One Consciousness, 6billion minds?

[DaveTyler]

Isnt this the way to really describe it. The consciousness is everywhere, but we as individual got our unique and individual minds and bodies?

[InJoy]

Interesting idea! I like it.

It leaves me with a couple of questions.

When you say:

Isnt this the way to really describe it.

What do you mean by "it"? Life? Subjective Reality?

Also, wouldn't we have to redefine consciousness for this to apply? I ask because I recently had surgery and was put "under". I lost "consciousness". Or did I? By the constraints of this idea of yours (or any that hold that ours is a part of a larger consciousness) what did I lose when I closed my eyes and under drug induced sleep, seemed to lose two hours of my life?

[DaveTyler]

Great question Ive always wondered the same thing.
But yeah your body/mind lost consciousness, but YOU ARE consciousness.
But I think its a great question ill look further into

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by InJoy

I ask because I recently had surgery and was put "under". I lost "consciousness". Or did I?

InJoy, I think your consciousness would have been dimmed, rather than lost. You probably would have been aware of being enveloped in a kind of mental fog (the effect of the drug). You would have had no option but just to wait quietly till the effects wore off. When you are asleep normally, you are conscious in dreams and on the astral plane. You just don't remember most of it when you wake up (i.e. when you are back in your body).

[mysterygal]

I think that is a much better way of describing it Dave. When a budhist teacher says "we are all one," he is only partially true. We are all distinct, and unique individuals. However, if you were to remove all thoughts, all traces of a personality and just sit there in silence - you would see what that budhist teacher mean't. What is left? The answer is pure awareness. As soon as thoughts start popping into your head, your individuality will return and the seperation will continue. Since that awareness is the same for everyone, it would make sense that we were all derived from the same source. So, maybe a better way of putting it would be: We are all one consciousness made to think we are seperate.

[Erock]

Originally Posted by InJoy

I lost "consciousness". Or did I? By the constraints of this idea of yours (or any that hold that ours is a part of a larger consciousness) what did I lose when I closed my eyes and under drug induced sleep, seemed to lose two hours of my life?

Basically, your body was no longer capable of having consciousness move through you. You didn't lose consciousness, you are consciousness. The brain didn't receive consciousness, so you could no longer perceive the world.

Just a thought
Erock

[infinitethoughts]

Good job, Dave for bringing this topic up.

mysterygal is right.
I think using the word pure awareness is better then consciousness, because that implies that the 'background awareness' is a seperate consciousness.

.........Which then leads to the word 'god'.......which then leads to thinking the 'background awareness' is an individual.........which then leads to thinking one is created........which then leads to...........

[Mark Lapierre]

Hehe I've seen the same thing said in just about every thread about SR. Why is it now suddenly clear?

[DaveTyler]

Nah it hasntbeen clear, many people misunderstood it all and thought they were the only conscious human being and people have started believing that just by thinking "Oh its sunshine" when its infact a tropical storm outside it'll all change in a matter of seconds. Lol

[Mark Lapierre]

Ahhh well, as long as even one more person understands more completely, it's a good thing. To me it still says the same as it says since I first began to think I understood.

Regardless of the language used (God/pure awareness/consciousness/energy vs. ego/individual consciousness/body&mind) the concept is unchanged. The language used simply paints a picture of the concept, and different language paints with different colours and brushes. However if you take a step back you can see similarities despite the differences. Those similarties are the real picture, and one which, judging by all the confusion, no-one has drawn in a way which everyone can clearly see.

[DaveTyler]

The problem is that this is ancient knowledge, learned by spiritual people mostly. So when its explained in a western fashion western people are bound to misunderstand it. I misunderstood the concept of it and knew it was wrong right away. I didnt misunderstand really I was misinformed like everyone else here.

The best way I can describe it is simply:
We are all connected, cause consciousness/god is one, this does not mean you as your ego
all people are real, your not worth more than others.
the world existed millions of years before you were born
Everyone has consciousness, thoughts, feelings, freewill, opinions JUST LIKE YOU. YOUR NOT SPECIAL.
Everyone has their unique personality
Thoughts alter reality if you take action upon them, yes.
Law of attraction is true to some point, but if you focus on a dragon or some other fantasy ************, it will never ever manifest.
If you sit on your ass looking at a picture of loads of money it will not manifest without action.
You cannot alter other people.
You are not GOD, by this I mean "you" as in ego, when you have connected with God/source/whatever and have become enlightened, there is no longer any YOU or thoughts to alter anyway.
So if you are still thinking and referring to yourself as a person, you are not "the one"

[Mark Lapierre]

*thumbs up*

[JJH]

Originally Posted by Erock

Basically, your body was no longer capable of having consciousness move through you. You didn't lose consciousness, you are consciousness. The brain didn't receive consciousness, so you could no longer perceive the world.

Just a thought
Erock

I love what you said Erock, you don't lose consciousness, you lose "body!"

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Erock

The brain didn't receive consciousness, so you could no longer perceive the world.

You are always conscious somewhere, whether you are in your body or not. It is perfectly natural to still be able to perceive the world, standing outside of your physical brain and body. You don't need a brain to perceive it (check out: out of body experiences, remote viewing, bi-location, astral travel).

[InJoy]

Originally Posted by Cantando

You are always conscious somewhere, whether you are in your body or not. It is perfectly natural to still be able to perceive the world, standing outside of your physical brain and body. You don't need a brain to perceive it (check out: out of body experiences, remote viewing, bi-location, astral travel).

Going back to the induced "unconscious" state of anesthesia, I had no sense of time at all. I stayed awake as long as I could and I remember looking at the lights and all the busy people getting ready. The very next thing I knew, I was in recovery. It was as if it were moments later.

It seems like, under circumstances of such complete separation from the physical mind, this would be a ripe opportunity for astral projection, etc. Yet, that was not my experience.

I was feeling fear when I went under. I wonder if that had anything to do with it.

Oh heck, I don't know!

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by InJoy

I was feeling fear when I went under. I wonder if that had anything to do with it.

Some things are best forgotten, until such a time as you are strong enough to confront them. During one operation as a child, I looked down on my body on the operating table. I heard the doctor say, 'He's opened his eyes, give him more gas'. Later, I woke up remembering nothing. Since then, I remember having travelled over a sea of fire, and it was very painful. That's where my consciousness was during the operation, under the effects of gas.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

The best way I can describe it is simply:
We are all connected, cause consciousness/god is one, this does not mean you as your ego
all people are real, your not worth more than others.
the world existed millions of years before you were born
Everyone has consciousness, thoughts, feelings, freewill, opinions JUST LIKE YOU. YOUR NOT SPECIAL.
Everyone has their unique personality
Thoughts alter reality if you take action upon them, yes.
Law of attraction is true to some point, but if you focus on a dragon or some other fantasy ************, it will never ever manifest.
If you sit on your ass looking at a picture of loads of money it will not manifest without action.
You cannot alter other people.
You are not GOD, by this I mean "you" as in ego, when you have connected with God/source/whatever and have become enlightened, there is no longer any YOU or thoughts to alter anyway.
So if you are still thinking and referring to yourself as a person, you are not "the one"

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with at least 80% of what you've written here. Your understanding is based on logic and thinking, not experience. It is the first step to truly understanding SR and LoA, but it is not the final step. The problem you have is that the above beliefs you hold onto so dearly are exactly what creates the reality you live in, in which they are true. However, it doesn't mean they are true for everyone. They are only limitations you've built around yourself, much like the unawakened NEO in the movie The Matrix.

Although I've already discussed these points on countless occasions with others and found it to be quite fruitless because most people with these limiting beliefs cling onto them like life itself, if you DO ever want to test your theory that they are correct, try breaking them to see if it's possible. TRY "altering" other people as you call it. TRY changing the weather. TRY creating someting of fantasy in your world. TRY imagining a world that didn't exist for millions of years before you were born, but only becomes alive while you're conscious of it, just like a dream.

It is only when you open up yourself to the possibility of "WHAT IF" that you start to experience some of these events that will completely fry your mind and make you question everything you just wrote above. I've already proven to myself that it works, but it can only be EXPERIENCED, not told about. You simply won't believe anyone until you experience it for yourself.

[DaveTyler]

No man, Im seeking enlightenment not mental hospitals.
I know physical reality isnt TRUTH, no doubt man.
About experiences: ive had the most intense experiences of what reality is man, but Im not running around saying Im God because of it. I have subjective EXPERIENCE of Absolute reality, yes.
Yes I can manifest a million dollars if I start thinking about it 24/7 and start acting upon it. But wtf I dont want million dollars, doing so is creating more illusions, Im seeking truth, your seeeking illusion.


What many people dont get is that this is ancient knowledge, there isnt any more knowledge to be found, this ************ is THOUSANDS of years old. People thinking its new and unexplored is what makes people confused. Read upon buddhism, theyve knownt it for 2500 years. Theres no point in making it fancy with comparing it to Matrix, that causes the Hollywood fiction picture in your head.

Do you believe your the only conscious human? Only one who experience the world? Only one who got the right to speak, think feel and have opinions? If not Im not here to argue with you, Im arguing against those who infact believe so

I thin the problem is that people are in their ego and try to say "i am all there is" which isnt true before you have gone enlightened and lost ALL sense of "ego self". Just the fact that we're on here arguing proves none of us has reached that state and reinforcing the ego will never take you there

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

No man, Im seeking enlightenment not mental hospitals.
I know physical reality isnt TRUTH, no doubt man.
About experiences: ive had the most intense experiences of what reality is man, but Im not running around saying Im God because of it. I have subjective EXPERIENCE of Absolute reality, yes.
Yes I can manifest a million dollars if I start thinking about it 24/7 and start acting upon it. But wtf I dont want million dollars, doing so is creating more illusions, Im seeking truth, your seeeking illusion.


What many people dont get is that this is ancient knowledge, there isnt any more knowledge to be found, this ************ is THOUSANDS of years old. People thinking its new and unexplored is what makes people confused. Read upon buddhism, theyve knownt it for 2500 years. Theres no point in making it fancy with comparing it to Matrix, that causes the Hollywood fiction picture in your head.

Do you believe your the only conscious human? Only one who experience the world? Only one who got the right to speak, think feel and have opinions? If not Im not here to argue with you, Im arguing against those who infact believe so

I thin the problem is that people are in their ego and try to say "i am all there is" which isnt true before you have gone enlightened and lost ALL sense of "ego self". Just the fact that we're on here arguing proves none of us has reached that state and reinforcing the ego will never take you there

Seeing as your mind is already made up, the only thing I have to say is have a nice life and enjoy it to the fullest limits your beliefs allow without ending up in a mental hospital.

Take care.

[DaveTyler]

If you visualize a dragon, according to SR a dragon will INSTANTLY appear in your kitchen. Go to the doctor and say "man I can create anythin in reality with my thoughts only THERE IS NO LIMITS" See what Im tryna say?
What about us with obsessive thoughts? I have a friend who is obsessed about turning gay, hes afraid of it I keep telling him its impossible, but it causes him distress 24/7. I myself have obsessed about a billion things, none of which ever happened, So I can tell you thoughts has no effect on reality except when you ACT upon them. And obsessive thoughts is the most powerful thoughtsthere is.It repeats in your head for weeks, yet they never happen. Thats why I hate the concept of subjectivereality,cause it gets you startin to believe in the delusion.

Theres a guy who obsessed about becoming a fish, he was so convinced in his mind that he was a fish that he went to take Xrays and constantly researched fish for 2 years to see if there was any way he could be a catfish since he walked on land.
Ofcourse it never happened, or yeah it happened IN HIS MIND. Cause thoughts can fool you, yea but never EVER create reality cause there is no "YOUR REALITY" thats EGO claiming its own reality.
What about hypochondriacs who CONSTANTLY believe their ill and suffering from diseases and the doctors repeatedly prove them wrong.

Explain these things for me and Ill start believing you

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

If you visualize a dragon, according to SR a dragon will INSTANTLY appear in your kitchen.

This shows you don't understand SR. It's not as easy as just visualizing a dragon and then POOF, one appears. There is probably 8,000 different beliefs that you already have in your subconscious mind that will prevent you from materializing a dragon in the kitchen, so you would actually first have to overcome those before it appeared.

If you ever want to be able to make dragons in your kitchen, start with manifesting something smaller that will give you a "Holy crap, that's neat!" feeling, instead of a dragon in the kitchen which would give you a "Holy Mother of Christ this is ****ed up, my life is over!" feeling.

Play with little things, not dragons. Little things will lead you down the path you seek, without breaking the path.

Go to the doctor and say "man I can create anythin in reality with my thoughts only THERE IS NO LIMITS" See what Im tryna say?

Not really. Firstly, why exactly would I go to the doctor? In your world, do you consider doctors to be the wisest people you know and therefore think in terms of "If my doctor thinks I'm crazy because I think this way, it must mean I'm crazy."? Doctor's aren't really that smart. They are simply smart at the thing that they specialize in, based on the teachings that have been taught to them. THat doesn't mean they know everything about everything.

To fully grasp SR, you need to firstly realize that there is no one smarter than you to "check with", because there is no-one else.

[DaveTyler]

No one to love, no one to be loved by. Haha man, sorry to say that your wrong, but its cool. Live in your mind, one day youll go psychotic.
I remember once as a little kid I had EXTREME highfever and saw planes landing in my garden, did it happen? NO, it would crash the whole ************ing house,b ut I believed it as Iw as a little kid. Thats proof enough for me.

The "I" you are referring to are the ego, it doesnt create ************ but beliefs and thoughts and physical body actions.
The "I" you try to get is God, but you havent got it..If you did you wouldnt even refer to "i".
And why are you here tryin to convince me that you are God when infact I dont exist in "your reality"? Thats what I dont get...


Remember even your God Steve Pavlina has said he dont claim that theres only one avatar.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Live in your mind, one day youll go psychotic.

Uhm, ok.

The "I" you try to get is God, but you havent got it..If you did you wouldnt even refer to "i".

Ok, so "I" don't get it, but "You" get it. Cool.

And why are you here tryin to convince me that you are God...

I am? I'm not trying to convice you that I'm God. You are.

Remember even your God Steve Pavlina has said he dont claim that theres only one avatar.

ROFL. My God Steve, hahahha. Oh man, that's funny. I thought you just said that I was trying to convince you that "I" am God. So how can "I" be trying to convince you that "I" am God, when you seem to think that I believe that Steve is God.

You're a funny guy.

[DaveTyler]

Andyeah I "get it" but I havent GOT IT tothe point where Im enlightened. The "I" Godhead is shared by ALLLLLLL living things in the universe. So until you get rid of us all sorry you have NO power to create dragons. the "I" you relate to is the ego, its individual, but EVERY living thing got their own ego.
Ok class dismissed

[Max Power]

One consciousness and 6 billion minds? That seems to imply that consciousness breaks itself up into 6 billion pieces and then defines itself by only my piece, my awareness and deny's that there are other parts of consciousness that are equal to mine being represented by all the other human bodies/minds.

Steve says regarding SR "You're the only one who has thoughts, you are the only thinker, when someone has a thought, that is you having a thought and projecting that thought onto them and they then simulate that thought"

This seems to say that the one consciousness is your and yours alone and as consciousness you create, maintain and interact with everything of your creation, but consciousness is yours and nobody else's

A contradiction me thinks

Noodle baking stuff

Max

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

So until you get rid of us all sorry you have NO power to create dragons.

Now that's a challenging statement Maybe real enlightenment is when you realise that you are god and the whole thing was just a bunch of goo you made up because you got bored with floating around in godland.

Life is a ride back to perfection.

Max

[infinitethoughts]

Well I'm movin back to Hawaii to get back to my beloved.
Surfing !

Screw you guys !

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

but EVERY living thing got their own ego.

Yeah......I'm reading this awesome book by an aussie "sheila" who up and decided to learn about Camels and trevass the Australian Outback by herself.

Cudos to her !

And the way she describes her camels and their personalities is PRICELESS !


EDIT
Oh and she decides to take a baby crow to make it her companion, but the tricks it played on her was hilarious.
She was happy when it decided to find other friends.
Lol.