Another sticky question

[DaveTyler]

This one is for all those of you, who firmly believe their thoughts can alter reality as they want.

Let's say you want a specific girl that you just met, but she is in noway attracted to you and she's married with kids.
Would you still be able to attract her into your bed by thoughts ?
Can you change other peoples minds? Cause if you can't, you cant claim to change circumstances around you that are being observed by thousands

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

This one is for all those of you, who firmly believe their thoughts can alter reality as they want.

Dave... anyone who believe that they can alter reality as they want have a big, big problem...

You can attract certain aspect of your future... but, it is far from being an absolute method of getting the things that you want... if it were, we would all be millionaire, driving red Ferrari and married to the most intelligent and beautiful girl in the world...

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[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

This one is for all those of you, who firmly believe their thoughts can alter reality as they want.

Let's say you want a specific girl that you just met, but she is in noway attracted to you and she's married with kids.
Would you still be able to attract her into your bed by thoughts ?
Can you change other peoples minds? Cause if you can't, you cant claim to change circumstances around you that are being observed by thousands

Even from an OR standpoint, don't you change other people's minds and thoughts with your own whenever you talk or interact with them?

[Jill]

You might be able to, but you might also want to be careful what you wish for!

[DaveTyler]

NO even if you wish you couldnt, except maybe in some extreme circumstances you could send a single thought through telepathy to someone, but thats not changing their minds at all.
I'm just trying to mock the EgoGod view many unfortunately believe in here so they can see that their off track and have to rethink their situation.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

NO even if you wish you couldnt, except maybe in some extreme circumstances you could send a single thought through telepathy to someone, but thats not changing their minds at all.
I'm just trying to mock the EgoGod view many unfortunately believe in here so they can see that their off track and have to rethink their situation.

That's really nice, you have no respect for anyone's different POV, so you are mocking them and then you want desparately to push your alternative POV down people's throats and get all upset when people don't thank you for you trying to save them from their own opinions and beliefs which they are free to have and voice.

Wake up to yourself Dave, you're entitled to your POV, but mocking people are trying to belittle them because you don't have the capacity to respect their POV is hardly a grown up way to behave no?

Max Power

PS Can you form an adult opposing POV without swearing at people and suggesting that they are on drugs? I'd like to see you try. You seem to be constantly trying to start a fight, why is that??

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

This one is for all those of you, who firmly believe their thoughts can alter reality as they want.

Let's say you want a specific girl that you just met, but she is in noway attracted to you and she's married with kids.
Would you still be able to attract her into your bed by thoughts ?
Can you change other peoples minds? Cause if you can't, you cant claim to change circumstances around you that are being observed by thousands

I'll take a shot at this even though you admit you're trying to change everyone's mind by mocking them (very mature) have you ever thought of something and it happened? Anything? There's your proof, some will call it conincidence, some call it God's will, some call it SR/LoA/IM

If you put your mind to it, you can do anything. You can change someone's mind if you want to, you just have to look at it from a consciousness POV, not a mind POV.

Max

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by Max Power

I'll take a shot at this even though you admit you're trying to change everyone's mind by mocking them (very mature) have you ever thought of something and it happened? Anything? There's your proof, some will call it conincidence, some call it God's will, some call it SR/LoA/IM

The fact that *sometimes* things happen which you thought about is not really a proof of LoA. And not even LoA says that you can automatically get anything that you want! (which would include the beautiful girl.)

Edit: I'm not agreeing with DaveTyler's attitude; only his position.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by AidanMatthews216

The fact that *sometimes* things happen which you thought about is not really a proof of LoA. And not even LoA says that you can automatically get anything that you want! (which would include the beautiful girl.)

As I understand LoA I would have to say the exact opposite. The LoA works 24/7 it's hardly something you can turn on or off. Thinking it works only sometimes is a self limiting belief.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong, but I doubt it

Max

[DaveTyler]

I respect anyones point of view, Im not mocking the person who believes in it, Im mocking the belief itself. Its a big difference...
I just want to help people get out of their delusional thinking does that make me disrespectful?

Anyway Max remember you manifested me "mockin you" isnt it yourself mockin yourself? If you gonna claim EGO GOD status you gotta take responsibility for all ************ in the world, not just happenin to you, but kids dying is infact you killin them in your head. Your personally responsible in your head... And Im disrespectful for trying to open your eyes to see that your not? Ok man unmanifest me:P

The only way you can "unmanifest" me is by either ignoring my posts or stop coming here. Eitherway YES THEN YOU DONT PERCIEVE ME IN "YOUR REALITY" ANYMORE. BUT I STILL EXIST IN REALITY. See what im tryna say?


Edit: but ofcourse its your choice Im just offering you a chance to rethink what your really believing in man. Your all alone in the universe.. Fun? I think that if EVERY HUMAN on earth dissapeared you'd kill yourself with loneliness cause then you would really see what you believe in

[Bitsy]

Actually, none of your questions on this topic have been "sticky," because they all betray your fundamental lack of understanding of the entire topic and its usefulness when applied in life, and I think it has not been possible for anyone to explain it to you so that you can understand, because you have firmly rooted the decision in your mind that the ones explaining it to you are delusional and you are right.

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

I respect anyones point of view, Im not mocking the person who believes in it, Im mocking the belief itself. Its a big difference...
I just want to help people get out of their delusional thinking does that make me disrespectful?

You clearly are being disrespectful. Mocking, not mocking... what you are doing, whatever you want to call it, is disrespectful. Because you qualify your behavior with words to distract from the emotions in your words, it does not detract from the ill-will and sarcasm that come through in your posts.

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

The only way you can "unmanifest" me is by either ignoring my posts or stop coming here. Eitherway YES THEN YOU DONT PERCIEVE ME IN "YOUR REALITY" ANYMORE. BUT I STILL EXIST IN REALITY. See what im tryna say?

The mere fact that you believe that people who apply SR in their lives actually believe that you cease to exist when they are ignoring you proves the point in the first sentence of my post. What it boils down to is that someone who is ignoring you does not give a flying fig that you continue to exist outside of his/her subjective reality. You have no influence or importance in that person's life or in their reality. Nobody is literally believing that you have ceased to exist in the world.

P.S. To be clear, I want to specify that the latter paragraph is applicable for me personally, if not for others who apply SR.

[Max Power]

It seems to me that you want to stop people trying to understand something that you feel threatened by and/or is beyond your comprehension, calling someone delusional, too me is disrespectful.

Anyway Max remember you manifested me "mockin you" isnt it yourself mockin yourself? If you gonna claim EGO GOD status you gotta take responsibility for all ************ in the world, not just happenin to you, but kids dying is infact you killin them in your head. Your personally responsible in your head...

Okay, firstly I have never claimed anything especially being God, thinking that kids are dying and I'm killing them shows how little you understand anything related to SR.

And Im disrespectful for trying to open your eyes to see that your not? Ok man unmanifest me:P

Unmanifest you, again shows how little you understand SR, I cannot uncreate anything I've created.

The only way you can "unmanifest" me is by either ignoring my posts or stop coming here. Eitherway YES THEN YOU DONT PERCIEVE ME IN "YOUR REALITY" ANYMORE. BUT I STILL EXIST IN REALITY. See what im tryna say?

What you're actually saying is that as a projection of consciousness, you only exist when I am aware of you.

Edit: but ofcourse its your choice Im just offering you a chance to rethink what your really believing in man. Your all alone in the universe.. Fun? I think that if EVERY HUMAN on earth dissapeared you'd kill yourself with loneliness cause then you would really see what you believe in

The really tragic part is that you don't have any understanding of SR even on a basic level. SR doesn't say I'm alone in the universe, SR is a POV of reality based on consciousness being primary and reality being a creation of consciousness.

Truth be said, you are the doubting voice of my consciousness, screaming out to be heard for fear of complete acceptance of truth.

Everyone Loves
Max Power

[DaveTyler]

Bitsy, read up,I said this is for the ONES WHO BELIEVE THEIR EGO GOD. Not for those who got other view on SR, maybe you should read and understand more.
There are actually people like Max here who believe he is the only conscious human on earth.

So you can create the whole universe but cant "uncreate" a single person just because Steve told you to? Listen to yourself you havent even given this a thought, you read it like the bible and now you cant stop defending it.

Another thing bitsy, READ ffs I said I mock the belief, not the person, same as I mock rascism, is that wrong too? I dont judge their spirit I judge their belief. god damn

And Max, you have got consciousness wrong, cause you relate it to your ego. Identify with consciousness and live from it and we can talk more..

[Shindra]

There seems to be a bit too much anger here for rational discussion.

@ DaveTyler - Mocking people isn't likely to make them change their minds. And, calm down, please.

[DaveTyler]

Im not mad Im laughin man.
and again READ before speakin, I do not mock people, I mock the belief that states "I make the universe, Im your maker"

[Adrienne]

Lets just stay away from the name calling ok...
We can disagree with ideas, but we dont attack people.

Adrienne

[Akashic_Librarian]

Dave you remind me of a friend of mine, One day he is absolutely resolute he knows better than everyone else in this or that, he mocks me, tells me i am wrong, calls me names and things, and I just wait it out patiently...eventually, a few days later, maybe a few weeks, it all depends...he will strike up a convo and apologise for what he said, explaining how some event occured and how it opened his eyes. I don't resent him for it. I honour his stead fast belief in himself. And I honour you Dave for your own belief, its a respectable and noteworthy quality, in all truth it humbles me to see you have such conviction in your own knowledge.

Now let me say just this, Subjective reality is a hard thing to understand it, and I think most people on this thread are at fault for assuming they know more than anyone else, me included. But your hostility was obviously going to cause resitance and a smart man like yourself knew that deep down but you let your own emotions get in the way...now you say to people go and READ, but read what? So few people even intelligently discuss this and even fewer seem to understand it even slightly, so thats why we listen to Steve, he seems to get it, yeah Dave.

And I will echo what people have said before but everyone has their own POint of View and opinion and with something so theoretical and untested as SR and LoA...Its all so hard to pin down you know?

So next time you wanna lash out at people Dave, just think that so many of us are struggling to find answers that fit, just as you are, we are all in the same boat here and you can't sink one persons end of the boat, without sinking your own!

[DaveTyler]

Listen if I have offended anyone: IM SORRY truely. This is not my intention.
But if u believe ur all there is, I mean seriously rethink it a bit.
If you close your eye visualize you flying out in space and land on the moon, will that happen in reality? Ofcourse not, so how can you say that you create reality with your thoughts?

[Akashic_Librarian]

There we go Dave I am much more willing to talk to you now


Ok people arn't saying you can just imagine anything into existance. Its more like future path clearing, things that go against your intention get pushed a way and things that are compatable with your inteions get pulled forward. You can ignore them if you want, but they will be there to be taken, you just gotta take action yeah.

But if you imagined landing on the moon, who knows, you might just win tickets for the first commerical flight to the moon

[DaveTyler]

Haha yeah. True, but lets say you visualized things like flying, havin magical energy floathin out your fingers, can make any specific girl fall inlove with you, it would never happen cause it doesnt fit reality.

Lets say a girl focuses on how much she hates you and you focus on how much you love her. It would never work, but then SR comes and say "yeah it would cause you can mind control her" like wtf

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

So you can create the whole universe but cant "uncreate" a single person just because Steve told you to? Listen to yourself you havent even given this a thought, you read it like the bible and now you cant stop defending it.

I was defending nothing. I was trying to explain it.

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Another thing bitsy, READ ffs I said I mock the belief, not the person, same as I mock rascism, is that wrong too? I dont judge their spirit I judge their belief. god damn

I did read what you wrote. If you read what I wrote, you will see that I said it does not matter what you say you are doing, it does not matter what you wrote as justification. If you read what I wrote, you will see that my point is that your writing is hostile and sarcastic, and the content of your writing is irrelevant to my point.

[Akashic_Librarian]

In my opinion Reality is not as solid as we think, its not totally subjective, but its not totally objective either, because of this I cannot obviously imagine a magic ball of lfoating energy right infront of me, the idea is perposterous I totally agree, but with work, practice and little bit of LoA appliacted in the affected area, three times a day and before bed, I might just be able to bend reality a little in my favour.

And your totally right Dave, I cannot make a girl fal in love with me. But if I went and asked her out, bought her flowers, took her to a nice restaurant and kissed her goodnight, then hell I may have set the ball rolling, you get me? Intention Manifestation can be viewed in so many different ways, and I like to see it is a sort of push in the right direction, its not gonna solve the worlds problems, buts its gonna make them easier to manage

[DaveTyler]

Yeah but that is more logic, even the most skeptic man on earth understands that to make a girl fall inlove with you when she hates you from before is to try to impress her, but thats not mental power, thats logic. Common sense.
What subjective reality states is that every thought u have create reality and thats nonesense.
Otherwise there would be dinasaurs, dragons, witches and ************ flying around in every family home with kids. Get what Im saying? Imagination IS and will always remain IMAGINATION and will never manifest itself.
Now if a thing in reality, like there is 10 cards turned downwards, and on one of them theres a letter, and if you pick the right card you win a house or whatever. HERE I can participate in a chat about "creating circumstances of or attracting" something from reality, but you never created it.
Think about it you dont even create a drawin you draw, you didnt make the pencil nor the paper, you just moved the pen to "make" a picture. Thats how reality is really. We can only "make" things with our physical body. The only thin the mentality really do is chose what to, how to and when to do it.
Also what about those who have nightmares over and over again of bad things(this is the strongest visualization the mind can make) how come it doesnt manifest?
The problem with SR is that if your going to believe in the version Steve made, all logic oes out the window, your back in kindergarden.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Otherwise there would be dinasaurs, dragons, witches and ************ flying around in every family home with kids.

When out of the body, lucid dreaming, before birth, and after death, this happens easily.
Thats where all these images of "fantasy" ideas come from. Away from physical reality, they all exist.

But this realm has rules we all agreed to before being born, but "Some of the rules can be bent, some can be broken".
from the Movie The Matrix.

Dave.
You're bringing up good points.
To what point can someone who's mastered this plane, bend the rules?

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Dave.
You're bringing up good points.
To what point can someone who's mastered this plane, bend the rules?

From my experience, to the point that his/her beliefs allow them to. In other words, beliefs = limits. First step is to seperate your existance from your beliefs. When you realize that you are NOT your beliefs, you stop putting so much importance on them, and become open to having your beliefs changed. When that happens, magic reveals itself.

The reason the rules can be bent/broken, is because we created them in the first place. The *REAL* question for those who've already experienced this to be true is WHY.

[DaveTyler]

Yea ofcourse if people want to go into an alternate reality and be stuck there this whole life time, GO A HEAD.
Ive seen psychotics who believe they can heal like Jesus, in their head/"subjective PERCEPTION" they did,but in REALITY they did not and was lockedup for years. Havefun man, Im not even gonna argue against you. havefun with dragons man.Tell you what, if you film it , Ill start listenin to you

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

When out of the body, lucid dreaming, before birth, and after death, this happens easily.
Thats where all these images of "fantasy" ideas come from. Away from physical reality, they all exist.

But this realm has rules we all agreed to before being born, but "Some of the rules can be bent, some can be broken".
from the Movie The Matrix.

Dave.
You're bringing up good points.
To what point can someone who's mastered this plane, bend the rules?

Why is this realm so dense? In dreams you can create just about anything, but here it's more challenging. Is that the way we've chosen it, to make it more interesting rather than just having god powers in a physical reality, I'd imagine that would become boring very quickly.

Can someone really fly at will, but they don't share that with anyone for fear of being locked up. If you could fly or manifest amazing things instantly would you go around sharing that information with people? I think the kind of person who could master this plane isn't the kind of person who would brag about it.

Max

[DaveTyler]

IT CANT BE DONE YOU ARE IN PHYSICAL REALITY WITH PHYSICAL LAWS...
Why do you believe Lawofattraction is anymore"LAW" than law of gravity.

Simple explaination of law of attraction, if you are attracted to someone thats attracted to you, YEAEEEEAY YOU WILL MANIFEST A RELATIONSHIP; WAY TO GO GENIE.
If 1000 people in a city love the same band and theres a concert YEAAAAAAAAAAAAY AGAIN U MANIFESTED A TICKET AND MEETING LIKE MINDED PEOPLE.

Sorry I must be special, I figued out this in kindergarden... :P its scary are most people seriously that low on logic? OR is it that after LoA blew up it changed peoples reality so much that they no longer understand 2+2=4 and it cant be changed by thinking it will, ofcourse you can change the number 4 with 5 in your head just to mess yourself up further and believe your god. But to everyone elseit will still be 4

If flying and ************ could be done we would live in a complete other world....Anyway Ill say 2 last things: If I have offended anyone, I am sincerely sorry and please use logic dont jump of a building in an attempt to prove me wrong... I got love for anyone, but ofcourse just like all of you, I have my right to speak my mind. Ill try to keep a nicer "tone" in further and future discussions

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Haha yeah. True, but lets say you visualized things like flying, havin magical energy floathin out your fingers, can make any specific girl fall inlove with you, it would never happen cause it doesnt fit reality.

Lets say a girl focuses on how much she hates you and you focus on how much you love her. It would never work, but then SR comes and say "yeah it would cause you can mind control her" like wtf

Instead of mocking an idea, why not just point out, politely and rationally, why you think it's wrong? Regardless of who/what you think you're mocking, and why you think you're doing so, any kind of mockery is really unnecessary to make your point and convince others. I understand entirely why you may want to rid others of what you see as a delusion. You are entitled to your own opinion, and you can even try to make others feel the same way, if that's what you're after. But I guarantee you if that's your goal mockery will not help in any way--because it is perceived as offensive, all you can do is lose credibility and respectability. Are you out to hurt an abstraction's feelings, or do you want to show that it's incorrect? Those are two very different aims.

[DaveTyler]

Its two things really, one is that while acting like I have people must realize "how can I have created someone who is mocking me?" but yeah Ive said sorry I never meant to make anyone feel bad or anything. Im used to more offensive forums. Ill speak softer in the future

Also I see many of these believer in SR believe in enlightenment, but that means you must believe in karma, which throws you subjective reality in the trash, cause that means KARMA is causing like 80% of what is happening in your life...
I have given like 20 examples of why SR from ego perspective can't be truth alll I get back is "IM GOD STFU I CREATE YOU" and the more creative version "YOUR GOD THE ONLY CONSCIOUS ONE, NOT ME" trying to fool me into your cult like a crazy Jehovas Witness person....