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| infinitethoughts, You said: "It removes them from your reality, not the reality." "Whose" reality would you say "the" reality belongs to? |
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| Are there any beliefs, perceptions, or thoughts that every single conscious being has in common? |
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| well we all have reality in common, all our senses etc. The only individual thing is your opinions and judgement and what you see in the mirror. Ofcourse you can manifest the type of experience of TEH REALITY you want. But if it rains in your city, you cant be walking on the street and the rain wont hit you. EXCEPT if you walk under some roof/umberella, but again: i learned this in kindergarden... nthn new |
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I exist. This is the only certainty I have. Do you agree?... |
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| absvan, The example you used makes my life quite easy If I believe in ghosts - no matter how strong the belief is - they will *not* exist! In other words, existence is not determined by my beliefs. My beliefs can either be accurate or inaccurate. I can believe that I'm the son of Zeus but this won't increase my kinship with him. Consequently, this is why fear of the boogie man is considered an irrational fear, because it is a fear of something that does not exist. Again, you're playing on the word "reality." What I'm saying is that my beliefs are my beliefs, and not a "reality" (even if they are accurate, they only lead me to understand reality. They are not a "reality" in and of themselves). infinitethoughts, You're mixing two ideas together. You're assuming that just because something exists, it should belong to somebody. It doesn't have to. Existence and ownership are two separate things. And no matter how many people agree on one belief it does not make it true. I don't care how many people are racist, racism is wrong. Frans, I'm afraid I disagree. Why is this the *only* certainty you have? Why are you denying the validity of your senses, when there is no reason to deny them? If you *do* begin with this as a first step, then you are likely to conclude that subjective reality is the only possible conclusion. It's like me saying: "Let's begin by accepting that God exists. Do you believe in God?" |
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| The only certainty you have is that you exist and then you ask someone presumably who doesn't exist wether they agree. I agree that you exist only because I intend your exsitance. Max Power "The only power that exists" |
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When I speak about SR, I always advise the reader to read and interpret my text as if he (the reader) would have written it. If I write: "I exist. This is the only certainty I have", you should see yourself as the "I" (the subject) in that text. Did I make myself clear? |
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I can only perceive reality through my body's senses. As my senses cannot register everything, and as not everything what I perceive is "real", I can safely assume that I cannot see reality "as it is". With the filtered input from my senses, I construct a mental image of reality. What I call "reality" is only a mental image, a perception of reality. This personal perception of reality is per definition a "subjective reality". So, you'll never know whether your senses give you true information about reality. Can you give me other "certainties" you have? Last edited by Frans : 05-17-2007 at 12:10 PM. |
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I think you need to pay attention to the idea I am trying to convey rather than the words. I am using the word "reality" accurately. I dont see any ambiguity here. Your beliefs are your beliefs where they are accurate are not. - Yes I agree. But how can you say that your beliefs wont influence your reality. I am not talking about wishful thinking here but a strong belief. If you believe in ghosts, you may or may not see a ghost....and thats not what I am trying to tell you. What I mean is in your life you would take actions with the idea that ghosts exist. So you would do stuff that people to to either ward off or invite ghosts. If you here a strange noise or see a shadow in your bedroom in the night, you might first think if its a ghost........Do you get my point here. Do you truly believe that you are the son of Zeus without an ounce of doubt???? If you do then you will see things happening in your life thats congruent with what you believe. I am not saying that someone will give you a certificate of proof or all the greece will worship you........In fact I dont know what will happen.....you will experience it because it will happen to you in your reality. But our beliefs can change too based on the experience/events that happen to us. |
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| People don't poof out of existence when you stop thinking about them. People aren't merely in existence for your enjoyment. People think. People feel. People are real. - Do these statements undermine subjective reality? Or can subjective reality still be valid if the believer recognizes that these statements are true? |
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| Sure infinite why are you on this forum, you are Bill Gates arent you? I mean, clearly if your God like that you would be richest man on earth ATLEAST. You'd not even have internet cause it would be waste of time. Your the kind of guy that can walk into the street in rushhour and not get hit, you can just think of "oh I need a couple hundred millions so I can buy Empire Statebuilding. Cause in REALITY those things are easier than dodging the rain without anything over your head when it rains |
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| Reading through all these posts i realize that SR is so confusing that people get completely confused trying to interpret it. I think the SR idea is just a blurred way of thinking thats subject to each one's interpretation. If you think SR is this or that, great, thats not wrong or right, just interpret it the way it will work best for you in your life and thats it. No one is going to learn anything discussing it, because, as i just said, each one's point of view is different and theres no right or wrong point of view. May each one of us interpret it the way it fits best for ourselves, and THATS IT. No trying to convince others of whatever... |
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If you really want to understand SR then read this http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...ve-reality-qa/ line by line. Its explained so clearly. Another link which will help you with an introduction to SR Nonduality - Rising Above Illusion and Identification |
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The big problem with understanding SR is in the fact that most people identify consciousness as their physicality, their mind, their body. You are real, I am real, the world is real, does it all flash out of existance when I'm not there observing it?? That has to be possible, as crazy as it may sound because it's unprovable that it doesn't. Consciousness is the container for everything. Ego's, avatars, are all inside the container. For all of us to be conscious together means we are all the container operating the illusion together, while that also may be possible, it's not the structure of SR. I can never know if anyone else other than myself is conscious, telling me you are is hardly proof, all I know for sure is that I consider myself to be conscious and aware right now and that places everything else in doubt. The secret here is not to argue who is conscious (even though it was my initial question, which I realise is now redundant) the important part is to consider if SR can help you in your quest for answers and knowledge. SR is useless if it's of no assistance to your life, if it's unfathomable then it's not helpful. Max "You can wake up tomorrow and believe whatever you want to believe" Morpheous to Neo Last edited by Max Power : 05-17-2007 at 10:47 PM. |
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Thats just what im trying to communicate. People should use SR immediatly after they have been explained the idea, and not waste their days trying to understand other people's point of view of it. Just use it and interpret it the way it will be best for your life. |


