Give it up to the... Lights-a-Darkworker?!

[VacMan]

Hey everyone,

I'll keep this short!

I'm having troubles coming to terms with the lightworker concept.

I understand that when a darkworker gives to someone, it is out of the intent of eventual personal gain.

This is what I don't understand:

I KNOW that when I help/give to people/organizations whether it be time/money/energy etc. that I will unquestionably get personal gain out of the deal, it's just the way the world works.

SO by knowing this, when I give to someone it is very hard to not simultaneously think of the benefit to them as well as the benefit to me.

Does this realization of both sides of giving/receiving cancel each other out?

Basically, it is very difficult for me to give, purely to give, without also being excited, or just simply knowing that that will come back to benefit me.

This seems like a conflict of interest.

Or is it simply awareness?

Thanks!

[Sam988]

Higher awareness darkworking/lightworking are very similar indeed.



"I KNOW that when I help/give to people/organizations whether it be time/money/energy etc. that I will unquestionably get personal gain out of the deal, it's just the way the world works.

SO by knowing this, when I give to someone it is very hard to not simultaneously think of the benefit to them as well as the benefit to me."


Which kind of benefit do you mean?

[VacMan]

Sam988,

Thanks for your reply!!

In response to your question: "Which kind of benefit do you mean?"

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The benefit is relative to the situation.

For example, usually when giving money, I find that I get money.

If I give time I get back time.

Give advice I get back advice.

I don't always get back from where I originally gave to.

And sometimes what I get back is simply a good feeling.

Regardless, I never give anything without getting something in return. Even if wasn’t "giving to get" in the first place.

[ethereal]

For a lightworker, giving is not a means to an end, it is the end.

You give for the sake of giving, because giving is joyful in and of itself. You don't give to get, the giving is already the getting.

You don't help others in order to feel good, helping others naturally comes to you because that is who you are, and being who you are feels good. Not being who you are (i.e. not being helpful/loving to others) would make you feel bad.

There are some people who help others in order to feel good, and I guess you can call them "low-level lightworkers" who are still working on their own issues of "fixing" others and "saving" the world.

Don't feel guilty about getting personal gain from helping others, it's coming from an unconscious belief system that guilt and suffering for what is good will garner approval from others/God, i.e. the whole sackcloth and ashes and penance thing from the Old Testament. However, don't make personal gain as a priority either, not because it's "bad" but because it strengthens the personal ego as an individual self that benefits from personal gain, which will delay the enlightenment process. This is what I see as a flaw in the darkworker perspective.

[VacMan]

ethereal,

Thanks for your response!!

See... this is where I get confused though...

I feel like I'm leaning more towards a lightworker because I truly enjoy helping others and giving, contributing, etc.

I enjoy it when others succeed.

But therein lies part of the problem.

It seems like its easier to come to grips with the darkworker giving model.

You can give, and be happy with getting, because you know it's a natural byproduct and the more you give the more you get! So it's double the fun!

On the other side of the coin, the lightworker model almost makes me feel weird or uncertain about giving because when I give (in the lightworker model) I'm thinking... "Well... you're giving just to give... no other thoughts, don't think about what you might get out of this..."

This following may be a bad analogy, but when giving in the lightworker model, I feel like I'm walking on the ground trying to get from point A to point B and trying to ignore the ground because the ground isn't my focus... getting to point B is the focus. So I'm ignoring the ground even though it exists regardless.

Do you see what I'm saying?

[ethereal]

Yeah, I know what you mean. Which is why I see darkworking as just a stage in a lightworker's evolution.

While our own needs and issues haven't been fully resolved yet, there are still things/results we want to get and so we feel happy and joyful to get and well as to give. It isn't to say that this is bad and selfless lightworking is good (which is a dangerous and untrue stereotype), it just means to accept where you are at your own evolution of consciousness. Perhaps you legitimately do require certain needs in order to function at your best. Or perhaps those needs are mental attachments to a certain way of being that can be relinquished in order to have more freedom and happiness.

It doesn't mean to deny the fruits of giving and pretend they don't exist, or that you don't really want them. It means that you are at the point of being already complete and nonattached, and whether you get anything or not doesn't really matter because you don't need things to be one way or another. Getting anything back is basically a bonus on top. You are complete within yourself, in fact you're overflowing with love and abundance and wisdom, and giving to others is just a natural consequence. But until you get to that point, don't try to give give give and avoid getting anything, which is lightworking syndrome as Steve points out

It's a subtle difference, and I think it's more easily explained as a beingness rather than a doingness. You help others because you are that to begin with. You value friendliness, helpfulness, sharing and affirming the joy of existence of others. Whether you get anything out of it is really irrelevant in your choice to help people. You feel good and happy already, and helping others is only an expression of that, not a condition for your happiness.

I think you are already well on your way to being a lightworker if you're even worrying about this point, so I think there is no need to worry about it It isn't that you choose to be a lightworker and try to renounce any benefits to giving, it's just that the things you want to get naturally decreases as you evolve spiritually, until there really is nothing you need, because you are unconditionally happy and loving no matter where or what conditions you are in. You can get something and be just as happy as when you don't get anything, which is what selfless lightworking really means.

Dr. Hawkins advises to "become that which you value." Be that quality of love, willingness, integrity, joy, etc., and whatever actions coming from that state of being will naturally be right, joyous, and good for all, including yourself. It's the Be-Do-Have paradigm vs the Have-Do-Be paradigm.