Why Logic Always Fails You (Blog)

[Savage]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Steve Pavlina's blog:

Why Logic Always Fails You

[cheesedip1]

I think "one", "with or without you" and "vertigo" by U2 are good songs.

I also like "One" by Creed. That song really hit home with me.


-Good article, btw.

[supertom]

This was a fascinating read especially the part about how the heart over-rides the mind. I'm curious if there is any other part of your body that have a emotional part to it as well.

(ignore thinking with your dick jokes)

[Elfwing]

My priority list from coherence is more like this:


1. Hobbies, writing, art (When I think of them from coherence, I picture myself taking my time with them and enjoying the process rather than rushing it.)
2. Daydreaming
3. Relaxing
4. Connection
5. Fun


Why yes, I AM a self centered person. :P

Now, if I wasn't deathly terrified I wouldn't get any schoolwork at all done if I went on a coherence trial (I have to be dragged kicking and screaming to it), I'd do it. :/

[Asten]

Originally Posted by Elfwing

My priority list from coherence is more like this:


1. Hobbies, writing, art (When I think of them from coherence, I picture myself taking my time with them and enjoying the process rather than rushing it.)
2. Daydreaming
3. Relaxing
4. Connection
5. Fun


Why yes, I AM a self centered person. :P

Now, if I wasn't deathly terrified I wouldn't get any schoolwork at all done if I went on a coherence trial (I have to be dragged kicking and screaming to it), I'd do it. :/

"Start with the principle of power, which means diving in and taking action right away. No excuses. No hesitation. Just go.

If you don’t feel quite ready, go anyway. If you have a really good reason not to go, go anyway. If other people don’t want you to go, go anyway. If you don’t have time, go anyway. Nothing happens till you’re in motion. If you stumble, trip, fall, or otherwise fail, that’s fine. You’ll learn from it.

Fail because your lack of skill or some genuine obstacle knocked you back. Don’t fail because you defeated yourself in your own mind.

Do your best, and let that be enough. There’s no shame in doing your best and falling short. There is shame in holding back." - Learning Music – Day 12

[prototype]

Welcome back, Steve.
Lots of musical references in this article for some strange reason...

Interesting new trial, I hope there will be regular updates.

[prototype]

Originally Posted by supertom

(ignore thinking with your dick jokes)

Actually this would be a very important topic, although not really relevant to what this article was about.

You have mentioned the one and only body part that's able to paralyze the brain completely and take charge of the body - sometimes with devastating results. Maybe one day Steve will write an article about this.

[ArthurHung]

Steve nails it again

It's all energy management, Tony Robbins talks about it, power up your state! Do something! *winks and fist pump*

That's all you need in life really. It's all emotion, energy, whatever you'd like to call it. It's in my every conversation, every action, it's in this post, it's reflected in everything you do because you can't separate your action from your energy as this post explained so well.

That's assuming you get your broader perspective, you are clear on who you are, your burning desire is on-lock and your concentration on your mission is dead-set, I-will-die-for-this-at-this-very-moment-for-what-I-stand-for, it's already done, a sense of 4-sureness is in your blood.

When they sync up, what do you get? So much you don't need to think about or care about. A life driven by ever increasing levels of growth-clarity-connection and awesome, the life of a celebrity.

Love you guys

[Warping]

Was inspired to draw this.

[danas]

This blog made me happy. I dont know why, Im not even sure I understood it all as I had about 3hours of sleep last night.

If I look at my actions, my 5 top priorities at the moment are:

1. Creating
2.Advancing my creative career: sending emails, writing applications, making contacts, getting my work "out there"
3.Connecting. meeting new people and spending time with them,
4.Learning a new language
5.Consuming culture (going out to see dance, theater, art and cinema) and traveling
& Also Spritual/recreation : Spiritual practice and swimming, biking, watching the sunset

After that:
7. eating healthy, looking good (includes shopping).
8. Dealing with finances
9. Connecting with family and old friends.

I spend very little time at the moment doing anything else. i watch 0 hours of TV maybe 2 films a month, and I only come to this site and facebook once a day. Also, Im away for my normal environment so I dont spend much time with old friends and family. Only skyping occasionally.
At the moment Im giving very little attention to finances. Luckily this area always sorts itself out, and mostly I just get paid to do whatever I love through grants, sales (#2.advancing my career) etc. Along with passive incomes Ive set up. So besides checking my online bank account twice a month, I dont "do" much in this area. I guess thats not where my heart is at the moment.

All in all Im happy that Im in sync with my heart. I feel like Im having lots of fun. Maybe I will put more time and action in connecting with people. just to turn it up a notch.

[Keith]

So what you're saying is: If you put yourself into a compassionate state of mind then write a priorities list, those priorities are likelier than usual to be compassionate?

Shocking.

[danas]

I had the urge to get up at 1 am and print out the article and reread it.
Because I knew there was a great message here.
I didnt get some things the first time.

This may well be the best article yet! Another life changing tool.

Ill write more about my thoughts later. Just wanted to say this now.

[munish]

Originally Posted by danas

This may well be the best article yet! Another life changing tool.

I agree.

[MariconesUnited]

I had to scroll down a few paragraphs to make any kind of connection with your title Steve. That's not a problem with your writing usually. For me, it's a hurdle I have to get through to read the whole thing. I wonder if other people are having the same issue. Just some friendly advice for your future writing.

[munish]

Originally Posted by MariconesUnited

I had to scroll down a few paragraphs to make any kind of connection with your title Steve.

Did you get some value from this article?

I think he explained about coherence very well.

[beachfreak]

Hi all, I'm a newbie here. I have read this article and do what Steve said about being in coherence. So I feel relax and good and just want to live and enjoy life. Is that mean I have no passion to have it on my priority list?

[MariconesUnited]

Originally Posted by munish

Did you get some value from this article?

I think he explained about coherence very well.

No. The structure put me off so I didn't finish it. That was my point. Hoping to get around that at some point as there seems to be some good advice in it regardless.

[Sutanimulli]

Hi Steve,

Long-time reader, first-time poster.

I really liked the blog post, and was particularly fascinated by the information about there being 40,000 brain-like neurons in the heart. I wondered however what your source for this information is? I Googled it using many different search phrases but the only sites I found were other blogs making the same claim (with no source cited) and people asking on forums whether it is true or not. There was a lack of scientific data on the issue.

Since the article does seem to hinge somewhat on this information, could you shed some light on it please?

Many thanks,

Edd

[Ishh]

Originally Posted by Sutanimulli

I really liked the blog post, and was particularly fascinated by the information about there being 40,000 brain-like neurons in the heart. I wondered however what your source for this information is? I Googled it

I was trying to know more about it... I found this :
Your Second Brain is in your Heart - Believe Your Emotions

After reading this I remembered a movie I saw in which Heart of a young lady was transplanted to another lady of about same age when the donor died in an accident... The when this lady met the donor's husband she fell in love with him... May be its not relevant but I just shared...

[Sutanimulli]

Originally Posted by Ishh

I was trying to know more about it... I found this :
Your Second Brain is in your Heart - Believe Your Emotions

I took a look. It's just speculation and hearsay again though.

[slypg]

I like this post very much, because I'm a fan of the teachings of Abraham Hicks. What Steve's writing here is nearly the same as Abraham teaches when they say: Get into the vortex. Get into alignment with your inner being, with source itself. Feel better as much as you can.

It's the same system, you get the same results, it's just differently called. Like someone already mentioned Tony Robbins, who teaches "the power of your emotional state", there are endless ways to explain this.

Steve, you've chose one of them and it's valid and great. You've written a nice and clear article. I'm curious if you have chosen the "scientific" perspective deliberately, or if that's just what you've felt inspired to do. Because you've could have written it from the perspective of spirituality, too.

Both perspectives are completely valid, each one is just more acceptable for different kinds of people. That's what I love about it: the message is universal and for everyone understandable.

[FormerSkeptic]

This article really hit my life situation. I really need to focus on financial part of my life, it's clear it needs to be a priority.
My emotions are totally against it though. It's driving me insane. I've been struggling with this for a year now, really focusing on financial, but it goes downhill, while other areas of my life seem to improve...

After reading the article, I still don't get it what to do.
HOW DO I MAKE IT PRIORITY?
How do I tell my emotions to stop sabotaging me and align them with my logic, where it's clear money should be priority.

Or the only solution is to let go of logic, and follow my heart? Even if it leads me to being homeless?

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh

[MariconesUnited]

Originally Posted by FormerSkeptic

This article really hit my life situation. I really need to focus on financial part of my life, it's clear it needs to be a priority.
My emotions are totally against it though. It's driving me insane. I've been struggling with this for a year now, really focusing on financial, but it goes downhill, while other areas of my life seem to improve...

After reading the article, I still don't get it what to do.
HOW DO I MAKE IT PRIORITY?
How do I tell my emotions to stop sabotaging me and align them with my logic, where it's clear money should be priority.

Or the only solution is to let go of logic, and follow my heart? Even if it leads me to being homeless?

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh

I think you need to investigate your emotions. Take some time to meditate on it or reflect upon it if you can. Emotions are just the tip of the iceberg. I think what's truly stopping you has to do with beliefs. Beliefs have the strongest impact yet they are very hard to change. Try to think of limiting beliefs about money...Where did they come from? What experiences have meaningfully sculpted your perception on money? A very common block among Christians (don't know if you are) is Jesus saying there's less chance of a rich man going to heaven than there is of a camel going through a needle head. See if it applies. Best of luck!!

[cheesedip1]

What uses does logic have in the world? Besides solving math problems, for instance?

[MariconesUnited]

Originally Posted by cheesedip1

What uses does logic have in the world? Besides solving math problems, for instance?

Logic is an important foundational tool for rational critical thought. It's one of the fundamentals of scientific discovery. Everything that science has brought us has been conceived and elaborated upon using logic. It's one of the best tools for dispelling erroneous thinking, superstition and baseless beliefs.

A good understanding of the fundamentals of the principles of logic does a lot to protect the individual from fraud, abuse, sophism, manipulation and so on as well.

[ksirminoh]

Not sure about you, but I lived reading this post. For some reason, it made me happy and I wanted to share it with everyone! I will do that later in my blog, when I get to my Coherence Trial in 2012

[kat]

Originally Posted by Sutanimulli

Hi Steve,

Long-time reader, first-time poster.

I really liked the blog post, and was particularly fascinated by the information about there being 40,000 brain-like neurons in the heart. I wondered however what your source for this information is? I Googled it using many different search phrases but the only sites I found were other blogs making the same claim (with no source cited) and people asking on forums whether it is true or not. There was a lack of scientific data on the issue.

Since the article does seem to hinge somewhat on this information, could you shed some light on it please?

Many thanks,

Edd

I expect he probably got the information from heartmath.org, which he's previously mentioned. emWave Self-Regulation Technology Theoretical Basis says "In the new field of neurocardiology, for example, scientists have discovered that the heart possesses its own intrinsic nervous system—a network of nerves so functionally sophisticated as to earn the description of a "heart brain." Containing over 40,000 neurons, this "little brain" gives the heart the ability to independently sense, process information, make decisions, and even to demonstrate a type of learning and memory. In essence, it appears that the heart is truly an intelligent system."

I haven't dug up a paper with the exact count, but you can read about topics like "Cardiac sympathetic neuronal imaging using PET" on pubmed: Cardiac sympathetic neuronal imag... [Eur J Nucl Med Mol Imaging. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI