is just like guarunteeing that it won't work in the first place. Or so they say.

Regardless of your view of nature, I think it's best to assume responsibility for your reality. Didn't manifest a million bucks? You're better off not blaming Steve, or the Universe, or Oprah for advocating The Secret. Handing your life's responsibilities to an external Law -- one you're not even convinced is true! -- is a recipe for failure.

Myself? I'm not really convinced of the LoA in the new-age, "mystical energy" sense. However, it seems to be a consequence of a subjective reality worldview, which itself is very interesting. Specifically, listen to Steve's podcast on the true nature of reality, and follow his line of reasoning as to why the common notion of objective reality is based on assumptions we can't exactly prove, and how the SR alternative becomes difficult to dismiss.

With an open mind, I followed the intention-manifestation model and for the first time in my life experienced some very real synchronicities, which scared the hell out of me. On the other hand, I noticed that some bigger things I worked on didn't manifest so well. Perhaps the time they took to manifest outlasted my patience.

Perhaps. Who knows?
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Remember that in order for the Law of Attraction to work, what you are "intending" must be congruent with your beliefs. You may be stating an intention for a million dollars, but if you still hold a belief in scarcity, nothing much is going to happen until you address that limiting belief.
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Remember that in order for the Law of Attraction to work, what you are "intending" must be congruent with your beliefs. You may be stating an intention for a million dollars, but if you still hold a belief in scarcity, nothing much is going to happen until you address that limiting belief.
We all know that faith can move mountains... however the question remains... how do you get that faith...???

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We all know that faith can move mountains... however the question remains... how do you get that faith...???

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I think one of the best ways to gain faith in LoA is to try little things first. For instance, it's much more difficult for most of us to believe that we can manifest a million dollars through intention alone. (And, in truth, there is more to to the workings of LoA than intention.) That disbelief shows up as resistance and tends to negate the intention. However, it is often much easier for most of us to imagine a much smaller thing, such as finding five dollars, or a good parking space, or a green feather showing up in our experience.

I have found that going for those smaller things, and watching as they manifested again and again, builds up my faith or belief that it really works. As my belief gains, so do my manifestations. It's an upward spiral.
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I have found that going for those smaller things, and watching as they manifested again and again, builds up my faith or belief that it really works. As my belief gains, so do my manifestations. It's an upward spiral.
I don't think that the question should be, does it or does it not work... but, how much should we depend on LoA...

I am a strong believer in LaA... so long as it is associated with adequate efforts... small effort for small objective... but, massive action for life changing goals...

That is what I believe in because that is how it has worked for everyone that I ever heard off who had used it successfully... and, I have been around literally hundreds of persons who did...

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I am a strong believer in LaA... so long as it is associated with adequate efforts... small effort for small objective... but, massive action for life changing goals...

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I tend to share your beliefs on this matter most of the time. I'm working on it, but it's really wild how powerful a standing belief can be, even in the face of evidence to its contrary.

On the occasions when I have been able to forget or otherwise dismiss the "fact" that I have to work hard for what I want, I have had extraordinary results.

What I think happens is that we believe that we cannot think something into existence without hard work and LoA says, "Okie doke! You cannot think something into existence without hard work!"

Ultimately, the Law of Attraction is very generous. We get to be right about all of our beliefs. My goal is to change my limiting beliefs into things I want to be right about, because so far, I've had astonishing first hand-experience that it works.
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I don't think that the question should be, does it or does it not work... but, how much should we depend on LoA...

I am a strong believer in LaA... so long as it is associated with adequate efforts... small effort for small objective... but, massive action for life changing goals...

That is what I believe in because that is how it has worked for everyone that I ever heard off who had used it successfully... and, I have been around literally hundreds of persons who did...

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Okie. I am a storng believer in LOA and power of thoughts and I have manifested enough things to know that it works. I have even changed my behavior and patterns like getting rid of smoking, drinking etc.....I am now working on bigger goals and as mentioned here, the hard part is getting rid of conflicting beliefs.

Since you brought up the topic of how we can build faith, I would like to know more what you did to build faith. The way I handle this is by trusting myself more and more by finding out the real cause of the belief and using affirmations and positive thinking to override it.

Any other effective methods/thoughts???
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Old 05-31-2007, 02:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Thats the good question, where is your Million Dollars?

Here is how I see it and it makes sense to me. In order for LOA to work you need to allow it to work. Well, duh

If you desire money, you need to have a way for money to come into your life, the more money you need the more incoming ways you need.

Think of it in like this... To get electricity into your house, you need electric grid connected with wires to your house. Unless this connection exists you can wish as much as you want but there ain't nothing coming in because there is no way for electricity to come in. You need to take action and build wired connections to your home to get it. No way around that.

If you want redundancy for electricity you need to create additional sources, backup generators, adding additional connections and such. If you need to consume more, you need to improve your connections, thin wires can carry only so much.

Same applies to LOA. You desire money but how does that money come to you? Usually unless you steal it, you exchange the something for it. Have you created the ways for money to come to you? Create new product, service, start a new venture to create a way for money to come to you. Perhaps your incoming "wires" are too thin to carry the amount of money you desire. You need to rework them, strengthen them.

If you just sit and wish, good luck, very little will come to you because there is no road for things to travel to you. You must allow things to come to you by creating the pathways for them to reach you. Many and better pathways will result in better and richer connection.

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Okie.
Since you brought up the topic of how we can build faith, I would like to know more what you did to build faith.
The very best way to build faith in LoA (or whatever you want to call that technology/art/science) is to share with people who have been successful using it...

I was fortunate enough to attend many seminars with those successful people... and when someone flies in with his own plane (preferably a small jet) you tend to believe what they say...

I talked to people who retired at age 30... with million dollar home and driving Ferrari... I talked to people who were financing skyscrapers... I talked to one who build and fully paid for a Chiropractic College in less than nine years...

Conversation with these people tend to make a believer out of you...

So, I would say that if you are really serious about developing your faith... seminars is the best way to go...

Best of luck to you...

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Myself? I'm not really convinced of the LoA in the new-age, "mystical energy" sense. However, it seems to be a consequence of a subjective reality worldview, which itself is very interesting.
If you think about what you want, (aka finish your book), you are more likely to finish it, since you'll have it more on your head and be more motivated. If you drive in your car (and I have experienced it myself), and instead of getting angry when some other car does a dangerous manoeuver or steals your parking space; you don't get angry, forgive them, and start thanking and feeling gratitude for having a car, for being alive, for everything... You don't let the anger raise, you keep calm, so you are more likely to drive better, with less problems, and find a new parking space sooner. Law of attraction works for people a little bit like Christianity for societies (do not kill, do not steal, do not commit adultery and such). If you follow it, things are due to go better, (supernatural powers aside), because you'll be acting in a way that is better for you. I don't know if it's because of supernatural powers or what, but you apply the things you read in The Secret, and life is easier and smoother. Because of the one consciousness, or because YOU control YOUR consciousness all the better? I don't know. I know it works.


As for money... Before you ask the intention-manifestation model for money, you should think if you really want it. Yes, I mean it. One thing is wanting a million dollars, and a very different thing would be thinking you want a million dollars only because you are scared of not having enough money when your mortgage bills come.

In time, I realized I didn't want money. I want self-realization. The only reason why I want money is because of the fear of lacking important things, full stop. So, as I don't want a million dollars, but to pursue my purpose in life, I will only get paid as long as I follow said purpose. After all, if I have only one life, I don't mean it to be a life described as "someone who got a million dollars".

If you have problems manifesting your wants, you should check what you want. I know, I know it's ridiculous to think that you don't really want a million dollars... But if you think big, a million dollars is naught.
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Where's my million dollars, Steve?
Hey David,
Why are you blaming Steve ?

It's your world, you're inside your own universe.
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I read/followed Steve's million dollar experiment with interest and at the beginning of this year set an intention for myself to accrue $100,000 in savings so I'd be in a better place financially and have less stress in my life (to a certain extent, having money = less B.S. in your daily life)

Now, nearly six months later, there's been no noticeable change. It looked for a while like I was headed toward my dream job, working with tv producers, but that fizzled out. Moneywise, I currently have a little over $200 in the bank -- not 200,000, but 200 dollars. About the same financial status as before I got into this intention stuff.

Is it all just nonsense designed to sell copies of The Secret at Barnes & Noble or can someone point me in a better direction? Have my six months of manifesting actually created a shift and now it's just a matter of waiting for the results to come up to the surface reality of life (as the Secret DVD suggests)... or is that marketing hype as well?

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Well I can tell you that from my experience, doubting it can happen will get you nothing, and asking if it is all just nonsense to sell stuff is doubting that it is possible, nothing is going to work if you don't truly believe that it can.
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INow, nearly six months later, there's been no noticeable change. It looked for a while like I was headed toward my dream job, working with tv producers, but that fizzled out. Moneywise, I currently have a little over $200 in the bank -- not 200,000, but 200 dollars. About the same financial status as before I got into this intention stuff.
Much emotion money is (doing my Yoda improv ) This is why (I believe ) LoA, IM, emotion and thought are not creative and do very little except validate choice, conscious choice. I've been saying this quiet a lot here on the forum for I consider it of vital improtance (go figure ) so if you want $200K you have to choose it, don't intend, don't emote, don't think it, know it, know it like you know the sky is blue, know it is done, no doubt, no denial. There it is, easy, quickly and done.

Then you will observe (that's all us humans do) it be created, yes you will observe things changing, yes you will see yourself working towards it and yes that will be amazing and very awesome, but conscious choice creates instantly, the rest is the enjoyable observation.
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Why is this Steve's fault?
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Are you asking me or daveangeles?
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People think it is just think about what you want and it will be. But you have to spend your whole time getting into the lifestyle you will live when you get wherever it is you want to be. You have to become that person you visualize. And that will not happen without action. You can't just sit around thinking about how you want a million dollars, you need to put yourself out there in the real world and go for it.
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People think it is just think about what you want and it will be. But you have to spend your whole time getting into the lifestyle you will live when you get wherever it is you want to be. You have to become that person you visualize. And that will not happen without action. You can't just sit around thinking about how you want a million dollars, you need to put yourself out there in the real world and go for it.
Very well said Andrew... the results will be directly proportional to the efforts that you put it... and, as a wise old monkey once said, "There ain't no free lunch."

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Very well said Andrew... the results will be directly proportional to the efforts that you put it... and, as a wise old monkey once said, "There ain't no free lunch."

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Lol...........!

A monkey may have said that, but Quantum physicists say all possible states exist simultaneously. Superposition

Errrrr....I'd listen to a Physicist instead of a monkey....
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People think it is just think about what you want and it will be. But you have to spend your whole time getting into the lifestyle you will live when you get wherever it is you want to be. You have to become that person you visualize. And that will not happen without action. You can't just sit around thinking about how you want a million dollars, you need to put yourself out there in the real world and go for it.
I can't agree with that, it sounds like westernised-consumerism-brainwashing, the whole concept of hard work and direct proportional effort to output is completely incorrect in my opinion.

The easiest money and some of the largest sums of money I've ever seen were incredibly easy to manifest, hardly any work, very little effort, not much thought and not much emotion and they all came with the after affects of guilt as another harmful social conditioning.

Preconceived incorrect notions of hard work, pain and suffering are the enemy of manifestation. Nobody respects anyone who makes good very easily and that is why we fail consistantly.
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The easiest money and some of the largest sums of money I've ever seen were incredibly easy to manifest, hardly any work, very little effort, not much thought and not much emotion and they all came with the after affects of guilt as another harmful social conditioning.
Can you substantiate where some people made some large sums of money where it only took "manifestation, hardly any work and very little effort." I would love see some proofs of that...

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Don't get me wrong... I am a staunch believer in LoA... I know first hand that it does work... because it has worked for me... big time...

That being said, I must also say that I have had the good fortune of meeting literally hundreds of very successful people and hear their stories first hand... and, I have yet to find one who succeeded without taking massive action and work with passion and dedication...

I am saying this because I believe it is totally wrong to influence someone into believing that there is a magical formula for success... you simply cannot make success suddenly appear out of thin air... no way...

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I believe it is totally wrong to influence someone into believing that there is a magical formula for success... you simply cannot make success suddenly appear out of thin air... no way...
Show me where I have stated that. In fact who has ever said that.

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You mean like the LoA and IM, magical formulas like those?
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Show me where I have stated that. In fact who has ever said that.
You said that right here in post #23... and I quote,

"The easiest money and some of the largest sums of money I've ever seen were incredibly easy to manifest, hardly any work, very little effort, not much thought and not much emotion..."

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I think seeing synchronicities is a choice. It happens whenever someone develops faith in a power (any power) greater than themselves because they start noticing more of the things around them. I don't think reality actually changes, your perception does and it increases your confidence and deepens your faith. If we think of money making as a skill, then the same studies that show improved test scores in children who are falsely told they are gifted would make LoA effective. Unless it's psychologically tied to ethics and generosity and love all LoA can create is a bunch of rich jerks though.
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you simply cannot make success(money) suddenly appear out of thin air... no way...

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Sure you can.
I'll tell you how.

You're convinced you can't because you believe as everyone else........you believe in Time and Motion.

Time is an illusion as is Motion.

You're not a physical being moving thru the world, you are Experiential essence pulling Experiential experiences towards you. Forever.

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Sure you can.
I'll tell you how.

You're convinced you can't because you believe as everyone else........you believe in Time and Motion.

Time is an illusion as is Motion.

You're not a physical being moving thru the world, you are Experiential essence pulling Experiential experiences towards you. Forever.

I think that my Bulldog makes more sense than you do...

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